"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Tidad** · 12-02-19 17:51

Originally Posted by WaterBoi [View Original Post]

It happened, gents. I got one that cashed and dashed. I ignored the warning signs and instincts. I got blocked so I can't get the url, but her name on SA is Skycloud850.

I have a feeling she has other profiles. The pic on her profile is accurate and I have a couple more that she sent.

Be careful out there.

Post those other pics?

https://www.seeking.com/member/53a37bb8-c4ab-4f45-9c8d-119a4a63a6e8

**ItsAHobby45** · 12-02-19 17:02

Originally Posted by WaterBoi [View Original Post]

It happened, gents. I got one that cashed and dashed. I ignored the warning signs and instincts. I got blocked so I can't get the url, but her name on SA is Skycloud850.

I have a feeling she has other profiles. The pic on her profile is accurate and I have a couple more that she sent.

Be careful out there.

Can you give her details like age, body type, race, location ect so I can search her and post a link to her profile?

Also what's the long version of the story? Did she demand cash upfront and then leave with it?

**MineTooTell** · 12-02-19 15:14

Guys, looking for some guidance. Been in the hobby for a few years. Spend a lot of time (and $$ with agencies like TG. Looking to get into the SD / SB relationship. Just created a profile on SA. Just a few high-level questions to get me started.

Is there a big LE presences on SA looking for the SD?

For a RVA lady, 19-24 years old and 7-9 on hotness scale, what's a good PPM? I don't want to lowball but also don't want to over pay and set the bar too high for the market.

Any other pointers for to me?

Much appreciated.

**WaterBoi** · 12-02-19 14:26

It happened, gents. I got one that cashed and dashed. I ignored the warning signs and instincts. I got blocked so I can't get the url, but her name on SA is Skycloud850.

I have a feeling she has other profiles. The pic on her profile is accurate and I have a couple more that she sent.

Be careful out there.

**HappyHunter44** · 12-02-19 13:50

Originally Posted by BookerTNelson [View Original Post]

Richmond's PPM is far lower than anything in the DC Metro. I come down to Richmond and my ppm is floating between 100-175. DC pretty much starts around $$ on average and then hotel is always additional as most of them don't host. Va Beach area is about on par with Richmond for the most part, but otherwise you're theory is pretty much on point.

Thanks for the info. So, the 80 miles between Richmond and the DC area does make a difference. Therefore, my location theory holds; ppm rates depend on the % of higher ppm SDs available to the set number of hot SBs. Easily explained by the different economic status between the two areas.

The key here is the set number of SBs. Not all areas have an overflow of SBs, so there will be some medium and smaller areas where a lower number of SBs can command $$5 and $$$ and there are enough SDs to support them. For context, I am only talking about hot SBs (8, 9 and 10's). All markets have lower BP and CL-type SBs, but I am not talking about those.

As for the other posts, I agree that after 400 you run into high class escorts. However, that is age dependent with the exception being the 18 - 20 yr-old college hottie with GPS.

**BookerTNelson** · 12-02-19 10:30

Originally Posted by HappyHunter44 [View Original Post]

The easiest way to visualize the environment is this: the fewer the good job prospects in the town for the local girls and the larger the college population is relative to the town size re the imported college babes, then the cheaper the hot SBs.

Richmond, NOVA and Wash DC kind of become one big market and gravitates toward the higher end of ppm that NOVA and DC command. You all have a lot of college babes, but also a lot of SDs willing to pay higher ppm - not so in medium-sized and smaller towns - fewer higher ppm SDs to go around. My .02.

Richmond's PPM is far lower than anything in the DC Metro. I come down to Richmond and my ppm is floating between 100-175. DC pretty much starts around $$ on average and then hotel is always additional as most of them don't host. Va Beach area is about on par with Richmond for the most part, but otherwise you're theory is pretty much on point.

**TomDickNHarry** · 12-02-19 10:14

Originally Posted by ItsAHobby45 [View Original Post]

When you get into the $400+ amount you typically get the high class escort look which I personally find unappealing and it also comes with a poor attitude because they've caught the gps bug.

This is very true. Expectations like that are actually major red flags of extensive experience and higher mileage. For the true low mileage girls, who do genuinely enjoy their time with you or are at least comfortable with you (big factor for my target type which is also inexperienced 19-22 college undergrads), they don't need or expect you to go to that level. And the few I met who did, even after I talked them down from there to a level I liked (300 my max usually) still gave me an unreal and fun experience. Once they make up their mind to do it, with these types you're going to get their all. They're not pros sitting there thinking I'm making 100 less than I thought I'm not going to please him, and go through the motions. The few times I paid up, I've regretted it the majority of the time as they weren't much fun. There just isn't any correlation there at all in my years of experience.

Now, one caveat, when I do this I'm into pleasers, not princess types. That personality type is a turn off for me in general but I can see how they get off on the idea of being lavished with ultra-generous allowances, expensive gifts, etc. But with the typical girl I do this with, a thoughtful gesture like $15 bottle of her favorite wine sends her over the moon.

**TechSticles** · 12-02-19 10:12

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

There periodically are technical changes that affect our practices. Browsers that can work on SA were discussed a while ago, but there hasn't been a need recently. The safest one, Tor, doesn't work well on SA in my experience. And not at all at times. I have recently been using EPIC, as it has a built-in free VPN. However, now when I try to log on, I get this message: "Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker". I have gone back to Safari in stealth mode, but would appreciate any other ideas. I am just trying to stay safe as possible, minimize the possibility that one website or vendor will be able to link me to something IRL.

Get a separate VPN App for your mobile. Cloudflare Warp works pretty well and it has a free tier. Then use Firefox Focus. You'll have to sign in each time you open it, but should be what you're looking for. Links below. Also, if you use protonmail app you can select Firefox Focus as the default browser. I'm on an iPhone.

1. 1. 1. 1 — The free app that makes your Internet faster. (before anyone says it's not a VPN, read further down the linked page. It has different modes).

https://one.one.one.one/

Firefox Focus Help.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/pr.../focus-firefox

**ArtImperial** · 12-02-19 07:35

Exactly. Both warm and friendly in conversation, and genuinely enjoying the sex too. I've had one without the other, but a girl who brings both is worth some extra (and multiple visits) from me.

Originally Posted by ShoreDog [View Original Post]

Absolutely, attitude is so important to me. They don't need to kiss my ass for the money, but at least be a little nice. Right?

**EBob1111** · 12-02-19 06:21

Originally Posted by RVASpider [View Original Post]

Care to share her profile name? I'm back on SA after a long break and there's a lot of garbage to get through. Feel free to send it through a private message. Thanks.

She's closed her account.

**FarFarAway** · 12-01-19 23:02

There periodically are technical changes that affect our practices. Browsers that can work on SA were discussed a while ago, but there hasn't been a need recently. The safest one, Tor, doesn't work well on SA in my experience. And not at all at times. I have recently been using EPIC, as it has a built-in free VPN. However, now when I try to log on, I get this message: "Please enable JS and disable any ad blocker". I have gone back to Safari in stealth mode, but would appreciate any other ideas. I am just trying to stay safe as possible, minimize the possibility that one website or vendor will be able to link me to something IRL.

**HappyHunter44** · 12-01-19 22:27

Originally Posted by ItsAHobby45 [View Original Post]

I don't have a lot of experience outside of the Richmond area so my theory is based on data from there.

The easiest way to visualize the environment is this: the fewer the good job prospects in the town for the local girls and the larger the college population is relative to the town size re the imported college babes, then the cheaper the hot SBs.

Richmond, NOVA and Wash DC kind of become one big market and gravitates toward the higher end of ppm that NOVA and DC command. You all have a lot of college babes, but also a lot of SDs willing to pay higher ppm - not so in medium-sized and smaller towns - fewer higher ppm SDs to go around. My .02.

**RVASpider** · 12-01-19 21:47

Originally Posted by EBob1111 [View Original Post]

There are definitely all kinds on SA and I met a real gem yesterday. I messaged her last week, took her a day or two to get back to me but we exchanged messages on SA for a bit and then moved to texting. She's a mid-30's professional woman (still more than 10 years younger than I am), pics she shared showed a beautiful face and a nice bikini shot. Says she's a busy professional woman not looking for a relationship or a needy, demanding guy, just someone she's attracted to for some occasional good times. No mention of money at all. Arranged a meet & greet in Short Pump yesterday afternoon, she was there before me and was just as beautiful in person as her pics. Greeted me with a nice warm hug and I couldn't help noticing how stacked she was on top of having a great figure. Great conversationalist between normal topics and some sexual. Turns out she's not interested in receiving money at all, the fact that I was about the only guy on SA who didn't offer her money was the reason she met with me before closing her account yesterday. She's also equally into women as she is into men and asked if I like threesomes (FFM) and FC will be her house. Told me the hottest thing ever would be her getting eaten out by her lady friend while I fuck her friend from behind. We both had to be somewhere else afterwards so no visit to the FC this time be we made plans for next week. Gave her a nice deep kiss before leaving and she texted me later to tell me how wet that made her, along with a nice full nude pic. Sexted a big longer, then she said she was going to play with herself thinking about me. Totally different scenario than 99% of the girls on SA but right up my alley.

As an aside, no offense to any of you but there are some really sick fucks on SA from what some of these girls have told me LOL. She said one guy offered her money to watch him suck his buddy's dick. Another girl told me about a guy who wanted to put his dick in an apple and have her stomp on it. Not judging anyone but no wonder a lot of these girls get jaded.

Care to share her profile name? I'm back on SA after a long break and there's a lot of garbage to get through. Feel free to send it through a private message. Thanks.

**ItsAHobby45** · 12-01-19 20:42

Originally Posted by HappyHunter44 [View Original Post]

I would venture you are correct, but you are omitting one major price point factor: location. In mid-size and smaller towns, the hotter babes still find it hard to command 200 - 250 ppm on a regular basis; just not enough higher ppm SDs around.

Where I am, hot ones can be had for 100 - 150 ppm if you have decent game. For example, just 50 miles east of me, the going rate is 300, but the same SB's hot sorority sister could be had for 100 just going 30 miles west of me. That 80 miles really affects the price point for the same hot babe. We have similar tastes BTW.

I don't have a lot of experience outside of the Richmond area so my theory is based on data from there. When I search SA I search a 50 mile radius. I travel for business regularly and have tried to line up sb's to see on the road but I've found that to be difficult because of the time it takes to find one that I'm interested in and convince her to meet me. I will only meet at the FC so that eliminates a lot of potentials that want a neutral meeting place. When you get one to agree to a FC meeting you better be ready to meet within a day or two max or you'll never see her. One of my favorite sb's I've met lives about 75 miles from Richmond but listed her location Richmond so she still came up in my search. She's a 22 yo gorgeous first year middle school teacher. Met her in her house at our first meeting and she was great. We've met a few times since then and she meets me halfway now and I get a room. We've both expressed interest in a more traditional relationship but I think that's a bad idea so I haven't pursued it at all. She's from a small town and we've always done a $250 ppm.