"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[ItsAHobby45]

I would venture you are correct, but you are omitting one major price point factor: location. In mid-size and smaller towns, the hotter babes still find it hard to command 200 - 250 ppm on a regular basis; just not enough higher ppm SDs around.

Where I am, hot ones can be had for 100 - 150 ppm if you have decent game. For example, just 50 miles east of me, the going rate is 300, but the same SB's hot sorority sister could be had for 100 just going 30 miles west of me. That 80 miles really affects the price point for the same hot babe. We have similar tastes BTW.

I don't have a lot of experience outside of the Richmond area so my theory is based on data from there. When I search SA I search a 50 mile radius. I travel for business regularly and have tried to line up sb's to see on the road but I've found that to be difficult because of the time it takes to find one that I'm interested in and convince her to meet me. I will only meet at the FC so that eliminates a lot of potentials that want a neutral meeting place. When you get one to agree to a FC meeting you better be ready to meet within a day or two max or you'll never see her. One of my favorite sb's I've met lives about 75 miles from Richmond but listed her location Richmond so she still came up in my search. She's a 22 yo gorgeous first year middle school teacher. Met her in her house at our first meeting and she was great. We've met a few times since then and she meets me halfway now and I get a room. We've both expressed interest in a more traditional relationship but I think that's a bad idea so I haven't pursued it at all. She's from a small town and we've always done a $250 ppm.

[WaterBoi]

DTF, just too many tattoos and the blue hair doesn't work for me. Message me for digits.

https://www.seeking.com/messages/inb...5-5ed69878ffb4

[WaterBoi]

Any Intel on Zebra101? I'm getting a pro vibe, wanting to meet asap, limited conversation, etc. Her pics look good, but has anyone gotten any playtime with her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/ba292...c-c34efbf4f1eb

[HappyHunter44]

I'm sure there will be a lot of guys that will say I'm wrong and that there are plenty of hot (9/10) girls with great personalities and attitudes that will do 100 ppm but I've yet to find a single one and I've spent A LOT of time and money on this hobby in the past few months.

I would venture you are correct, but you are omitting one major price point factor: location. In mid-size and smaller towns, the hotter babes still find it hard to command 200 - 250 ppm on a regular basis; just not enough higher ppm SDs around.

Where I am, hot ones can be had for 100 - 150 ppm if you have decent game. For example, just 50 miles east of me, the going rate is 300, but the same SB's hot sorority sister could be had for 100 just going 30 miles west of me. That 80 miles really affects the price point for the same hot babe. We have similar tastes BTW.

[DCSeeker]

Can someone be very specific which card worked when using a fake name and address but registering with a zip code. There are several One Vanilla cards and I do not want to buy the wrong one. I got a Black Friday specific welcome back offer with 25% off and plan to buy it by the offer expiration tomorrow so I do not want to buy the wrong card. Thank you in advance.

I got the $100 Mastercard OneVanilla and it worked. Used fake address.

[ShoreDog]

Totally agree that the lower price girls are lower quality, higher mileage. And agree with your "type" (younger, thinner, "cleaner" But I've found a few who fit more or less into that type who are not only physically appealing, but also fun and into the fun and seem to really like being there, and who want more $$ in exchange for that attitude. I'm happy to spend a little more to get a girl who at least makes me feel like she's really happy to be there, and who really wants the fun.

Absolutely, attitude is so important to me. They don't need to kiss my ass for the money, but at least be a little nice. Right?

[BigOne73]

I pretty much agree. I think a lot of the spending attitudes come from whatever philosophy you approach P-4-P with. If you are looking to get the absolute lowest price you can for pussy, then that's the negotiating practice you lead with. I sort of like everyone involved in a transaction to feel like they got what they needed. I've found that $200-250 is pretty reasonable and will net a lot of hot chicks that wouldn't earn that much in two days at whatever service job they are working. Plus, if you aren't a dick, you can go a long way towards getting a happy attitude from the girl.

Don't get me wrong, they are hookers. They just don't seem to know it, and I don't go out of my way to remind them that they are.

I think every girl would get paid for sex if they could, they just don't like the stigma of certain words. They'd rather be considered "sluts" because it's semi-acceptable. The word "prostitute" is just to much for them to handle.

[ArtImperial]

Totally agree that the lower price girls are lower quality, higher mileage. And agree with your "type" (younger, thinner, "cleaner" But I've found a few who fit more or less into that type who are not only physically appealing, but also fun and into the fun and seem to really like being there, and who want more $$ in exchange for that attitude. I'm happy to spend a little more to get a girl who at least makes me feel like she's really happy to be there, and who really wants the fun.

This has been the complete opposite of my experiences I've had with seeking girls. I'm up to 15-20 girls and I've only been on seeking for 3 months. I'm very picky with my sb's and will only see 18-22 yo, thin, caucasian, limited tattoos and piercings. From what I have experienced there seems to be a sweet spot of around $200-250 ppm to find a low mileage sb that's very attractive and has a good friendly attitude. The lower the ppm amount ($100-200) you'll typically get the less attractive, higher mileage girls with more of pro attitude. When you get into the $400+ amount you typically get the high class escort look which I personally find unappealing and it also comes with a poor attitude because they've caught the gps bug.

I'm sure there will be a lot of guys that will say I'm wrong and that there are plenty of hot (9/10) girls with great personalities and attitudes that will do 100 ppm but I've yet to find a single one and I've spent A LOT of time and money on this hobby in the past few months. I'm a relatively young, well mannered and attractive guy so I don't think that factors into my lack of success.

[TechSticles]

This has been the complete opposite of my experiences I've had with seeking girls. I'm up to 15-20 girls and I've only been on seeking for 3 months. I'm very picky with my sb's and will only see 18-22 yo, thin, caucasian, limited tattoos and piercings. From what I have experienced there seems to be a sweet spot of around $200-250 ppm to find a low mileage sb that's very attractive and has a good friendly attitude. The lower the ppm amount ($100-200) you'll typically get the less attractive, higher mileage girls with more of pro attitude. When you get into the $400+ amount you typically get the high class escort look which I personally find unappealing and it also comes with a poor attitude because they've caught the gps bug.

I'm sure there will be a lot of guys that will say I'm wrong and that there are plenty of hot (9/10) girls with great personalities and attitudes that will do 100 ppm but I've yet to find a single one and I've spent A LOT of time and money on this hobby in the past few months. I'm a relatively young, well mannered and attractive guy so I don't think that factors into my lack of success.

I pretty much agree. I think a lot of the spending attitudes come from whatever philosophy you approach P-4-P with. If you are looking to get the absolute lowest price you can for pussy, then that's the negotiating practice you lead with. I sort of like everyone involved in a transaction to feel like they got what they needed. I've found that $200-250 is pretty reasonable and will net a lot of hot chicks that wouldn't earn that much in two days at whatever service job they are working. Plus, if you aren't a dick, you can go a long way towards getting a happy attitude from the girl.

Don't get me wrong, they are hookers. They just don't seem to know it, and I don't go out of my way to remind them that they are.

[ItsAHobby45]

Totally true. Partly the hotness factor, but the personality even more. I don't mind paying a little to make sure a quality girl is happy and is getting what she wants. That's why we're here.

This has been the complete opposite of my experiences I've had with seeking girls. I'm up to 15-20 girls and I've only been on seeking for 3 months. I'm very picky with my sb's and will only see 18-22 yo, thin, caucasian, limited tattoos and piercings. From what I have experienced there seems to be a sweet spot of around $200-250 ppm to find a low mileage sb that's very attractive and has a good friendly attitude. The lower the ppm amount ($100-200) you'll typically get the less attractive, higher mileage girls with more of pro attitude. When you get into the $400+ amount you typically get the high class escort look which I personally find unappealing and it also comes with a poor attitude because they've caught the gps bug.

I'm sure there will be a lot of guys that will say I'm wrong and that there are plenty of hot (9/10) girls with great personalities and attitudes that will do 100 ppm but I've yet to find a single one and I've spent A LOT of time and money on this hobby in the past few months. I'm a relatively young, well mannered and attractive guy so I don't think that factors into my lack of success.

[Passport4]

Can someone be very specific which card worked when using a fake name and address but registering with a zip code. There are several One Vanilla cards and I do not want to buy the wrong one. I got a Black Friday specific welcome back offer with 25% off and plan to buy it by the offer expiration tomorrow so I do not want to buy the wrong card. Thank you in advance.

[RegularJoe1985]

Yes! Worked like a charm. I got the $100 Mastercard OneVanilla.

Thanks,

Tried again this morning and it went through with no issues.

Am aware of registering the card. Had used the same one sometime back. But couldn't get it to work yesterday.

[ArtImperial]

Totally true. Partly the hotness factor, but the personality even more. I don't mind paying a little to make sure a quality girl is happy and is getting what she wants. That's why we're here.

That's not unreasonable as long as she's really hot and I've seen her in person at a meet and greet. I've always been able to get a 500 girl to go down to 400 or 450. Just beware, if you bargain a girl down on the price, she's not going to be as motivated to make you happy. You get what you pay for on SA. Just like a steak, I'll pay extra for quality.

[TopGun9]

Hello,

Had let my SA membership lapse and wanted to renew. Tried to use the same Vanilla card that I used before and this time SA cannot process the payment.

Has anyone tried using OneVanilla card recently?

Yes! Worked like a charm. I got the $100 Mastercard OneVanilla.

[JamesBlond007]

Hello,

Had let my SA membership lapse and wanted to renew. Tried to use the same Vanilla card that I used before and this time SA cannot process the payment.

Has anyone tried using OneVanilla card recently?

I have, it works. You just need to put in a (fake) address and make sure the zip code matches where your profile is. Put in "Gift Card" or whatever for the name.