Rants and Raves

[JeffInnAtlanta]

I've been waiting for someone to put out the numbers for the costs of treating the virus.

Its $13,000 and if they put them on a ventilator it goes up to $39,000.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
A2

Will you guys never stop pretending that this thing kills a lot of people. One of the lucky ones 99.74% overall survival rate. That has been known for over six months and still team lockdown treats it like ebola.

You are missing a point. That pneumonia and Covid pneumonia are not the same. Pneumonia itself will not kill the nurses, doctors, visitors, and anyone else that gets near the patient, and spread. Covid will. So it requires a lot of extra PPE and whatnot to keep the infection from getting out of control. If you have watched TV then you've seen all of the special protocols and precautions they take with Covid patients. So it makes sense that the cost to treat Covid pneumonia is higher that "just pneumonia". It's not just to "jack up the prices".

OK, so of the 8,300,000 (rounding for the sake of making the math simple) let's say that 10% have symptoms that require hospitalization or care of some sort. I have not seen the figures, but let's run with that for now. So 830 K Americans that are symptomatic with Covid, requiring hospitalization. We know that 224 K of those people died. Those people were all in the $39 K bucket. Let's say just to make the math simple that of the 608 K that survived (or have not yet died) that 200 K were the $39 K level (Covid pneumonia on a ventilator), 200 K were the $13 K level (Covid pneumonia not on a ventilator), and the 208 K were the $5 level (they had Covid, but did not contract pneumonia. Not the same as garden variety pneumonia, but it's a figure, probably way low, to plug in). I am sure the "real" numbers are skewed towards the $39 K level and the $5k number for "just Covid" is low but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. So here is the breakdown:

Patients MC cost Total cost.

224000 39000 8,736,000,000.00.

200000 39000 7,800,000,000.00.

200000 13000 2,600,000,000.00.

208000 5000 1,040,000,000.00.

Total.

832000 20,176,000,000. 00.

So the total if every one of the people that contracted Covid and had pneumonia was on Medicare, the bill would be 20 BILLION dollars. I believe that the number of people that were infected are higher, lots of people did not contract pneumonia. But think about this. We have seen reports of people recovering from Covid and they say their bills from intensive care, ventilators, for multiple months, are up to $500,000. That's for extreme cases. So for expediencies' sake lets say the $39 k costs real dollars $200 k, the $13 k level costs $100 K, and the $5 k level really costs $25 k.

Patients Bills Total.

224000 200000 44,800,000,000. 00.

200000 200000 40,000,000,000. 00.

200000 100000 20,000,000,000. 00.

208000 25000 5,200,000,000.00.

Total.

832000 110,000,000,000. 00.

That's a total cost billing of $110 BILLION dollars. Just a low estimate of the healthcare costs. Those are bills that insurance companies have to pay. Those are bills that people without healthcare go home with. If you get sick and get Covid pneumonia without insurance and you're in the hospital for a couple weeks, could you pay a bill in the $100 k range? Could your elderly parents or grandparents? And when the patient can't pay, the hospital has to write off the cost. How much are hospitals going to lose before this Covid epidemic is over in our country? What do we do when hospitals become insolvent and can't pay their staff, their utilities, pay for supplies? The cost is not just lives.

So on top of that. Of the 749 k infected people (or lower, if more people are actually requiring hospitalization) have the virus. Did they get off scot free? I don't think so. If you are lucky, you don't feel like shit for a few days, or weeks. If you are lucky you don't worry about infecting the others in your household, or worry that they are infected too. And the long term health impacts are still coming to light.

If you are diagnosed as positive you are supposed to quarantine for 14 (or so) days. So you lose a couple of weeks pay, at least. The 8. 32 million people (at a minimum) lost two weeks work (80 hours) times the new minimum wage (again, going to the low end) of $15 is $9. 98 Billion That is just a low estimate lost wages. Again, some people don't quarantine, some work from home, some too sick time or vacation, and some lost a lot more that two weeks. But 10 billion dollars is lost income, at a minimum, money that people don't have for bills, or food, and that is not going back into the economy. And taxes on that 10 billion, not going back to states or the fed.

Going back to the 224 K that have died. Yes, some of you said that they had co-morbidities, they were fat, had cancer, diabetes, lung or heart disease. That is true. But they were LIVING WITH THOSE CO-MORBIDITIES. They were ALIVE. They did not have to die this year. They could have lived for years, decades. The virus took years from them, from their families, from people they could have helped, from people that needed them. 224,001 people today, according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/. Some people that died were in their 30's, a few in their 20's. They had DECADES to work, raise kids, love their families, be productive members of society. Who owes them that time? Who owes their families that time? Who owes their kids the car or the college education their parent will not be here to earn the money to pay for?

This just really scratches the surface of the real cost of the Covid-19 virus on the people in our country. I don't expect I am going to change anyone's mind here, but I do hope you think before you hit the SEND button.

All of that, and I didn't call anyone a silly name or talk about anyone's dick. Think about the REAL cost, and grow up. And my personal .02, wear a mask.

[HobbyMan51]

Jeez, you cannot fix stupid!

Exactly. That's why we cannot fix you.

[JeffInnAtlanta]

I've been waiting for someone to put out the numbers for the costs of treating the virus.

Its $13,000 and if they put them on a ventilator it goes up to $39,000.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."
A2

Will you guys never stop pretending that this thing kills a lot of people. One of the lucky ones 99.74% overall survival rate. That has been known for over six months and still team lockdown treats it like ebola.

OK, so of the 8,300,000 (rounding for the sake of making the math simple) let's say that 10% have symptoms that require hospitalization. I doubt that 90% of 8. 3 million Americans that contracted Covid are symptom free, but let's run with that for now. So 830 K Americans that are symptomatic with Covid, requiring some sort of medical care. We know that 224 K of those people died. Those people were all in the $39 K bucket. Let's say just to make the math simple that of the 608 K that survived (or have not yet died) that 200 K were the $39 K level, 200 K were the $13 K level, and the 208 K were the $5 level. I am sure the numbers are skewed towards the $39 K level but I am giving the benefit of the doubt. So here is the breakdown:

Patients MC cost Total cost.

224000 39000 8,736,000,000.00.

200000 39000 7,800,000,000.00.

200000 13000 2,600,000,000.00.

208000 5000 1,040,000,000.00.

832000 20,176,000,000. 00.

[Aaron Hamlet]

The medical profession needs to keep the fear going to make money for the hospitals as they list just about all deaths as Covid while ignoring the real cause of death.

Comparing April thru Oct 2019 to same period in 2020, flu cases are down 98%:

'using the WHO FluNet database from the Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS), I have aggregated all flu cases by week from 2019 by WHO transmission zone (there are 18 of them) and also for 2020. Bottom line: confirmed flu cases were down only about 0. 8% globally the first 8 weeks of the year. But as soon as Covid-19 began spreading, flu cases stopped. They're down YoY 69.4% since week 10 and 97.9% since week 15. '.

[Aaron Hamlet]

Many immunologists, epidemiologists, statisticians, etc. Put China Virus herd immunity somewhere between 20-30% total infected, not the 90% put out by MSM, and have the data to back up their claims. Good information exists in layman terms regarding antibodies, B cells, memory T cells, but you have to work to find it. CNN Fox NYT won't tell you. They want you ignorant and scared.

[Sgt Soros]

No, you don't argue with fools, George. You argue with people who have way more common sense and way less of an agenda than you do. You are a Trump hater and a hater of America. That is all anyone needs to know about you. I wear a mask when required to keep others safe alright, as in safe from my right fist upside their head if they attack me in a store for not wearing a mask. That way I keep them safe and me out of jail. That's a two for one, George. A win-win for everybody. Other than that, the goddam things are not effective and are only used as a means by the left to control and manipulate us, something traitors like you are just fine with.

Jeez, you cannot fix stupid!

[Sgt Lurker]

I believe he has said a lot less people would have died under his watch. Obama and Biden had a pandemic playbook that Trump threw away. Biden's claim has some merit.

He said, if Trump was doing his job, not one single American would have died from the COVID. Which translate, no one would have died if he was president. How stupid.

[HobbyMan51]

Listen dumbass, I don't argue with fools; I try to educate. Please wear your damn mask to keep other people safe!

No, you don't argue with fools, George. You argue with people who have way more common sense and way less of an agenda than you do. You are a Trump hater and a hater of America. That is all anyone needs to know about you. I wear a mask when required to keep others safe alright, as in safe from my right fist upside their head if they attack me in a store for not wearing a mask. That way I keep them safe and me out of jail. That's a two for one, George. A win-win for everybody. Other than that, the goddam things are not effective and are only used as a means by the left to control and manipulate us, something traitors like you are just fine with.

[HobbyMan51]

Do you have an actual citation for this statement?

It wasn't by any chance this CDC -.

"We are not defenseless against COVID-19," said CDC Director Dr. Robert are. Redfield. "Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities. ".

Redfield says one thing, his minions say another. The medical profession needs to keep the fear going to make money for the hospitals as they list just about all deaths as Covid while ignoring the real cause of death. You see, hospitals get an extra three thousand bucks if the death is Covid so they just say everything is Covid. The medical profession has been lying to us ever since this shit started and as usual money is behind it.

Its $13,000 and if they put them on a ventilator it goes up to $39,000.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

And yes, it was fact checked by Snopes

A2

[Admin2]

Herd immunity is a great thing -- as long as you are one of the lucky ones who is still in the remains of the herd once is has become established.

Will you guys never stop pretending that this thing kills a lot of people. One of the lucky ones 99.74% overall survival rate. That has been known for over six months and still team lockdown treats it like ebola.

I know a lot of fucking people, I mean a lot of fucking people and the majority of them are in their 50 or more and I don't know one single person who has died from this. I know some of you do but the 200,000? Explain this, if it's such a killer then why are the same number of people dying of all causes as the last three years. If it's such a killer then where are the extra bodies because as well all know 96% of the 200,000 had 2 or more co morbidities.

When I say where are the extra bodies I mean total deaths of all causes because you can't hide anything in that number. Total dead in 2017,2018, 2019 was around 2,800,000 divided by 365 is 7671 people per day that died of all causes.

As of today in 2020 2,226,473 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm people have died of all causes, divided by 290 (today is the 290th day of the year is 7677 or an average of 6 more which is about 2200 more people or 1% of the 200,000 covid deaths.

Yeah I know, I'm not an epidemiologist, I know that you have to be one to operate a calculator and ask, if this thing is so bad then why have only a few thousand extra people died?

Though here's a number for you and I can't seem to get over it, 9,000,000 extra people are going to starve to death next year so that you guys could have an election year issue. Maybe you can go tell them how lucky they are that you saved them from covid.

[Sgt Soros]

This one. Signed by doctors and researchers who are really smarter than Fauci purports to be. And believe me, this is what is working in Sweden. Aren't we smarter and more resourceful than Sweden? Ok, more resourceful. But we need to go this route and get this thing finished. Unless you are ready for the next chapter in 1984, including more control by the Ministry of Truth.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

A medical report signed off with FAKE names. I wonder if any of our favorite Atlanta message therapists got to sign this report.😀

Sky News found last week that dozens of fake names had signed the document, including Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas.

Another signatory called himself Dr. Harold Shipman, a general practitioner in the United Kingdom. In 1998, a man named Harold Shipman was arrested after killing more than 200 of his patients.*

The declaration was also signed by at least 18 self-declared homeopaths who signed as medical practitioners and 100 therapists, including massage therapists, hypnotherapists and psychotherapists.*

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...etter-12099947

[Niteluvr]

Herd immunity is a great thing -- as long as you are one of the lucky ones who is still in the remains of the herd once is has become established.

We are smarter than that. The human species has evolved enough to realize that we can delay this disease long enough to develop a vaccine rather than sacrifice God-only-knows how many lives waiting for herd immunity to take effect.

Well, some of the human species.

Agree with you. When someone here mentioned the herd immunity topic, I'm assuming they also knew that a solid vaccine should be in place first before this country implements any flavor of a "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" strategy / policy. As a cautious optimistic, I always hope that people consider "balance" in everything they plan and do; however, your last sentence probably states the current mentality more accurately.

Before anyone mentions that the political parties are to blame, the CDC still spews generalised guidelines regarding Covid. Really? They need to do better.

[Niteluvr]

In Missouri, the couple who came out in front of their own house to defend their property, after calling 911 and not getting a response, were indicted by a fixed grand jury by a Soros picked the for charges of brandishing their weapons to present a show of force.

This, despite the fact that Missouri has a Castle doctrine and everyone on that street chanting threats were a criminal trespasser on a private street. BTW, that same the had her prosecutors fix the wife's disabled pistol, so they could file charges. Under Missouri law, a non-working weapon is a prop and not a weapon.


And to let you know what is really coming, the same the dropped all misdemeanor trespass charges against the people who broke down the gate and violated that local ordinance. I like to play out there, but I'm still voting for Trump because I can't trust a Democratic prosecutor. Every damn one of them, are in it for the power and prestige. They don't care about you and will let the hounds on you, and then throw you in the can for protecting yourself.

I agree, it's sickening what happened to a couple simply trying to defend their home, as they could've become victims in a nanosecond.

[Niteluvr]

I live in the city where there is a mask mandate in place. Every store I go in has signs requiring masks. There is 99.9% compliance.

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

Stores are one thing, but have you seen outdoor venues, such as public beaches and private outdoor parties? Masks are all but non-existent.

[Aaron Hamlet]

I live in the city where there is a mask mandate in place. Every store I go in has signs requiring masks. There is 99.9% compliance.

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/