"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[ArtImperial]

Have been seeing a fun little 19 year old RVA spinner. This is not a SD / SB thing for us, just an age-gap FB thing: I know her from elsewhere, managed to seduce her, and we get together a couple times a month for naked fun. She definitely appreciates the older man concept, and I've helped her out with professional / financial advice and other favors when I can, but otherwise it's a non-compensation arrangement, and there's a pleasant lack of expectations / strings attached for both. We both have other outside interests sexually, and I'm more than happy to be a friend, help her out, and enjoy whatever fruits she is willing to share with me.

So we're cuddling in bed the other day and the subject of Sugar Daddies came up. Seems she has a friend from school who talks about SB experiences, and she expressed curiosity about sugaring. I told her I'd done some of that from time to time (her ears perked up), and that I could probably be of assistance if she was serious about finding a potential SD.

She seems pretty serious / excited about wanting this, but I also think mongers will need to be extra respectful with her, and show a bit of patience. And obviously I make no promises about her choices / interests, other than that she does seem like she seems serious about wanting to explore the bowl. She doesn't seem desperate for money, but is maybe in this more for the thrill of it, as well as the obvious extra spending money.

She's tall, thin, blondish, small boobs, cute face, fun attitude, minimal tats. If I had to describe her sexually in one word it would be "fun". She has a good time fucking, and we have a lot of laughs. Not as wild and sex-crazed as some, but pretty willing and adventurous sexually. She likes it.

I told her a bit about what I knew of the bowl, and could pass her number along to guys who I thought were cool and would treat her right, and that I could help her screen guys, and she's on board with at least exploring the idea. I told her to probably expect something at least in the $$ range, and that seemed agreeable, but might also vary based on her interest / attraction / etc. She doesn't want her pics posted online (which I will totally respect), but she's okay if I send pics privately.

Being open to other fun, I'd welcome trades for digits of girls who might be looking for another daddy, but also not required. Feel free to PM me with questions.

[CandyMan555]

Keep hobbying and family finances as separated as possible. Use a card only in your name, set up paperless statements. If you have serious security concerns like a security clearance then nothing you do will hide it, so I say whatever to all this 007 opsec. If Saudis or Israelis want dirt in you they will get it, and if you know they are looking for you then you should exit the sugar game asap.

Our biggest threat is scammers that try for in-person scams as the threat of physical violence is present and very difficult to explain away regardless of the outcome. Opsec for that is pretty simple; burner phones, cash payments, effective pre-meet screening, public meets before private. Don't let them in the car or hotel room until your spidey senses are all green.

Don't use hotels right next to office or home. In the past I've hooked up with girls that live in my general area but I stopped that after running in to one in the grocery store. Thankfully I was alone, and we chatted for a minute, but I left feeling uneasy for sure.

I've discussed using rewards schemes from hotel chains. I use it for the 10 am check in, but now I'm platinum so I get room upgrades and minibar credits which make FC dates even better. Add in the occasional free stay as well. The trade off is my name is connected to a ton of hotel visits. Again, unless you are being targeted you really don't need to worry beyond your cover story for ditching work / family to get that puss.

I've prepared myself for the day the SO gets wise to things, if ever. Don't get greedy and arouse suspicion. Have a budget and stick to it. This is sugar dating so expect to spend some sugar. Don't go into financial ruin for random pussy that can't even cook or clean with their feminine studies degree.

If you come home from banging on some coed and the wife demands sex that evening, suck it up and muster a nut (or fake an orgasm? LOL) lest your wifey will become strifey.

On that, I make enough to be able to afford a divorce and continue sugaring, just not at the rate I do now.

There is a sticky on this forum that compiled all the good advice, read it! It saved me a ton of effort and money.

I opened up an account in a local bank and opened a post office box and all credit card and bank statement go to the p o box I use that credit card for the hotel You have to give your license and home address to the post office so make sure you keep the box paid for. You don't want a notice to your house that you owe money for the p o box. Be safe CM.

[Passport4]

I have been banned before for no good reason so I want to be careful what I put down for the credit card info.

Do I need a valid phone number?

Do I need a valid address?

They have previous info on me so I don't want t loose my money again T.

Thanks CM.

I asked this earlier about which specific card to use and did not get an answer. So in order to take advantage of their Black Friday 25% off, I went to Walgreens and bought a One Vanilla Prepaid Visa Gift Card. I wanted a Mastercard as that is what others had used, but they only had Visa and Amex. I then went and registered the card on the One Vanilla site and used a fake name and the address of the Walgreens. I then tried to activate the 30 days and got rejected several times. I got pretty frustrated, but was determined to keep trying. Then I went back on the One Vanilla Site and then saw there was a place to register a zipcode. I entered the same Walgreens Zip Code that I had previously used, and then went back to SA and it still did not go thru. Then about an hour later, it did. I guess not only do you need to have a registered zip code in your gift card that matches what you give SA, but you need to allow time for their system to get you in the system. Hope this helps.

[ItsAHobby45]

I've been texting with her too. Very off and on. Let me know how it goes.

You can PM me if you want.

Starkey.

I'll post publicly as I don't see her being one of the prized sb's that I keep quiet about until I'm done with them. This will be a one time thing. She sent me some pretty inviting pictures so I just want to stick my dick in her a few times and then I'll lose interest.

Has anyone had any luck with Angelic_Ava? She's ghosted me as I suspect someone from here told her that she was being talked about on this site. I found her on Tinder this morning and her pictures piqued my interest again. She's a little hot piece of ass if anyone can make it happen. She's a server at a restaurant in colonial heights that's geared more towards gentlemen so I may have to stop by and see what she looks like in person before I give her a case of GPS so she'll respond to me and let me fuck her a few times.

[CandyMan555]

I have been banned before for no good reason so I want to be careful what I put down for the credit card info.

Do I need a valid phone number?

Do I need a valid address?

They have previous info on me so I don't want t loose my money again T.

Thanks CM.

[EBob1111]

Keep hobbying and family finances as separated as possible. Use a card only in your name, set up paperless statements. If you have serious security concerns like a security clearance then nothing you do will hide it, so I say whatever to all this 007 opsec. If Saudis or Israelis want dirt in you they will get it, and if you know they are looking for you then you should exit the sugar game asap.

Our biggest threat is scammers that try for in-person scams as the threat of physical violence is present and very difficult to explain away regardless of the outcome. Opsec for that is pretty simple; burner phones, cash payments, effective pre-meet screening, public meets before private. Don't let them in the car or hotel room until your spidey senses are all green.

All good advice. I've come to the decision that I won't use hotels, period. I know I'm probably missing out on some great young college pussy a a result but I still have 4 regulars right now who are all under 30 and have their own place and all fuck like maniacs so that's good enough for me.

As long as I bang my wife a couple times a week there's no suspicion if I use being tired as an excuse on a night when I've already gone 2 or 3 rounds with one of my SBs.

[Starkey 2008]

I've been texting with her too. Very off and on. Let me know how it goes.

You can PM me if you want.

Starkey.

I've been talking to her on snap. She is horrible at communicating and will go days without responding. I'm supposed to meet her at the end of the week but I don't trust that she's actually going to show. This will be the first one that I won't meet in the FC simply because I'm sure she's going to go dark before we meet and I don't want to waste my money.

[ChrisCarr]

What do guys who are married or living with a SO (and who don't travel for business) do for a place to go? It's the rare SB that has a place, especially rare among the college students and under 25 set. Do you rent rooms under your own name and credit card? Seems to me both risky and expensive. In my town, almost any decent place will cost $ or more, so all of a sudden a $2. 5 date becomes a $3. 5 one. Plus having to worry that this is the month your SO decides to randomly open your cc bill when it arrives. Just wondering what the rest of you do.

Keep hobbying and family finances as separated as possible. Use a card only in your name, set up paperless statements. If you have serious security concerns like a security clearance then nothing you do will hide it, so I say whatever to all this 007 opsec. If Saudis or Israelis want dirt in you they will get it, and if you know they are looking for you then you should exit the sugar game asap.

Our biggest threat is scammers that try for in-person scams as the threat of physical violence is present and very difficult to explain away regardless of the outcome. Opsec for that is pretty simple; burner phones, cash payments, effective pre-meet screening, public meets before private. Don't let them in the car or hotel room until your spidey senses are all green.

Don't use hotels right next to office or home. In the past I've hooked up with girls that live in my general area but I stopped that after running in to one in the grocery store. Thankfully I was alone, and we chatted for a minute, but I left feeling uneasy for sure.

I've discussed using rewards schemes from hotel chains. I use it for the 10 am check in, but now I'm platinum so I get room upgrades and minibar credits which make FC dates even better. Add in the occasional free stay as well. The trade off is my name is connected to a ton of hotel visits. Again, unless you are being targeted you really don't need to worry beyond your cover story for ditching work / family to get that puss.

I've prepared myself for the day the SO gets wise to things, if ever. Don't get greedy and arouse suspicion. Have a budget and stick to it. This is sugar dating so expect to spend some sugar. Don't go into financial ruin for random pussy that can't even cook or clean with their feminine studies degree.

If you come home from banging on some coed and the wife demands sex that evening, suck it up and muster a nut (or fake an orgasm? LOL) lest your wifey will become strifey.

On that, I make enough to be able to afford a divorce and continue sugaring, just not at the rate I do now.

There is a sticky on this forum that compiled all the good advice, read it! It saved me a ton of effort and money.

[RVASpider]

I had a similar interaction with Andie. She messaged me on the site first. Her profile looked promising so I messaged back but told her that I was in the RVA and looking for someone local. She then said she lived very near Richmond but mostly met people in DC for discretion. We started texting, she gave me her private pics, etc. Then we set up a coffee date and from the tone of the texts it sounded like FC right after. Literally an hour before the date she texted that she asks for a donation in advance. I texted back that I never give a donation for the meet and greet, if something more happens sure but no expectations. That was the last text. I get the feeling that is her MO. Meet and greet for whatever $ she can get and then she dips.

Same experience for me with her. So many of the hot ones want partial donations up front because they've been "screwed over" or "scammed. " How many guys are falling for these scammers? I assume a few because some of them have been on the site for a while.

[BlueEyedMan58]

What do guys who are married or living with a SO (and who don't travel for business) do for a place to go? It's the rare SB that has a place, especially rare among the college students and under 25 set. Do you rent rooms under your own name and credit card? Seems to me both risky and expensive. In my town, almost any decent place will cost $ or more, so all of a sudden a $2. 5 date becomes a $3. 5 one. Plus having to worry that this is the month your SO decides to randomly open your cc bill when it arrives. Just wondering what the rest of you do.

[ChrisCarr]

I don't know if it's still their policy, but SA and WYP used to give you a warning that they're going to shut down your profile if you make too many complaints. They get thousands of complaints everytime someone gets upset, so they see it as a nuisance. I only report obvious scammers. There's no point in reporting Trans-people. They're on the male and female side of every dating site even Match.com and are apparently accepted. It's a whole new world out there.

Good to know on the over-reporting. I haven't had this issue yet, curious if anyone can confirm.

As for CD trans, it's just not appropriate content. If I wanted to see profiles of dudes in skirts I'd say so. The profiles ask for your sex, not gender identity, so I'd say it is misleading and thus inappropriate profile content.

[BigOne73]

Just a question, do any of you report obvious scammers? I do, and I report online-only and trans / cd's too. I think I've racked up 30 well-constructed reports and dozens more have been submitted without any evidence. In those cases I figure once a handful of users report a profile then the monkeys at seeking get around to checking said profile.

It is really pointless at the end of the day, but I'm banking on the idea that if I'm a user that is behaving responsibly that any revenge-reports f4 om girls will be looked at with credulity towards my efforts to make the site legitimate and safer for users.

I don't know if it's still their policy, but SA and WYP used to give you a warning that they're going to shut down your profile if you make too many complaints. They get thousands of complaints everytime someone gets upset, so they see it as a nuisance. I only report obvious scammers. There's no point in reporting Trans-people. They're on the male and female side of every dating site even Match.com and are apparently accepted. It's a whole new world out there.

[Madaboutmax]

You are saying that 100% of the girls on SA are fake or will never go to the FC? That has not been my experience at all. That is true for many but I'd say it is closer to 75%. I have had several in the under 25 column in the FC recently and am actively talking to quite a few more.

I'm the same. There are a lot more fakes, flakes, platonic only, online online than a few years ago, but probably just as many (or even more) willing to go to the FC. It just takes a little more work to find them among the rubble. Still pretty easy pickings if you have a little game and a clue.

[FanRat]

30% of those profiles are fake, 20% GPS, 20% are platonic, 10% curious underage teens that will never meet. 20% will make plans to fk, but won't follow through because they get a better offer.

You are saying that 100% of the girls on SA are fake or will never go to the FC? That has not been my experience at all. That is true for many but I'd say it is closer to 75%. I have had several in the under 25 column in the FC recently and am actively talking to quite a few more.

[FanRat]

I had a laughable interaction with andromeda-97 over the weekend, and I share it with you for your amusement and as a caution.

https://www.seeking.com/member/3c8d7...a-14431d22ea76

We messaged back and forth a few times on the site, then switched to texting. She seemed like a very nice catch. Great body, tall, smart, pretty. All the things I go for. She mentioned that she'd be in town this week and I suggested we meet for coffee or lunch. She wrote "that's fine with me, but I ask the same allowance regardless of what we do. " I'm thinking "eff no," but out of curiosity I asked what allowance she expected.

She wrote back $200/ hour, with the expectation we'd spend at least 2 hours together per visit (ie, a lunch date OR a visit to the FC would cost me at least $400). I told her I didn't pay my friends to meet for lunch, and she answered "I'm not here for friends or a free lunch. I have both those things already."

I texted her the link to Sirens and told her she should contact them about working through the site, as it would streamline her screening process. She texted back a middle finger and we left it at that.

Beware the GPS, brothers. You never know when it's going to rear its ugly head! Happy hunting.

I had a similar interaction with Andie. She messaged me on the site first. Her profile looked promising so I messaged back but told her that I was in the RVA and looking for someone local. She then said she lived very near Richmond but mostly met people in DC for discretion. We started texting, she gave me her private pics, etc. Then we set up a coffee date and from the tone of the texts it sounded like FC right after. Literally an hour before the date she texted that she asks for a donation in advance. I texted back that I never give a donation for the meet and greet, if something more happens sure but no expectations. That was the last text. I get the feeling that is her MO. Meet and greet for whatever $ she can get and then she dips.