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  1. #4533

    Second that

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey540  [View Original Post]
    Debating this topic the last couple days does not do anything for us. It's like logging into FB and listening to people debate politics. Neither side gives a rip, why argue? Some of us only shop on the top shelf, some of us will go to the fleabag motels in search of a cheap qv.

    Do what makes you happy, look here for solid intel and let the rest go.
    You're right. I'm moving on from this topic. I'm a do what I always do, and that is see some girls. And report back with the info. Do whatever you need to do in this hobby that makes you happy. I'm start traveling and seeing more established women in bigger cities. May go the sugar daddy route, and see what results I find there. All I'm a say is be careful out here. And know who you're going to see. Safe hunting.

  2. #4532

    All Good

    Quote Originally Posted by Uva1985  [View Original Post]
    I agree. I definitely was not trying to argue. I just think it's exhausting reading so many naive sounding posts. You get what you put energy into. If you're going to slum motels. Then 100% of the time you know the deal with the girl. Simple as that. If that's your thing no judgement here. It's personally not mine. But Just be mindful of what could happen. All I am saying. Cause I've been around it. Just putting my two cents in cause it can actually be a very dangerous thing. So I think people should put more thought into it than they do.
    You're 100% right bro and no disrespect to you for the posts. I would hope guys get it and know what happens if they hit up Ramada or Days or Knights. Man, I used to use Knights to hook up with women I met on dating sites outside of the hobby. That back side facing the old Waffle House? Ha ha ha that was my go-to for an out of the way afternoon with someone DTF. Those were the days. Now, I'd be concerned I'd pick up hep there from the sheets as much as the provider. Awful.

    If you need one of the guys on here to tell you to be careful paying 60 at a crack dive then maybe you have it coming. Harsh but accurate. I've done it for a quick thrill or to try someone out but it's not a winning strategy. But like you said, to each their own. Just have fun, and this site will most often give you the real deal.

  3. #4531

    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey540  [View Original Post]
    Debating this topic the last couple days does not do anything for us. It's like logging into FB and listening to people debate politics. Neither side gives a rip, why argue? Some of us only shop on the top shelf, some of us will go to the fleabag motels in search of a cheap qv.

    Do what makes you happy, look here for solid intel and let the rest go.
    I agree. I definitely was not trying to argue. I just think it's exhausting reading so many naive sounding posts. You get what you put energy into. If you're going to slum motels. Then 100% of the time you know the deal with the girl. Simple as that. If that's your thing no judgement here. It's personally not mine. But Just be mindful of what could happen. All I am saying. Cause I've been around it. Just putting my two cents in cause it can actually be a very dangerous thing. So I think people should put more thought into it than they do.

  4. #4530

    Final (ish) Thoughts

    Brace yourself because I'm going to step on some toes.

    The QV killed it.

    If you look at the mid level providers like we are really looking for in the larger cities, what do you find. They range $180-200 an hour and they don't do visits any shorter than that. Why is that you ask, because women need the illusion of the GFE to keep from losing their minds doing this.

    Women are wired differently than we are. They trade sex for emotional connection and we trade emotional connection for sex. The donation we provide is simply to be able to leave after without having to hear about their family drama at 2 am. If you take the time to ask your barber or mechanic how their family is doing and they ask you about yours, shouldn't the same courtesy apply here? I would say even more so, and you just don't get that in 15 minutes.

    I know it's a generalization, but to me a QV being offered is a pretty good indicator of addiction. And me personally, once I see evidence of that I'm not going back because I'm not going to play into that cycle.

    What do you think causes that? It goes back to the emotional connection I spoke of earlier. When a guy goes for a QV and it's just a quick BJ and he runs her through the entire menu, nuts and leaves it hollows the girl out. If she doesn't use presently she will be very soon because that kind of interaction is traumatic to a girl and brings the symptoms if not the full blown manifestation of PTSD. Eventually they are in the midst of a vicious cycle where they are working to feed the habit, but they need the fix to survive the work.

    If you look at the SB forums you will see that most of the pleasant experiences are multi-hour / day.

    In my experience, if you take the time to ask them about themselves for a while and let them ask you questions about yourself and don't rush them through the entire menu on the first couple of visits, you just might find yourself walking away from a half hour appointment an hour and a half later having experienced things that are not on the menu. It truly is a YMMV, but the more you can make it feel like a real date for them, the better off you will be. I realize that it's all an illusion, but so is your conversation with your doctor about their kids sports. In most cases you don't actually care, but it's the social grease that keeps everything moving smoothly. In this realm that includes making sure that you are freshly showered and groomed. Make sure you smell good, keep your lips moisturized, and for God's sake pop a breath mint before you walk in the door.

    Remember gents, like it or not, this is a game we are all in together. When one mistreats a girl or weirds her out, we all suffer from worse service as a consequence. For us all to have a good time we have to make sure that we aren't only policing the providers, we also have to keep ourselves in check as well.

    / End rant.

    // Safe Hunting.

  5. #4529

    Fellas, let's all chill.

    Debating this topic the last couple days does not do anything for us. It's like logging into FB and listening to people debate politics. Neither side gives a rip, why argue? Some of us only shop on the top shelf, some of us will go to the fleabag motels in search of a cheap qv.

    Do what makes you happy, look here for solid intel and let the rest go.

  6. #4528

    Agree to a point

    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyLove92  [View Original Post]
    Everyone has made a good point. My whole thing is, we should stop looking at these girls like they run a business, or are entrepreneurs. They're not. I've only been in this hobby for a year or so regularly. And I've seen most of what this city has to offer. And I can say, that the majority of them have a habit of some sort. Common sense would tell you that. Does that mean I haven't had good service from a "junkie. " No, of course I have. I've seen Cherry, and Melody. Both of them have a habit or two. But they have given me some of the best service I have ever received. So let's not degrade these women, because they have a habit. They have proven you can provide good service even being on drugs. And yes, of course I want them to get help. But that habit didn't make them bad people, or provide B.S. service. They are good people who just have an addiction. Some of these girls are bad to their cores, with or without a habit. They'll rob you, or give terrible service. Because they don't care about people to begin with, and clients in this case. They're going to get that money by any means necessary. All they need is new puppets every day to fall for it. Addiction affects everyone differently. I only degrade the ones who have ripped guys off, and robbed fellow mongers. Because their behavior needs to be brought to the light. Which is why this forum is great. Because you can come here, and found out reliable info about a girl before trying her out. And yes, do your research. If a hotel has terrible reviews. You may want to stay away from there. Nothing good will come from it. I promise you. And I agree with Shooter. We need some sort of advertising to get all hobbyists to join this forum. So we can prevent mongers from seeing these terrible providers like Lunah, Jess, Special Kay / Kendra, etc.

    As far as paying for premium girls. Or going to bigger cities to play. Well yes, the quality in places like D. C. , Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, to name a few. Will always be better than here. Because the population in these places is bigger then here. More potential for girls to make more money. Who have no habits, about their money, who just want to play. While making some side money. Outside of Bella and her girls, Alyse, Danny, Jenn. We won't see girls like that here. Roanoke is made up of doctors and nurses. Who if we really think about. Their not going to venture in this hobby. Why should they. They don't need it like that. Unless they go the Sugar daddy route. Where they can meet higher quality clients, who will splurge on them. And all they have to do is provide great service. Then they will get repeat customers, with steady money coming in. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

    All I'm saying is let's narrow it down to the few good girls we have here, and forget the rest. The bad ones will go away at some point with no customers. We're going to have to travel to see some better quality girls, go the sugar daddy route, and do it the old fashioned way. Hit up some bars. I'm sure you will find some better quality there. These local girls aren't always you're only option. Remember UTR's aren't given to. They are found. There are girls out here, who want to play, but just haven't been introduced to idea of the hobby yet. Keep that in mind when you're out and about searching. Safe hunting.
    Yeah I agree with most of what you say. My point is it's hypocritical to say you don't care what these girls are doing and you're okay seeing them even knowing the situation then turn around and degrade them and use their monkey against them. Bad service is bad service. Leave it that. Yeah no question you can get good service from a girl with addiction. I am just saying you're playing with fire. And you have to understand the consequences. It's an unpredictable world. I am definitely not saying they're bad people. I was one of them for a long time. But it does affect you. And it does make people do things they wouldn't normally do. Desperate people do desperate things. Just be mindful. That's it. Don't put yourself in situations where bad things can happen. Then wonder why something bad happen in the end.

  7. #4527

    Picking up girls in bars

    A few years back before anyone heard of China virus, I wasn't looking but on two separate occasions came across average to slightly above average women leaving the Watering Hole and they accepted a ride home (theirs) from me. Sloppy blowjob with minimal damage. Both were fairly drunk. In most ways it was a lot better than anything I read here, considering aggravation, cost, "habit" and how the girls were friendly.

  8. #4526

    My thoughts

    Everyone has made a good point. My whole thing is, we should stop looking at these girls like they run a business, or are entrepreneurs. They're not. I've only been in this hobby for a year or so regularly. And I've seen most of what this city has to offer. And I can say, that the majority of them have a habit of some sort. Common sense would tell you that. Does that mean I haven't had good service from a "junkie. " No, of course I have. I've seen Cherry, and Melody. Both of them have a habit or two. But they have given me some of the best service I have ever received. So let's not degrade these women, because they have a habit. They have proven you can provide good service even being on drugs. And yes, of course I want them to get help. But that habit didn't make them bad people, or provide B.S. service. They are good people who just have an addiction. Some of these girls are bad to their cores, with or without a habit. They'll rob you, or give terrible service. Because they don't care about people to begin with, and clients in this case. They're going to get that money by any means necessary. All they need is new puppets every day to fall for it. Addiction affects everyone differently. I only degrade the ones who have ripped guys off, and robbed fellow mongers. Because their behavior needs to be brought to the light. Which is why this forum is great. Because you can come here, and found out reliable info about a girl before trying her out. And yes, do your research. If a hotel has terrible reviews. You may want to stay away from there. Nothing good will come from it. I promise you. And I agree with Shooter. We need some sort of advertising to get all hobbyists to join this forum. So we can prevent mongers from seeing these terrible providers like Lunah, Jess, Special Kay / Kendra, etc.

    As far as paying for premium girls. Or going to bigger cities to play. Well yes, the quality in places like D. C. , Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, to name a few. Will always be better than here. Because the population in these places is bigger then here. More potential for girls to make more money. Who have no habits, about their money, who just want to play. While making some side money. Outside of Bella and her girls, Alyse, Danny, Jenn. We won't see girls like that here. Roanoke is made up of doctors and nurses. Who if we really think about. Their not going to venture in this hobby. Why should they. They don't need it like that. Unless they go the Sugar daddy route. Where they can meet higher quality clients, who will splurge on them. And all they have to do is provide great service. Then they will get repeat customers, with steady money coming in. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

    All I'm saying is let's narrow it down to the few good girls we have here, and forget the rest. The bad ones will go away at some point with no customers. We're going to have to travel to see some better quality girls, go the sugar daddy route, and do it the old fashioned way. Hit up some bars. I'm sure you will find some better quality there. These local girls aren't always you're only option. Remember UTR's aren't given to. They are found. There are girls out here, who want to play, but just haven't been introduced to idea of the hobby yet. Keep that in mind when you're out and about searching. Safe hunting.

  9. #4525

    Missing my point

    Quote Originally Posted by SirMob  [View Original Post]
    Of course they are ripping guys off for a quick 100 and that is suitable enough for quite a few of them. But lets be honest, some of these women who are fairly nice looking are squandering money, no matter how we spin it. It is what it is, but my assessment is providers like Jess and Bad choose to operate in a way in which they more than likely get very few repeat customers, which leads to them posting their ad dozens of times per week, which means a bunch of new customers, which means an increased risk of bad things happening, such as stings, violent visitors, or guys who refuse to pay. Some of this areas good providers rarely post their ad. The reason for that is they have provided decent enough service to where they have regulars, therefore reducing the aforementioned risks. Several weeks back I saw someone ask about a certain provider and their opinion was she was out the game. Well, she is in fact very much in the game, she just doesn't post her ad, but she responds to her regulars. She once told me that new customers are a hassle because they often flake themselves. I guess this comes down to which is easier for these women, providing good service twice a day at higher rates many would be willing to pay while getting what they hate to do out the way or seeing five or six guys a day while trying to do as little as possible and dealing with whatever confrontations comes with ripping guys off. But the issue with ripping guys off is one day these women are going to eventually deal with a man who just isn't going to take it.

    Also, I am not thinking of these women as pornstars, I am thinking of these women as people who are offering a service. Any visit to good provider in a bigger city would highlight the opposite ends of the hobby and the difference in approach to their business. Good big city providers are turned on by money, therefore they aim to provide the best service as possible while hosting at fine hotels no matter if they like you or not. I could go into my escapades in bigger cities, but I will just highlight one. While visiting a bigger city, I saw what I consider one of the most beautiful women I have ever laid eyes on. Her performance was a ten, face a ten, body a ten. The provider I am referring to very much operates as if she's running a business and conversations just before I left led me to believe she values repeat customers and wants them back, which is a great business model no matter the service providing. I will continue to say that some of the better looking women in Roanoke are indeed allowing good money to escape their hands.
    Yeah absolutely. I don't disagree with you. My point is you're looking at from a perspective most of these girls don't. Yeah they're definitely squandering money. But It's business to them not a business to them. They're looking to survive each day. That's it. You can't compare one provider with another. I get what you're saying and it's a logical way of thinking but the life most are living isn't logical. A bigger city isn't comparable at all. This isn't a bigger city. Not sure where you are referring to. But there's a higher cost of living most times. More good, clean, legit providers. More mongers. More money to be made. So more of an effort made to provide good service. And repeat customers. Most girls value repeat customers who they think can provide for them. And who they trust and treat them well. No doubt most legit girls look for those things. All I am saying is understand who you're seeing. You can't expect to get things you get from certain providers with every provider no matter what sense it makes.

  10. #4524

    Squandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Uva1985  [View Original Post]
    I continue to see stuff like this written all the time. You're overthinking it my man. And You're giving these girls way too little credit. Why would these girls go get a job? She just played a poor guy out of 100 for really nothing. And I am going to go out on a limb and say there are many more just like him. These girls are addicts who are just trying to survive. Period. These are girls with a ton of mental health issues that more than likely struggle to even live with themselves doing these things. And have to be high to even get through it. You're simplifying it to a "squandering money cause they won't fully commit" type of thing. It has nothing to do with it. They're aren't trying to run a business. They're trying to make enough money to survive everyday. You're thinking of these girls as pornstars who just love to have sex all the time. 99% don't. It's something that's a part of the street life unfortunately and it's sad. Most of these girls aren't capable of even holding a job. So they turn to this. I will never see a girl that I know is using. I can't do it. These girls need help. Not guys like us enabling them just to get off. It's just killing them in the end.
    Of course they are ripping guys off for a quick 100 and that is suitable enough for quite a few of them. But lets be honest, some of these women who are fairly nice looking are squandering money, no matter how we spin it. It is what it is, but my assessment is providers like Jess and Bad choose to operate in a way in which they more than likely get very few repeat customers, which leads to them posting their ad dozens of times per week, which means a bunch of new customers, which means an increased risk of bad things happening, such as stings, violent visitors, or guys who refuse to pay. Some of this areas good providers rarely post their ad. The reason for that is they have provided decent enough service to where they have regulars, therefore reducing the aforementioned risks. Several weeks back I saw someone ask about a certain provider and their opinion was she was out the game. Well, she is in fact very much in the game, she just doesn't post her ad, but she responds to her regulars. She once told me that new customers are a hassle because they often flake themselves. I guess this comes down to which is easier for these women, providing good service twice a day at higher rates many would be willing to pay while getting what they hate to do out the way or seeing five or six guys a day while trying to do as little as possible and dealing with whatever confrontations comes with ripping guys off. But the issue with ripping guys off is one day these women are going to eventually deal with a man who just isn't going to take it.

    Also, I am not thinking of these women as pornstars, I am thinking of these women as people who are offering a service. Any visit to good provider in a bigger city would highlight the opposite ends of the hobby and the difference in approach to their business. Good big city providers are turned on by money, therefore they aim to provide the best service as possible while hosting at fine hotels no matter if they like you or not. I could go into my escapades in bigger cities, but I will just highlight one. While visiting a bigger city, I saw what I consider one of the most beautiful women I have ever laid eyes on. Her performance was a ten, face a ten, body a ten. The provider I am referring to very much operates as if she's running a business and conversations just before I left led me to believe she values repeat customers and wants them back, which is a great business model no matter the service providing. I will continue to say that some of the better looking women in Roanoke are indeed allowing good money to escape their hands.

  11. #4523

    Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAvenger  [View Original Post]
    Why must we go on with this Soap box drama about why these girls do what they do. We know why venture into this hobby. Because majority of these girls, have no job, no reliable income, mental issues, monkey's on their backs. And the ones that none of that applies to. Like Alyse, Bella and her girls, Danny, Faith, Jenn. Love what they do, have other means of income, and only do this as a side hustle. They're not trying to run a business. They know they are the business. You say you won't see a girl who is using. Fine, do you sir. But what they do with the money after the session is irrelevant to me. I come to have a good time, hopefully they have a good time. Get that release, and move on. Maybe to repeat. Let's just see some girls, report back with some good info. To help are fellow mongers out. Like a monger just recently had a good experience with a girl. So let's not continually drag this out and try to be some honorary Black Knight trying to save a girl from the street life. We all have our reasons for joining this hobby. See some girls, and have a good time. I know I will. Safe hunting. Peace out.
    I could care less what any man does. You should maybe try that as well my friend. I struggled with addiction for a while. So most of these girls I know or at least know of. So I can promise I have a better perspective on it than you. So I am just giving my own two cents cause I constantly see the same thing written over and over. And it's hypocritical. The same people who share your view are the same people who run to post about a "junkie" girl who is nasty and ripped them off. They aren't separate issues. There's a direct correlation LOL. My whole entire point was not to discourage anyone. Do you. My entire point was stop with all these naive posts. It's why I posted in the first place cause it's exhausting to read LOL. If you understand all these things already and it's "tiring. " Then you should understand it's a crapshoot when you're seeing girls under those circumstances. So stop degrading these girls if you don't care what they're spending there money on. Cause I can promise you what they're spending their money on has a direct correlation to the services you receive. Maybe give that some thought. But yeah do. Just don't come complaining when it something does happen to you. You already get it right?

  12. #4522

    Absolutely

    Quote Originally Posted by CobraGuy  [View Original Post]
    Excellent response and commentary. Mongers say the girls "won't commit to the business" - what business? Are they licensed? Pay taxes? They do what they have to do to get through the day. They have no "connection" to you unless you are the provider of their monkey food. They only want your $$$ and know they really don't have to do much of anything for it. What are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing. They have handlers who will threaten and intimidate you if you balk. You a tough guy? Go ahead and make a point. The cops are not coming to these known locations without taking somebody with them when they leave. Lay with the dogs and you get the fleas (or worse). Save up for a good experience with a quality provider and you will be here praising her instead of bitching about getting ripped off by a nasty street junkie.
    Yeah couldn't agree more with everything you said. And most of these girls don't even have "handlers" per say. Maybe a select few but not many. And the police are going to do nothing at all LOL. If you put yourself in those situations and environments I promise you they will have no sympathy for you. I just don't get it. I mean why would guys want to even pay to see these girls. I am not judging anyone for their taste in what they like in a girl physically but these junkie girls. That's different. I mean 100 bills ain't small money to me anyway. If I am paying 100-200 on a girl it sure as hell ain't going to be any of these junkie girls at days inn or Knights. Just surprising how many guys I continue to see complaining about what happens to them when they are putting themselves in these situations. And if you're not sure about a motel cause you're unfamiliar with the area maybe do a quick google search. I promise you after you read the reviews you'll have an idea after that. To each their own but like I said I personally can't do it. For my own sake. And the girls. It's not good for anyone.

  13. #4521

    Well said

    Quote Originally Posted by CobraGuy  [View Original Post]
    Excellent response and commentary. Mongers say the girls "won't commit to the business" - what business? Are they licensed? Pay taxes? They do what they have to do to get through the day. They have no "connection" to you unless you are the provider of their monkey food. They only want your $$$ and know they really don't have to do much of anything for it. What are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing. They have handlers who will threaten and intimidate you if you balk. You a tough guy? Go ahead and make a point. The cops are not coming to these known locations without taking somebody with them when they leave. Lay with the dogs and you get the fleas (or worse). Save up for a good experience with a quality provider and you will be here praising her instead of bitching about getting ripped off by a nasty street junkie.
    In the long run you well actually waste time and money shopping in the bargain bin.

  14. #4520
    Quote Originally Posted by Uva1985  [View Original Post]
    I continue to see stuff like this written all the time. You're overthinking it my man. And You're giving these girls way too little credit. Why would these girls go get a job? She just played a poor guy out of 100 for really nothing. And I am going to go out on a limb and say there are many more just like him. These girls are addicts who are just trying to survive. Period. These are girls with a ton of mental health issues that more than likely struggle to even live with themselves doing these things. And have to be high to even get through it. You're simplifying it to a "squandering money cause they won't fully commit" type of thing. It has nothing to do with it. They're aren't trying to run a business. They're trying to make enough money to survive everyday. You're thinking of these girls as pornstars who just love to have sex all the time. 99% don't. It's something that's a part of the street life unfortunately and it's sad. Most of these girls aren't capable of even holding a job. So they turn to this. I will never see a girl that I know is using. I can't do it. These girls need help. Not guys like us enabling them just to get off. It's just killing them in the end.
    Excellent response and commentary. Mongers say the girls "won't commit to the business" - what business? Are they licensed? Pay taxes? They do what they have to do to get through the day. They have no "connection" to you unless you are the provider of their monkey food. They only want your $$$ and know they really don't have to do much of anything for it. What are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing. They have handlers who will threaten and intimidate you if you balk. You a tough guy? Go ahead and make a point. The cops are not coming to these known locations without taking somebody with them when they leave. Lay with the dogs and you get the fleas (or worse). Save up for a good experience with a quality provider and you will be here praising her instead of bitching about getting ripped off by a nasty street junkie.

  15. #4519

    Come on people

    Quote Originally Posted by SirMob  [View Original Post]
    Nothing like a decent looking woman squandering lots of money because she doesn't want to fully commit to the business. I have seen her FB page and she does look okay, but reviews here are all negative. I guess she tries to come up with a different hustle each day to screw guys out of money, but she does have potential to earn quite a bit if she were get away from that dump and actually deliver services. This is not hard, if these women do not want to do this, go get a freaking job.
    I continue to see stuff like this written all the time. You're overthinking it my man. And You're giving these girls way too little credit. Why would these girls go get a job? She just played a poor guy out of 100 for really nothing. And I am going to go out on a limb and say there are many more just like him. These girls are addicts who are just trying to survive. Period. These are girls with a ton of mental health issues that more than likely struggle to even live with themselves doing these things. And have to be high to even get through it. You're simplifying it to a "squandering money cause they won't fully commit" type of thing. It has nothing to do with it. They're aren't trying to run a business. They're trying to make enough money to survive everyday. You're thinking of these girls as pornstars who just love to have sex all the time. 99% don't. It's something that's a part of the street life unfortunately and it's sad. Most of these girls aren't capable of even holding a job. So they turn to this. I will never see a girl that I know is using. I can't do it. These girls need help. Not guys like us enabling them just to get off. It's just killing them in the end.

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