Sugar bowl sites and sugar babies

[Whaler]

Anybody got any info on her. Thanks for your help.

[MiningForGold]

I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

I don't understand the tone of your message. This is a forum for everyone to discuss their opinions and experiences, you seem to believe it's like an algorithm that only you have discovered or implemented. There is no right or wrong, it's general feedback based on personal situations.

Your "free of charge advice" is nothing but an arrogant dissertation of how you know everything about everything. The best statement you made is "I normally don't participate in these forums. " I'd stick to that.

[EliasJay]

Thank you. It seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to justify a known bad idea.

I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

[TampaBanker]

Well this has been amazing feedback!! Thanks for all the input. Loved the comment on "vanilla".

Let me summarize what I am hearing:

1. It can work, but is more rare.

2. Need to have tried it first with perhaps say 4-8 ppm prior so you kind of know what the expectations are and you do not get tired of each other and build up trust.

3. The visits per month should be perhaps fewer than what you might ideally want. This is because it is hard to go back to a fewer visits per month. Also, if there is an unexpected problem with making the visit, you do not.

Have the issue of accumulating missed visits that need to be made up somehow.

4. The allowance can include a "quantity discount". This is not the best phrase but in essence like all retail, if there is more business being done, costs are lower, more quantity of product purchased, then there is a discount.

5. The man looses control. He hopes to gain a better relationship where the two can focus on enjoyment of each other and girl may like him better and treat him well because she feels more secure and can budget her expenses with much less stress.

6. You absolutely must have trust. If not. Then hold off.

Have I missed anything?

I've watched this unfold with a bit of humor. My apologies, I don't often contribute to this part of the forum as I try to develop good relationships with the ladies I meet from SA and keep them for my greedy self!

No offense, but your summary sounds as if you just took the HR-approved course on active listening. My free-of-charge advice:

1) Not "more rare" but exceedingly unlikely to ever happen in this universe. This almost never works, even with men like myself who may date a SB for 1-2 years!

2) 4, 8, or 20 visits you can still get ghosted the instant she needs a bit more money, is moving without telling you, or finds another loser to date who "truly loves her. " Stop using the phrase "building trust. " This comes from Reddit, etc. And means nothing to the men on this site.

3) This statement seems logically incomplete. You are overthinking this issue.

4) Again, overthinking it. A SB (typically Millennial or Z) needs constant affirmation AND likely increases to allowance every 2-3 months. You are trying to project your vision of a negotiation to someone who does not communicate in this fashion.

5) He may hope to gain this if he is a perennial (and oft-disappointed) optimist. These relationships do NOT work in this way.

6) Trust is the color of death.

Best wishes, you have already decided to pursue this project. Let us know how it works for you in six months or so.

[Henry777]

Well this has been amazing feedback!! Thanks for all the input. Loved the comment on "vanilla".

Let me summarize what I am hearing:

1. It can work, but is more rare.

2. Need to have tried it first with perhaps say 4-8 ppm prior so you kind of know what the expectations are and you do not get tired of each other and build up trust.

3. The visits per month should be perhaps fewer than what you might ideally want. This is because it is hard to go back to a fewer visits per month. Also, if there is an unexpected problem with making the visit, you do not.

Have the issue of accumulating missed visits that need to be made up somehow.

4. The allowance can include a "quantity discount". This is not the best phrase but in essence like all retail, if there is more business being done, costs are lower, more quantity of product purchased, then there is a discount.

5. The man looses control. He hopes to gain a better relationship where the two can focus on enjoyment of each other and girl may like him better and treat him well because she feels more secure and can budget her expenses with much less stress.

6. You absolutely must have trust. If not. Then hold off.

Have I missed anything?

[MiningForGold]

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

Here's my experience:

It doesn't generally work when you start out monthly instead of PPM. You need to know how you're going to get along, the idea is it's going to last for some time, certainly more than a month. How many times have you been with someone, and by the fourth meeting you're regretting it or want to move on? Like anything, once they have the money up front the enthusiasm on their part tends to decline, that's reflected in the girl proactively trying to schedule a meeting, or scheduling in general. Also, it's reflected in the enthusiasm when you're together. If you're doing a monthly from the beginning, my suggestion is plan on 2 meets a month for a $ that you feel is very reasonable. You can always increase the monthly if you're happy, it's really hard to decrease the monthly. It's like a retainer for consulting work. You provide a client a reduced hourly rate for a guarantee of a set monthly amount. If you charge $200 an hour, you charge $150 an hour for a guarantee of 30 hours a month for example. If you agree on $300 a meet, it should be something like $1,000 a month for 4 times a month.

It works when you've test driven the car before you buy it. I always say I'm open to monthly, but start with PPM. I've had one monthly that lasted two years, and we eventually became "vanilla" meaning we met without any compensation, and still meet several years later, because we are into each other. We don't meet as often, but we're true FWB. The problem with monthly is there are delusional women who believe "someone will take care of me" meaning they'll get thousands a month and not have to work. This is all supply and demand. There are hundreds of women who want monthly amounts that are far above what the market will bear, there are very few men who find them attractive or special enough, and they have enough money that they can send them thousands a month. The younger they are, the more they're completely disconnected from reality. I have a saying, every year there's a new crop of 21 year olds. Nothing special about your pussy, there's millions more just like it.

[ChrisHansen92]

The SA site has useless information and blogs. It is simply used to tempt / encourage women to join. It fills their heads that it's going to be a Pretty Woman type fantasy relationship and they are not really prostitutes. It tells to fill out their Gift Wishlist's. Most of us are not real Sugar Daddy's (myself included), we chose a different venue to find women that want to make money and provide sex to earn it. I know the difference between young college sorority girl doing this for the first time vs a beat up junkie with a pimp staying in a filthy notel and you are the 8th customer that day. That's why we pay to be on the site. I do not prepay at a fine restaurant nor do I on Seeking. There is no financial incentive to do this. You have lost any leverage and control of the arrangement if you do this. Would they see you a full month providing you pleasure waiting to be paid at the end of the month? Nope. Any girls that start with a weekly / monthly number I break it down into meetings / dates / sex. I simply tell them I agree to that allowance but would like to pay them each get together at first until trust is established. To date that absolute "trust" has never been established for me.

You asked about sharing some recent success. Most I keep to myself for obvious reasons like many others on here do. If you read my previous posts I have shared a few good leads. If you have good solid information and details to exchange you can always DM me.

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

[EliasJay]

You listed several reasons without your post for why it's not a good idea, and those are likely the reasons many folks have not or will not do the monthly allowance. You've described several situations where the person giving the allowance is likely to take a loss, and most types of remediation or recourse available aren't wise. Ten people could get on here and tell me ten different experiences with monthly allowances that worked out great, but I still wouldn't be interested. I know there are rare circumstances where some men make some deposits to see some women, but generally it's accepted that this is a scam or bad idea. A monthly allowance is a deposit, and likewise probably a bad idea.

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

[Parboil]

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

I have successfully done monthly allowance in a relationship where we really connect with each other. When I feel she is eager to be with me and perhaps make up any lost days. Or has no problem when we have extra days. An allowance provides security in the form of predictably. She can budget for it and so can I. I prefer this as it effectively takes money out of the equation as something on our minds when we are together. The difficulty is often related to the unexpected. If you are strapped for the cash an allowance may not be for you. If it is a small thing for the ledger to be out of balance. And she is worth it. An allowance can elevate a relationship.

[Henry777]

Thank you for the feedback. The good news is that supposedly you can see the girl whenever you want to. The bad is that if for whatever reason, you miss a week or a visit (say you kind of had an approximate number per month), once that is missed pretty soon the next month comes up and they are real clear they want the money on the first of the month. So then you never get caught up. Maybe you do get caught up if you take a trip with them somewhere.

It seems unbelievable, we have some of the most experienced SA SD here on the site and NOBODY it seems has done a lasting monthly allowance? Yet that is all the SA site seems to talk about. They highly discourage you talking ppm to the girls or them talking ppm to you.

DO you guys negotiate or talk about what happens if there are visits that are missed? How are these made up? And what happens is you say have 3 meetings set up for the month and get into some disagreement after the first meeting. Do you guys negotiate that they owe you the remainder?

There has to be somebody doing a monthly and has worked it out?

[Henry777]

Some / most of you guys are married. And need discretion. So you may prefer KIK and Snap and other apps. I will not waste my time with them. I ask them to download a free texting app. I will not waste time with them if they will not give out a number to text. 99% percent of the time if they will only Kik, Snap or no real number to text and exchange pic's it ends up being a dead end and waste of time for me. This month (joined 11/30) has been amazing!

I agree Chris. Looking back. I cannot remember an SA date every working out on Snap or Kik. When you get their number direct or intermediary texting app. That is your best chance of success!!

Would love to hear about some of your recent successes. Now the hunting is good because the girls want spending money for the holiday snd tuition bills are showing up for next semester!

[GoldMiner]

I don't know about anyone else, but I would not recommend babyyykaykayy. Trust me, you don't want to draw her problem to YOUR problem.

[ChrisHansen92]

Some / most of you guys are married. And need discretion. So you may prefer KIK and Snap and other apps. I will not waste my time with them. I ask them to download a free texting app. I will not waste time with them if they will not give out a number to text. 99% percent of the time if they will only Kik, Snap or no real number to text and exchange pic's it ends up being a dead end and waste of time for me. This month (joined 11/30) has been amazing!

I'd been talking on and off with her for several months. First she gave me her kik which she rarely looked at, then snap.

We had a meet set up for this afternoon. She doesn't have a car, so it had to be in a park near her house. She tells me shortly before that she doesn't expect anything to happen today.

Not wanting to waste any more time, I bring up the allowance. She'd like $1,000 per month meeting 2-3 times.

Long story short, she wouldn't agree to a ppm less than $500. I offered 350 for 3 times a month to get to the $1000 she's wanting. Then I think she blocked me on snap.

It's a shame. With a little common sense she could have what she wants. It's also too difficult getting something set up to warrant any more time. Maybe someone else has had better luck.

[BoilerWelder]

Just wondering if anybody has ever done a monthly allowance. I am trying to figure out the gotchas.

Having done it around the holidays, it seems there are some pitfalls. I would love to share stories and suggestions and tips.

It worked a couple different times for me for a few months. Both times they started wanting more and more, and not just money. Don't do it.

[Banker89]

I'd been talking on and off with her for several months. First she gave me her kik which she rarely looked at, then snap.

We had a meet set up for this afternoon. She doesn't have a car, so it had to be in a park near her house. She tells me shortly before that she doesn't expect anything to happen today.

Not wanting to waste any more time, I bring up the allowance. She'd like $1,000 per month meeting 2-3 times.

Long story short, she wouldn't agree to a ppm less than $500. I offered 350 for 3 times a month to get to the $1000 she's wanting. Then I think she blocked me on snap.

It's a shame. With a little common sense she could have what she wants. It's also too difficult getting something set up to warrant any more time. Maybe someone else has had better luck.