Sugar bowl sites and sugar babies

[LuvBoobies]

Make it up and do it twice one week. I'd usually pre plan and do that before Aunt Flow came to visit.

First one lasted 2 months then she started flaking and forgetting our appt. Over sleep, etc.

Last one I did was due to the fact her loser bf she picked was lazy and wouldn't work, got her into trouble.

Burglary. Busted. But that was a fun weekly arrangement for over a year and half.

I have two UTR's currently visiting Vandalia. I miss fucking them. I do know from experience, when they get out usually I get a lot of ass of next to nothing at first until they fall back into the habits which got them there in the first place. Personally I kinda enjoy fucking a woman with an ankle bracelet LOL.

[Hadley6]

Anyone got any info on her? I'm pretty sure she's on SA as well. I'm not on SA but have seen her on SB.

[LeaveMWet]

Yes. This is a very interesting approach makes sense. What would you do if one or the other of you wast not able to make it for one or more of the weeks?

In that case, according to my understanding your arrangement, she would not get her full monthly rent for that month?

Make it up and do it twice one week. I'd usually pre plan and do that before Aunt Flow came to visit.

First one lasted 2 months then she started flaking and forgetting our appt. Over sleep, etc.

Last one I did was due to the fact her loser bf she picked was lazy and wouldn't work, got her into trouble.

Burglary. Busted. But that was a fun weekly arrangement for over a year and half.

[Henry777]

I did this a few time, many years back when SA choices were more reliable and not out to suck your wallet dry.

I would get a couple meets in before I'd ask about doing a weekly arrangement for a set monthly budget. Usually enough to make a car payment of rent. Aggressive on an amount that worked for her and gave me a discount. I would break it up into payments as we met. She would have guaranteed cash flow to look forward to. Plus protecting me if things went south and started flaking. Which will always happen in time. 2 yrs is the longest one that worked out. Drugs then a felony convictions seem to put a damper on these. LOL Had 2 that ended that way.

Yes. This is a very interesting approach makes sense. What would you do if one or the other of you wast not able to make it for one or more of the weeks?

In that case, according to my understanding your arrangement, she would not get her full monthly rent for that month?

[EliasJay]

Hannah (Union) and Holly (Stl) are both attempting to sell pictures and videos. Nichole (Arnold) has been very difficult to communicate with. She wanted to meet immediately, then we scheduled to meet at a different time and she stopped responding. A day later she apologize and wanted to schedule a make up and then stopped responding again. Will likely block number and move on.

[LeaveMWet]

I agree with you 100%. I would not pay a penny ahead of time. It's gone for good, no matter how nice they are. That's how money works unfortunately, nothing to do with loyalty or honesty. Never ever front the money.

I did this a few time, many years back when SA choices were more reliable and not out to suck your wallet dry.

I would get a couple meets in before I'd ask about doing a weekly arrangement for a set monthly budget. Usually enough to make a car payment of rent. Aggressive on an amount that worked for her and gave me a discount. I would break it up into payments as we met. She would have guaranteed cash flow to look forward to. Plus protecting me if things went south and started flaking. Which will always happen in time. 2 yrs is the longest one that worked out. Drugs then a felony convictions seem to put a damper on these. LOL Had 2 that ended that way.

[Koompa]

Anybody got any info on her. Thanks for your help.

She is gtg and reasonable, can host but out in the boonies, nice body for someone her age.

[Whaler]

Anybody got any info on her. Thanks for your help.

[MiningForGold]

I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

I don't understand the tone of your message. This is a forum for everyone to discuss their opinions and experiences, you seem to believe it's like an algorithm that only you have discovered or implemented. There is no right or wrong, it's general feedback based on personal situations.

Your "free of charge advice" is nothing but an arrogant dissertation of how you know everything about everything. The best statement you made is "I normally don't participate in these forums. " I'd stick to that.

[EliasJay]

Thank you. It seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to justify a known bad idea.

I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

[TampaBanker]

Well this has been amazing feedback!! Thanks for all the input. Loved the comment on "vanilla".

Let me summarize what I am hearing:

1. It can work, but is more rare.

2. Need to have tried it first with perhaps say 4-8 ppm prior so you kind of know what the expectations are and you do not get tired of each other and build up trust.

3. The visits per month should be perhaps fewer than what you might ideally want. This is because it is hard to go back to a fewer visits per month. Also, if there is an unexpected problem with making the visit, you do not.

Have the issue of accumulating missed visits that need to be made up somehow.

4. The allowance can include a "quantity discount". This is not the best phrase but in essence like all retail, if there is more business being done, costs are lower, more quantity of product purchased, then there is a discount.

5. The man looses control. He hopes to gain a better relationship where the two can focus on enjoyment of each other and girl may like him better and treat him well because she feels more secure and can budget her expenses with much less stress.

6. You absolutely must have trust. If not. Then hold off.

Have I missed anything?

I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

[Henry777]

Well this has been amazing feedback!! Thanks for all the input. Loved the comment on "vanilla".

Let me summarize what I am hearing:

1. It can work, but is more rare.

2. Need to have tried it first with perhaps say 4-8 ppm prior so you kind of know what the expectations are and you do not get tired of each other and build up trust.

3. The visits per month should be perhaps fewer than what you might ideally want. This is because it is hard to go back to a fewer visits per month. Also, if there is an unexpected problem with making the visit, you do not.

Have the issue of accumulating missed visits that need to be made up somehow.

4. The allowance can include a "quantity discount". This is not the best phrase but in essence like all retail, if there is more business being done, costs are lower, more quantity of product purchased, then there is a discount.

5. The man looses control. He hopes to gain a better relationship where the two can focus on enjoyment of each other and girl may like him better and treat him well because she feels more secure and can budget her expenses with much less stress.

6. You absolutely must have trust. If not. Then hold off.

Have I missed anything?

[MiningForGold]

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

Here's my experience:

It doesn't generally work when you start out monthly instead of PPM. You need to know how you're going to get along, the idea is it's going to last for some time, certainly more than a month. How many times have you been with someone, and by the fourth meeting you're regretting it or want to move on? Like anything, once they have the money up front the enthusiasm on their part tends to decline, that's reflected in the girl proactively trying to schedule a meeting, or scheduling in general. Also, it's reflected in the enthusiasm when you're together. If you're doing a monthly from the beginning, my suggestion is plan on 2 meets a month for a $ that you feel is very reasonable. You can always increase the monthly if you're happy, it's really hard to decrease the monthly. It's like a retainer for consulting work. You provide a client a reduced hourly rate for a guarantee of a set monthly amount. If you charge $200 an hour, you charge $150 an hour for a guarantee of 30 hours a month for example. If you agree on $300 a meet, it should be something like $1,000 a month for 4 times a month.

It works when you've test driven the car before you buy it. I always say I'm open to monthly, but start with PPM. I've had one monthly that lasted two years, and we eventually became "vanilla" meaning we met without any compensation, and still meet several years later, because we are into each other. We don't meet as often, but we're true FWB. The problem with monthly is there are delusional women who believe "someone will take care of me" meaning they'll get thousands a month and not have to work. This is all supply and demand. There are hundreds of women who want monthly amounts that are far above what the market will bear, there are very few men who find them attractive or special enough, and they have enough money that they can send them thousands a month. The younger they are, the more they're completely disconnected from reality. I have a saying, every year there's a new crop of 21 year olds. Nothing special about your pussy, there's millions more just like it.

[ChrisHansen92]

The SA site has useless information and blogs. It is simply used to tempt / encourage women to join. It fills their heads that it's going to be a Pretty Woman type fantasy relationship and they are not really prostitutes. It tells to fill out their Gift Wishlist's. Most of us are not real Sugar Daddy's (myself included), we chose a different venue to find women that want to make money and provide sex to earn it. I know the difference between young college sorority girl doing this for the first time vs a beat up junkie with a pimp staying in a filthy notel and you are the 8th customer that day. That's why we pay to be on the site. I do not prepay at a fine restaurant nor do I on Seeking. There is no financial incentive to do this. You have lost any leverage and control of the arrangement if you do this. Would they see you a full month providing you pleasure waiting to be paid at the end of the month? Nope. Any girls that start with a weekly / monthly number I break it down into meetings / dates / sex. I simply tell them I agree to that allowance but would like to pay them each get together at first until trust is established. To date that absolute "trust" has never been established for me.

You asked about sharing some recent success. Most I keep to myself for obvious reasons like many others on here do. If you read my previous posts I have shared a few good leads. If you have good solid information and details to exchange you can always DM me.

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

[EliasJay]

You listed several reasons without your post for why it's not a good idea, and those are likely the reasons many folks have not or will not do the monthly allowance. You've described several situations where the person giving the allowance is likely to take a loss, and most types of remediation or recourse available aren't wise. Ten people could get on here and tell me ten different experiences with monthly allowances that worked out great, but I still wouldn't be interested. I know there are rare circumstances where some men make some deposits to see some women, but generally it's accepted that this is a scam or bad idea. A monthly allowance is a deposit, and likewise probably a bad idea.

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?