Seeking Arrangements

**OtherPerson** · 09-07-20 12:52

Just received. SA now offering 33% discount for 1st month of renewal.

(on an auto renewal, but it's possible to sign up and then cancel the auto renewal).

**DougF** · 09-07-20 11:04

Can you use an e-gift vanilla visa to pay subscription or do you need the physical card?

**Patriarchist** · 09-06-20 15:06

Originally Posted by HounDog3 [View Original Post]

I also tend to ignore girls with "life of luxury" selected. As well as girls with photos showing designer bags, expensive cars, and boats. There's also the obvious ones who state they want to go shopping or they're looking for money.

I would not ask a girl if she will do PPM. It's no different than asking if she's a ho. Regardless of what WE think about them, all that matters is what the girls think about themselves and how they view their activity on SA. Unless they're a pro or semi-pro, they don't think of themselves as professional ho's, and asking if they do PPM could be a deal breaker. I originally took that approach and had girls tell me they're not prostitutes, goodbye. Many girls, especially the younger ones, think hey I'm having sex anyway why not get some extra money for it. I've had good success asking what they want for the arrangement rather than asking about PPM directly. Subtle difference on the surface but totally different in the girls' minds. Sometimes they reply with an answer having nothing to do with money. I reply back that I'm asking about the benefit they desire which usually triggers them to focus on the financial aspect. Makes all the difference in the mind of the girl.

Some girls don't want to per-negotiate, they prefer a meet & greet to discuss the arrangement face to face. They want to see who they're doing to determine the level of pain and what they want for it.

I always mention the term "casual" because at that point I am already treating them like a prostitute! They know what the website is about: time for money. That is why IMO it is easy to just ask about a ppm-style arrangement after asking about a causal relation. I have found in most cases they will be wiling to agree to it after going to text especially since my pic is verified. Like you say, otherwise it will lead to a lot of M&Gs, and for me, I don't have that kind of time, nor do I want to "talk" with some woman without anything in return, without the promise of meeting a second time, or if details had not been discussed, then without even knowing if her tentative terms for the arrangement would be acceptable to me.

**HounDog3** · 09-06-20 13:35

Originally Posted by Patriarchist [View Original Post]

When messaging a POT for PPM, this is my preferred method to get digits / off-site as fast as possible.

Let me first start by saying I do not bother with most girls that select "life of luxury" in their profile. That most likely means they want an allowance or want to be wined and dined.

1. Start with a Greeting. Keep it simple. Just ask how they are doing.

2. Ask if they are interested in something casual. If she says no, it saves time and you can move onto the next one. If she says yes or asks for further details, then:

3. Ask for some way to communicate with them off the website. Make it clear that you will be texting though, and not calling, as this could be seen as an invasion of privacy. Do not mention PPM at all until you get offsite or else your account could get flagged.

4. Once you get them offline, ask if they will do PPM; explain what it means if they've never heard of it. At this point, the girl will most likely say yes as they've already indicated they are interested in a casual arrangement. However she may want to meet first for an M&G so it's up to you if you want to invest that kind of time and energy on the POT.

This four step approach has greatly streamlined things for me while using SA. I hope it can be useful to you all too.

I also tend to ignore girls with "life of luxury" selected. As well as girls with photos showing designer bags, expensive cars, and boats. There's also the obvious ones who state they want to go shopping or they're looking for money.

I would not ask a girl if she will do PPM. It's no different than asking if she's a ho. Regardless of what WE think about them, all that matters is what the girls think about themselves and how they view their activity on SA. Unless they're a pro or semi-pro, they don't think of themselves as professional ho's, and asking if they do PPM could be a deal breaker. I originally took that approach and had girls tell me they're not prostitutes, goodbye. Many girls, especially the younger ones, think hey I'm having sex anyway why not get some extra money for it. I've had good success asking what they want for the arrangement rather than asking about PPM directly. Subtle difference on the surface but totally different in the girls' minds. Sometimes they reply with an answer having nothing to do with money. I reply back that I'm asking about the benefit they desire which usually triggers them to focus on the financial aspect. Makes all the difference in the mind of the girl.

Some girls don't want to per-negotiate, they prefer a meet & greet to discuss the arrangement face to face. They want to see who they're doing to determine the level of pain and what they want for it.

**Rome400** · 09-06-20 12:55

Originally Posted by Patriarchist [View Original Post]

When messaging a POT for PPM, this is my preferred method to get digits / off-site as fast as possible.

Let me first start by saying I do not bother with most girls that select "life of luxury" in their profile. That most likely means they want an allowance or want to be wined and dined.

1. Start with a Greeting. Keep it simple. Just ask how they are doing.

2. Ask if they are interested in something casual. If she says no, it saves time and you can move onto the next one. If she says yes or asks for further details, then:

3. Ask for some way to communicate with them off the website. Make it clear that you will be texting though, and not calling, as this could be seen as an invasion of privacy. Do not mention PPM at all until you get offsite or else your account could get flagged.

4. Once you get them offline, ask if they will do PPM; explain what it means if they've never heard of it. At this point, the girl will most likely say yes as they've already indicated they are interested in a casual arrangement. However she may want to meet first for an M&G so it's up to you if you want to invest that kind of time and energy on the POT.

This four step approach has greatly streamlined things for me while using SA. I hope it can be useful to you all too.

Our methods are very similar. I do hold out a carrot that I am looking to do an allowance if we have chemistry. I use kik or talktone app although with both the messages are sometimes delayed. If the pictures are professional I never send them a message. (They are either high end call girl or looking for money up front. Three years ago you could get a 25-30 single mom for ppm for 200. Now they are asking for 500, with 8 pics in the profile and not one below the breasts. You know that means they are shaped like a Christmas tree!

**PaulRew** · 09-06-20 12:40

Here is an example of a girl that fits what I am looking for, hot but not a 9 or 10, a good age, college educated etc. However I will never contact her. Why you ask? Well, she rides the site 2/7 like literally all day. If you don't believe me favorite her and see if she ever falls below your first couple of slots. Of course this is my own opinion but from what I have experienced girls like this are either just seeking attention, pros or looking for the highest bidder, none of which appeal to me.

https://www.seeking.com/member/e8c21...b-7aeff4c67dcc

**Patriarchist** · 09-06-20 10:42

When messaging a POT for PPM, this is my preferred method to get digits / off-site as fast as possible.

Let me first start by saying I do not bother with most girls that select "life of luxury" in their profile. That most likely means they want an allowance or want to be wined and dined.

1. Start with a Greeting. Keep it simple. Just ask how they are doing.

2. Ask if they are interested in something casual. If she says no, it saves time and you can move onto the next one. If she says yes or asks for further details, then:

3. Ask for some way to communicate with them off the website. Make it clear that you will be texting though, and not calling, as this could be seen as an invasion of privacy. Do not mention PPM at all until you get offsite or else your account could get flagged.

4. Once you get them offline, ask if they will do PPM; explain what it means if they've never heard of it. At this point, the girl will most likely say yes as they've already indicated they are interested in a casual arrangement. However she may want to meet first for an M&G so it's up to you if you want to invest that kind of time and energy on the POT.

This four step approach has greatly streamlined things for me while using SA. I hope it can be useful to you all too.

**Lily1234** · 09-06-20 07:45

Originally Posted by Bran001 [View Original Post]

An older (50+) woman messaged me and it was immediately clear to me that she was not what I was looking for, and SA was not what she was looking for. She's not particularly attractive; overweight; divorced; no gent's idea of a sugar partner.

After a few more days I felt bad and just told her, "This isn't the site for you. " So she asked me for a recommendation. I said, "Match? EHarmony?

Somehow, not-that-bright older women have NO IDEA what this is about.

For what its worth, a buddy of mine knows some older women in NYC who actually meet rich guys who take them out, fly them out west to ski, other shot that requires a lot of cash. I am sure they are rewarding those guys, so maybe they have been reading some NYC sa blog or something.

**suaimmagine** · 09-05-20 18:27

Originally Posted by PvWorkOuts [View Original Post]

Any info on this girl? I am looking for something LT and she seems like the real deal. Smart, too. But she does not reply to my messages.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6df22...4-b873a7f82ee6

I hit her up with a reasonable message and no response after a week. Wasn't waiting for her but your post reminded me.

**Bran001** · 09-05-20 09:05

An older (50+) woman messaged me and it was immediately clear to me that she was not what I was looking for, and SA was not what she was looking for. She's not particularly attractive; overweight; divorced; no gent's idea of a sugar partner.

After a few more days I felt bad and just told her, "This isn't the site for you. " So she asked me for a recommendation. I said, "Match? EHarmony?

Somehow, not-that-bright older women have NO IDEA what this is about.

**Rome400** · 09-04-20 11:55

Originally Posted by EvilTmp [View Original Post]

This girl can't even bother faking it. She thinks any guy contacting her is a loser and deserves what's coming to him. Who's the lucky guy?

https://www.seeking.com/member/c75a6...9-6a35284d903f

I'll bet there's more than one guy who will try his luck.

Created account Aug. 29/ last long in Aug. 29.

SA is loaded with profiles that are active for less then a week and never used again.

**EvilTmp** · 09-04-20 00:33

This girl can't even bother faking it. She thinks any guy contacting her is a loser and deserves what's coming to him. Who's the lucky guy?

https://www.seeking.com/member/c75a6...9-6a35284d903f

I'll bet there's more than one guy who will try his luck.

**Amppro95** · 09-03-20 16:59

Originally Posted by Joe1223 [View Original Post]

So at least your chance of being ripped off is very low. However I'm not sure how the gift for sex convo is suppose to go? LOL Kudos for the honesty thou.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ee4f0...2-bd7cd4028d85

Saw that too, I was like. Is this even real? I thought about messaging her, maybe swapping strangle hold stories.

**Joe1223** · 09-03-20 16:21

So at least your chance of being ripped off is very low. However I'm not sure how the gift for sex convo is suppose to go? LOL Kudos for the honesty thou.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ee4f0...2-bd7cd4028d85

**Bran001** · 09-02-20 21:53

Originally Posted by Joe1223 [View Original Post]

I talked to this one and she is looking for a relationship vs just sex. No married guys either. This is why I usually keep it under 27, they still haven't noticed the clock ticking. Cute girl but I took a polite pass so I have no idea what she is expecting for the gift.

https://www.seeking.com/member/890ac...e-24e4ccfcd88b

There are some women on there who think it's match.com or something. I guess that its worth a shot for them; they don't pay for profiles and there are some men with money. May as well I suppose.