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  1. #38818

    COVID-19 Excuse. Or Not

    Quote Originally Posted by LambdaAb  [View Original Post]
    Covid 19 became a new excuse for some of the Chinese girls now. . . . They now reluctent to do the HE, kissing, FIV, or BBBJ, or any other thing close to GFE. They think it is dangerous to do that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Niteluvr  [View Original Post]
    I agree with most of what you said, but I haven't noticed fewer ladies providing a HJ. Money is always a huge motivator, Covid-19 or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWookie  [View Original Post]
    I also have run into the "I don't want to because of covid" bullshit.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWiseacre  [View Original Post]
    It's reasonable if a provider is taking extra precautions due to COVID. They should be wearing masks and so should mongers. . . . . If your provider has service restrictions that fit those guidelines, then please respect your provider
    Quote Originally Posted by LambdaAb  [View Original Post]
    I agree with you. Girls who wants do HE will do the same, but with the mask on.
    Since the MP's reopened I've had providers wear masks, not wear a mask at all, or something in between. I've had them hand me a mask when I walk in the door. I've had them remove the mask I wore into the spa once we're in the room. Providers have been very open about the level of service they will provide and reluctant to go further than that level. They've run the gamut from no touch down there to full on GFE. It depends on them knowing the risks pertaining to COVID and how it can be transmitted and if they are willing to take that risk. There's so much misinformation and sensationalism surrounding the disease that it makes everyone uncomfortable. Until there is a viable vaccine it'll be hit or miss with this hobby.

  2. #38817
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWookie  [View Original Post]
    I also have run into the "I don't want to because of covid" bullshit. They say that because most guys will cough up the SAME amount of money for less service. It's not easy but call the bluff, tell them you'll pass on extra's and watch how fast they change their mind. They get a portion of the massage, and it takes an hour to make it, yet they make the whole tip and takes but a short time. They wouldn't do the job if it weren't for the extra's. Threatening to pass on the extras gets them to change their mind and make an "exception" really quick.
    I visited China often. For house fee. 6 + . 4 HE, it's more than doubled, comparing to a much better service you can get from China. I can speak a little Chinese, at least in negotiation.

    A typical Chinese massage parlor in China, the cost is about. 4 - . 6 dollar, NO TIP. The parlor has private large room, a bath tub, a bed, free snacks, cool bottle water, hot tea, or soft drink. Girls are young, late 20-mid 30,10+ of girls to choose from. They have a schedule, who is the first to see you will come first. If you don't like her, another will come. Don't be shy or feel bad about changing girls, it is normal in China. There was a time my fav is working in another room. I check all others one by one, but I didn't like any of them. So I just waited in the private large room, lying on bed, watching TV, and having snacks. Topless is a must, breasts on your back, front, and you can play. If you visit often for the same girl, FIV, or take out for $ or $. 5 for a day or night. Most of them will accept, because it's more than her massage earning for a day. Hotels in China are cheap. I pay a 2 star hotel is just. 2 - . 3 a day. 4 star like DoubleTree by Hilton, is only. 6-. 8 a day. Anyway, if there were no COVID 19 thing, I would have been in China for couple of months already.

  3. #38816
    Quote Originally Posted by Niteluvr  [View Original Post]
    I agree with most of what you said, but I haven't noticed fewer ladies providing a HJ. Money is always a huge motivator, Covid-19 or not. Seems a lot of the ladies now want to kiss me on the cheek thru their masks. No more pecks straight on the lips.
    I agree with you. Girls who wants do HE will do the same, but with the mask on. It's a big turn down for me. I have experience with Chinese apartment girl mask on too! I can't be turned on or get hard with mask on. I think I am getting ED because of seeing too many masks. It's getting better now, because I went to agent these 2 weeks. So far, for me, I prefer no Chinese girl for a short time.

  4. #38815

    Negotiations Are Manipulations

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWookie  [View Original Post]
    There is a difference between taking precautions and trying to manipulate customers, we all know masks only help a little unless your wearing a kn95 and with a girl spending an hour not only right on top of you but touching you they know as well as we do if one of you has covid most likely the other has been fully exposed. Lets not try to pretend that they are "less" at risk if they do a little less. Social distancing? Yeah no. Just be honest with yourself about it.
    If you are face down with your face in the breathing hole of a massage table except for 5-10 minutes on the flip, you are very unlikely to get COVID-19. It's a respiratory transmitted virus. Touching you or any part of you during a service is unlikely to transmit the virus unless you are kissing each other. The virus isn't spread by handshakes or handjobs or licking a countertop. It's from breathing in each other's faces.

    As you know, the largest benefit of a mask is primarily to keep high velocity breaths such as sneezing or coughing contained. There's no reason not to wear a mask if you are going to be in a small room with someone for more than 15 minutes. It is a reasonable precaution, and offers significant protection if someone sneezes or coughs.

    A provider can blame COVID on wearing masks but not a HE. Providers are able to manipulate us when we fail to negotiate.

  5. #38814

    Precautions

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWiseacre  [View Original Post]
    It's reasonable if a provider is taking extra precautions due to COVID. They should be wearing masks and so should mongers. And they shouldn't spend more than 5-10 minutes on the flip where they are face to face with our heavy breathing and moaning. If your provider has service restrictions that fit those guidelines, then please respect your provider (some providers live with older people such as parents / relatives and are truly worried about the virus.

    Extras can be easily accomplished while staying relatively safe. Negotiating them is part of the deal, and if you get pushback from a provider then negotiate accordingly.
    There is a difference between taking precautions and trying to manipulate customers, we all know masks only help a little unless your wearing a kn95 and with a girl spending an hour not only right on top of you but touching you they know as well as we do if one of you has covid most likely the other has been fully exposed. Lets not try to pretend that they are "less" at risk if they do a little less. Social distancing? Yeah no. Just be honest with yourself about it. in the "5-10 minutes on the flip where they are face to face with our heavy breathing and moaning" as you refer to it the girl has already caught the virus if the customer had it.

  6. #38813

    COVID Is An Excuse

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWookie  [View Original Post]
    They wouldn't do the job if it weren't for the extra's.
    It's reasonable if a provider is taking extra precautions due to COVID. They should be wearing masks and so should mongers. And they shouldn't spend more than 5-10 minutes on the flip where they are face to face with our heavy breathing and moaning. If your provider has service restrictions that fit those guidelines, then please respect your provider (some providers live with older people such as parents / relatives and are truly worried about the virus.

    Extras can be easily accomplished while staying relatively safe. Negotiating them is part of the deal, and if you get pushback from a provider then negotiate accordingly.

  7. #38812

    Excuses, excuses

    Quote Originally Posted by LambdaAb  [View Original Post]
    Covid 19 became a new excuse for some of the Chinese girls now. I have visited Chinese massage, escort girls recently. They now reluctent to do the HE, kissing, FIV, or BBBJ, or any other thing close to GFE. They think it is dangerous to do that. And they just want your money of the same amount, but less work to do.
    I also have run into the "I don't want to because of covid" bullshit. They say that because most guys will cough up the SAME amount of money for less service. It's not easy but call the bluff, tell them you'll pass on extra's and watch how fast they change their mind. They get a portion of the massage, and it takes an hour to make it, yet they make the whole tip and takes but a short time. They wouldn't do the job if it weren't for the extra's. Threatening to pass on the extras gets them to change their mind and make an "exception" really quick.

  8. #38811
    Quote Originally Posted by Runon99  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the report. Was that $$ house + tip, all in?
    House fee was. 8. Total $$. 8.

  9. #38810
    Quote Originally Posted by LambdaAb  [View Original Post]
    Covid 19 became a new excuse for some of the Chinese girls now. I have visited Chinese massage, escort girls recently. They now reluctent to do the HE, kissing, FIV, or BBBJ, or any other thing close to GFE. They think it is dangerous to do that. And they just want your money of the same amount, but less work to do.
    I haven't had this problem. In the event I do run across a girl that doesn't take a mask off. I have one in my pocket I will put on. Then she will take hers off. Make them comfy with the situation. Some are. Some are not.

    Yestheydo.

  10. #38809

    Lilly

    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyHitter12  [View Original Post]
    Oh yea, and it was $$.
    Thanks for the report. Was that $$ house + tip, all in?

  11. #38808
    Banned Member


    Posts: 13634
    Quote Originally Posted by LambdaAb  [View Original Post]
    Covid 19 became a new excuse for some of the Chinese girls now. I have visited Chinese massage, escort girls recently. They now reluctent to do the HE, kissing, FIV, or BBBJ, or any other thing close to GFE. They think it is dangerous to do that. And they just want your money of the same amount, but less work to do.
    I agree with most of what you said, but I haven't noticed fewer ladies providing a HJ. Money is always a huge motivator, Covid-19 or not. Seems a lot of the ladies now want to kiss me on the cheek thru their masks. No more pecks straight on the lips.

  12. #38807

    Lilly

    Been curious about Lilly Spa for a while, so I visited. There were 3 Latinas to choose from, all 3 were solid. I picked Tiffany, 24 yo and a true spinner. The best body I've ever encountered mongering. No baby damage, fresh (still sore even) store bought tops. Flat stomach, pretty face, in my top 3 parlor girls looks wise ever. Sweet girl, got right to the point. Decent CBJ, straight to Mish. I was kind of a chump, blew a few minutes in, couldn't help it. Would've really like to seen her in CG. Tight box, couldn't get it all the way in though, other than that was a good visit. Will def repeat. Oh yea, and it was $$.

    Looks 9.

    Performance 6.

    Attitude (important to me) 10.

  13. #38806
    Yes, a lot of this crap goes on. 1 or 2 visits should be enough if she is going give it up. I guess there is that odd encounter when she is just too horny and needs a release.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWookie  [View Original Post]
    Some of these girls (not many) but some will promise that if you "keep coming back" that they will do some things, but how much of your money does she have by the 4th visit? And what if she says, wait I want to know you better or something after visit 4, just sounds like a ploy to keep you coming back.

  14. #38805

    Next time

    Quote Originally Posted by PopUpMenu123  [View Original Post]
    Anyone know any? In NYC there were some. This one in sauna one massage said if I saw her 4 times she would do it. Not sure if I can do that for her. PM me if possible.
    Some of these girls (not many) but some will promise that if you "keep coming back" that they will do some things, but how much of your money does she have by the 4th visit? And what if she says, wait I want to know you better or something after visit 4, just sounds like a ploy to keep you coming back.

  15. #38804
    Quote Originally Posted by BrickJob  [View Original Post]
    I'm baffled. Had pretty much given up on the ATL AMP experience, but went to see someone for just a massage who while has always been legit, gives a good massage and we have always been friendly and have flirted. She asked hard, medium, or soft and did the light fingernail and sensual rubbing which was new for her. I said soft. Pretty routine until she moved the towel off about 20 minutes in and it stayed off the whole time, even after the flip. On the flip, she was not shy in teasing my nipples and stomach and slighty grazing. So I thought she was open to some fun so I asked for the HE and she laughed and said NO! Pretty frustrating as I was sure that I was about finally have some fun with her.

    Gets worse.

    On the way out, she used Google translator to question why I asked for something I had never asked before. Why I would go against her principles and culture. Why I would ask her to "dirty her hands?" This was all at the front desk with another client and the owner right there. I was dumbfounded and still am. This was the most obvious tease I have had with no ending and to top if off she was offended and looking hurt that I would even ask.

    So no tip and I said What the f*&K as I left. Probably can't go back, but just confused.
    Covid 19 became a new excuse for some of the Chinese girls now. I have visited Chinese massage, escort girls recently. They now reluctent to do the HE, kissing, FIV, or BBBJ, or any other thing close to GFE. They think it is dangerous to do that. And they just want your money of the same amount, but less work to do.

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