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[Captain Solo]

CoVid-19 virus can travel and infect cells up to 16 feet away. Hope your dicks are longer than 16 feet, or buy some long extension tubes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/h...pgtype=Article

'A Smoking Gun': Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.

Airborne virus plays a significant role in community transmission, many experts believe. A new study fills in the missing piece: Floating virus can infect cells.

By Apoorva Mandavilli.

Skeptics of the notion that the coronavirus spreads through the air — including many expert advisers to the World Health Organization — have held out for one missing piece of evidence: proof that floating respiratory droplets called aerosols contain live virus, and not just fragments of genetic material.

Now a team of virologists and aerosol scientists has produced exactly that: confirmation of infectious virus in the air.

"This is what people have been clamoring for," said Linsey Marr, an expert in airborne spread of viruses who was not involved in the work. "It's unambiguous evidence that there is infectious virus in aerosols. ".

A research team at the University of Florida succeeded in isolating live virus from aerosols collected at a distance of seven to 16 feet from patients hospitalized with Covid-19 — farther than the six feet recommended in social distancing guidelines.

The findings, posted online last week, have not yet been vetted by peer review, but have already caused something of a stir among scientists. "If this isn't a smoking gun, then I don't know what is," Dr. Marr tweeted last week.

But some experts said it still was not clear that the amount of virus recovered was sufficient to cause infection.

The research was exacting. Aerosols are minute by definition, measuring only up to five micrometers across; evaporation can make them even smaller. Attempts to capture these delicate droplets usually damage the virus they contain.

"It's very hard to sample biological material from the air and have it be viable," said Shelly Miller, an environmental engineer at the University of Colorado Boulder who studies air quality and airborne diseases.

"We have to be clever about sampling biological material so that it is more similar to how you might inhale it. ".

Previous attempts were stymied at one step or another in the process. For example, one team tried using a rotating drum to suspend aerosols, and showed that the virus remained infectious for up to three hours. But critics argued that those conditions were experimental and unrealistic.

Other scientists used gelatin filters or plastic or glass tubes to collect aerosols over time. But the force of the air shrank the aerosols and sheared the virus. Another group succeeded in isolating live virus, but did not show that the isolated virus could infect cells.

In the new study, researchers devised a sampler that uses pure water vapor to enlarge the aerosols enough that they can be collected easily from the air. Rather than leave these aerosols sitting, the equipment immediately transfers them into a liquid rich with salts, sugar and protein, which preserves the pathogen.

"I'm impressed," said Robyn Schofield, an atmospheric chemist at Melbourne University in Australia, who measures aerosols over the ocean. "It's a very clever measurement technique. ".

As editor of the journal Atmospheric Measurement Techniques, Dr. Schofield is familiar with the options available, but said she had not seen any that could match the new one.

The researchers had previously used this method to sample air from hospital rooms. But in those attempts, other floating respiratory viruses grew faster, making it difficult to isolate the coronavirus.

This time, the team collected air samples from a room in a ward dedicated to Covid-19 patients at the University of Florida Health Shands Hospital. Neither patient in the room was subject to medical procedures known to generate aerosols, which the W. H. O. And others have contended are the primary source of airborne virus in a hospital setting.

The team used two samplers, one about seven feet from the patients and the other about 16 feet from them. The scientists were able to collect virus at both distances and then to show that the virus they had plucked from the air could infect cells in a lab dish.

The genome sequence of the isolated virus was identical to that from a swab of a newly admitted symptomatic patient in the room.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

That may explain why the researchers found only 74 virus particles per liter of air, said John Lednicky, the team's lead virologist at the University of Florida. Indoor spaces without good ventilation — such as schools — might accumulate much more airborne virus, he said.

But other experts said it was difficult to extrapolate from the findings to estimate an individual's infection risk.

"I'm just not sure that these numbers are high enough to cause an infection in somebody," said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.

"The only conclusion I can take from this paper is you can culture viable virus out of the air," she said. "But that's not a small thing. ".

Several experts noted that the distance at which the team found virus is much farther than the six feet recommended for physical distancing.

"We know that indoors, those distance rules don't matter anymore," Dr. Schofield said. It takes about five minutes for small aerosols to traverse the room even in still air, she added.

The six-foot minimum is "misleading, because people think they are protected indoors and they're really not," she said.

That recommendation was based on the notion that "large ballistic cannonball-type droplets" were the only vehicles for the virus, Dr. Marr said. The more distance people can maintain, the better, she added.

The findings should also push people to heed precautions for airborne transmission like improved ventilation, said Seema Lakdawala, a respiratory virus expert at the University of Pittsburgh.

"We all know that this virus can transmit by all these modes, but we're only focusing on a small subset," Dr. Lakdawala said.

She and other experts noted one strange aspect of the new study. The team reported finding just as much viral RNA as they did infectious virus, but other methods generally found about 100-fold more genetic matter.

"When you do nasal swabs or clinical samples, there is a lot more RNA than infectious virus," Dr. Lakdawala said.

Dr. Lednicky has received emails and phone calls from researchers worldwide asking about that finding. He said he would check his numbers again to be sure.

But ultimately, he added, the exact figures may not matter. "We can grow the virus from air — I think that should be the important take-home lesson," he said.

Apoorva Mandavilli is a reporter for The Times, focusing on science and global health. She is the 2019 winner of the Victor Cohn Prize for Excellence in Medical Science Reporting. At apoorva_nyc.

[Lift Her Up]

In response to the recent question raised by senior member Bronco in the Escorts thread: Since resuming my sex life a few weeks ago, I have been to one AAMP, a house in Rosemead. I wore a mask except while in the shower. Each provider I saw, and both MMS's, had masks. Personally, I find the mask a lot less distracring than I was afraid it would be. Hope this helps.

Lift Her Up.

[James D 2004]

To make sure you are protected during sex, you should wear this CoVid suit:

DuPont TY122's Disposable Elastic Wrist, Bootie & Hood White Tyvek Coverall Suit, Size: Large, with IPT Protective Gloves.

Actually that's appropriate for HSV prevention. Carriers with no symptom or no outbreaks can still shred the vir, and it's infectious through the skin. It's very misinformed to wear that for covid because it doesn't go through the skin. People rarely BBFS before PrEP. But it's misinformed to BB when you are not taking PrEP. You still cannot rely on a stranger to do all the right things. If you wear a condom why wouldn't you wear a mask?

[BatmanRobinBat]

I searched the threads but it didn't yield any results.

Worried about covid? LOL come on mongers. Read the thread and use search engine for answers.

[LaidBack59]

I have had several girls catch me on wechat about word spreading of a multi-agency crackdown on open stores. Supposedly, they have fire, health and safety, licensing, police, etc -- checking for "under the radar" stores and handing out hefty fines to stores and girls found working. The Massage council is also in on it and revoking licenses.

Just wondering if anyone has any info, please PM so I can pass it on. I know of at least two stores that were open but have decided the risk is too great and are now closing.

Laidback.

[Admin2]

How did the visit flow, considering covid circumstances? Marks, hand-hygiene. Etc. ? Any tips on enjoying the experience while staying safe.

If you want to know what is up with the process of covid crap that's fine but when you post not once but twice about it an then add the "staying safe" part its obvious your crossing over into the politicized bullshit and it needs to be on the stupid shit thread.

Safety is found in this number which was released by the CDC back in May in planning scenarios. 99.74%. That is the overall recovery rate for covid according to the best estimate from the CDC. If that number isn't good enough for you then I suggest you take more draconian measures and stay home until a vaccine is developed.

A2.

[Hornilius69]

How does it process flow post-COVID? Temperature checks, mask-wearing, sanitizing all surface areas?

The girls probably wear mask and no temperature check require. I don't think they change towels.

Just visited 6* and the towel on the bed looks used or wet. I had to do K9 standing.

[Captain Solo]

To make sure you are protected during sex, you should wear this CoVid suit:

DuPont TY122's Disposable Elastic Wrist, Bootie & Hood White Tyvek Coverall Suit, Size: Large, with IPT Protective Gloves.

Many research are hoping to get effective treatment and vaccine fast at the beginning. In the latest claims, there are effective vaccines. For fast track approval they will be available next year. Like the flu, it will be very different when you get infected with or without a vaccine. The one thing you can do is to buy time depending on what you can afford. Having no life for a month or two doesn't hurt that much and see what happens.

I actually tried pandemic sex wearing a N100 with a valve for comfort. I went into a decon soapy shower right before and right after at home. I disinfect the whole car with an ozone machine.

[Lift Her Up]

How did the visit flow, considering covid circumstances? Marks, hand-hygiene. Etc. ? Any tips on enjoying the experience while staying safe.

I suggest moving this and your other post to the special thread our Administration set up for Covid discussion, "Rants and Stupid Shit in OC. ".

Lift Her Up.

[July1714]

How did the visit flow, considering covid circumstances? Marks, hand-hygiene. Etc. ? Any tips on enjoying the experience while staying safe.

Worried about covid? LOL come on mongers. Read the thread and use search engine for answers.

[Miguel Honcho]

How does it process flow post-COVID? Temperature checks, mask-wearing, sanitizing all surface areas?

Read posts from a few months ago when things started opening up. Recently for me, its wear a mask going in but take it off during the session. Where I've been they haven't been very strict about it. The recent state shutdowns have things like going to the back door, so it's not totally business as usual. Every place will handle things their own way and the rules and practices, like services, YMMV.

[James D 2004]

Eventually everyone will get infected with this virus, just like the common flu. The only alternative is to shut yourself out at home, avoid all social contacts and have no life.

This virus is the worst disaster in the last 100 years right after the Yellow Fever and Spanish flu that killed millions.

Many research are hoping to get effective treatment and vaccine fast at the beginning. In the latest claims, there are effective vaccines. For fast track approval they will be available next year. Like the flu, it will be very different when you get infected with or without a vaccine. The one thing you can do is to buy time depending on what you can afford. Having no life for a month or two doesn't hurt that much and see what happens.

I actually tried pandemic sex wearing a N100 with a valve for comfort. I went into a decon soapy shower right before and right after at home. I disinfect the whole car with an ozone machine.

[James D 2004]

This is kind of mis-stated. N95 masks, with or without exhale valves, offer the same protection to the people wearing them (assuming they are certified N95). They are not recommended by the CDC to be used in a sterile environment: "However, respirators with exhalation valves should not be used in situations where a sterile field must be maintained (e. G. , during an invasive procedure in an operating or procedure room) because the exhalation valve allows unfiltered exhaled air to escape into the sterile field. " So, the others who are not wearing N95 will be at higher risk of exposure from people who are wearing N95 with valves. But, that's not reducing the wearer's protection.

Also, N95 masks are referred to as respirators, which is a term to mean that they are designed to protect the wearer from foreign micro-particles, not necessarily to protect others from being exposed to the wearer's exhalation.

He is actually right, what you said. You kind of mis-stated. They are probably the same materials, medical and industrial. But, if the certification doesn't say bi-direction, it can be only designed and tested in the obvious direction. So it's protecting the wearer by default. There's no guaranteed for the other direction regarding the smallest particles even without a valve. For industrial, there's nothing to protect in the other direction. For medical, doctors / nurses are supposed to be healthy. But medical masks are typically without valves to minimize contamination in any direction. While industrial ones has it to be comfortable working for at least an hour or two.

[BatmanRobinBat]

How does it process flow post-COVID? Temperature checks, mask-wearing, sanitizing all surface areas?

So many places on Tustin in Orange. I've had my eye on Dahlia for a while, so decided to TOFTT. Open sign is off and place looks shuttered, but as I cruised through the lot I saw a monger exit, so I knew it was game on. Came back after an hour of errands and walked right in. Was met by a masked Asian provider, whose eyes made me guess 40's. Body seemed tight if not particularly revealing beneath the standard thigh length print dress. .4 hhr. Room was clean, temp comfortable. She started with a massage on the shoulders and back that was brief but actually good pressure, and reminded me that I do like massages. Moved to the legs and ass and the teasing was almost immediate, and very good. This lingered long enough to make it a memorable experience, and only when it was obvious that I was ready did we do the flip.

She started right into the handshake without asking, no discussion of tip or any other extras. Allowed roaming and groping of well-rounded, firm ass beneath the dress, but kept her legs firmly together and moved away when I tested the front. Technique was really good.

Here's the thing: HE have never been my thing. I enjoy the sensuality, but not the standard jackhammer or technique that perhaps get others off. I've never finished this way. Too often I feel this pressure to finish, and that kills it, plus (I now realize) I've never been vocal about what works or what I want. But she started doing some stuff with the shaft and below that was unexpected by highly pleasurable, and I let her know. Her urging me on was not a demand to finish quickly, but like a supporting encouragement LOL. She kept at it, put in the effort, and I had an explosion I'll not soon forget. I tipped the standard. 4 and she never questioned, just gave me a squeeze.

I do not think anything else is on the table there, though who knows. If you are looking for hot young spinners, I don't think this is the place either. But I'll be going back.

[BatmanRobinBat]

Traveled to detox during my lunch break today (Monday). Cynthia was available. Saggy but fun dd's and a nice large ass. Standard service but I'm surprised no one has mentioned how beautiful this girl is. She's really fucking pretty. Had more fun getting a BJ from her and looking at her face than fucking that fat ass doggy. 1. 6 including door fee. Will repeat and focus on either face fucking or pure missionary. Great great face on her.

How did the visit flow, considering covid circumstances? Marks, hand-hygiene. Etc. ? Any tips on enjoying the experience while staying safe.