"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[SeekingHead]

Is really good advice. I've actually met a potential SB at a sushi restaurant and couldn't talk about arrangements for the exact reason you mention. Not only was it open seating and everyone could hear us, but several of the older dudes in the lunch crowd were scoping us out. I mean, we didn't exactly match up for a couple. Especially in the neck of the woods we were hanging out in, me in my blazer and her in short shorts and a tank top. .

I don't normally talk to them about arrangements on the meet & greet, I just want to size them up & make sure they are not on heavy drugs, fat, or batshit crazy. After the meet & greet I'll text them about the arrangement. Also really lowers the chance of getting busted if they are police & running a sting, the next date is usually a dinner date where the allowance starts & she gets her knees dirty.

[Leep12]

They are asking Sugar Daddies to film their encounters with girls they screen online. What could go wrong?

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5c389431ab97d

That being said, I have made a ton of awesome private vids with my gals. Anyone else do that?

I've made a few videos. I had one SB that just randomly grabbed her I-phone and and reached back between her legs to video the action when I was pounding her in k-9. Then she passed the camera to me to vid from my angle. I was kind of surprised, we did a few more in the next meetings. Pretty sure she has a Porn Hub account she uploads to. That shit is popular with young Millennials.

[TechSticles]

First of all, I would not advise anyone to take any of those chic's out to any good restaurants on the first date. Why? You don't know what kind of mentality or attitude this chic may have. Suppose you take her to the mid-level thai restaurant and she starts talking all loud about the arrangement and everyone can hear all of you business in the restaurant. What will you do then? You'll be looking about 3 feet small and trying to dig up an excuse to get out of there.

I once met a chic at McDonalds, per her request. I got in there and the skeezer started talking loud as shit about us getting a hotel and doing our business. Man, I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Suppose I invited her to the mid level thai restaurant. Everyone in the restaurant would be looking at me like I'm some sex predator or something. Your best bet is to meet them at a mall food court (Lennox Mall) or a public park somewhere.

There's nothing cheap about meeting them at Lennox Mall as all of them know about Lennox Mall. You taking them to these mid or high level restaurant is opening yourself up to embarrasment, exploitation (her thinking she can run up the bill on you or her thinking that you're going to give her a high allowance). Bottom line. You're in charge! These chic's are looking for money from you. Not the other way around. It doesn't matter where you meet her on the 1st date. You're just setting up the arrangement there. If she comes in the restaurant 50 lbs heavier than the pics and 20 teeth lighter, you're going to be embarrassed as hell sitting with her at the restaurant. I would never advise anyone to go all out on a meet and greet.

Lastly, how can you pay a chic's monthly rent of $900, but advise against committing to a car note which is 9 times out of 10 much lower than rent payment. How does that one work? I would rather pay a $400/ month car note than a $900/ month rent payment. Smdh.

Is really good advice. I've actually met a potential SB at a sushi restaurant and couldn't talk about arrangements for the exact reason you mention. Not only was it open seating and everyone could hear us, but several of the older dudes in the lunch crowd were scoping us out. I mean, we didn't exactly match up for a couple. Especially in the neck of the woods we were hanging out in, me in my blazer and her in short shorts and a tank top. .

[SeekingHead]

Thanks to all for the helpful tips.

I guess a burner phone is pretty manditory for this hobby?

Married or partner around then a burner phone is a good idea. I have a burner gmail account I use for texting & calls. If your single then a normal phone with a burner app # is gtg.

[Apollo007]

Thanks to all for the helpful tips.

I guess a burner phone is pretty manditory for this hobby?

[Leep12]

First of all, I would not advise anyone to take any of those chic's out to any good restaurants on the first date. Why? You don't know what kind of mentality or attitude this chic may have. Suppose you take her to the mid-level thai restaurant and she starts talking all loud about the arrangement and everyone can hear all of you business in the restaurant. What will you do then? You'll be looking about 3 feet small and trying to dig up an excuse to get out of there.

I once met a chic at McDonalds, per her request. I got in there and the skeezer started talking loud as shit about us getting a hotel and doing our business. Man, I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Suppose I invited her to the mid level thai restaurant. Everyone in the restaurant would be looking at me like I'm some sex predator or something. Your best bet is to meet them at a mall food court (Lennox Mall) or a public park somewhere.

There's nothing cheap about meeting them at Lennox Mall as all of them know about Lennox Mall. You taking them to these mid or high level restaurant is opening yourself up to embarrasment, exploitation (her thinking she can run up the bill on you or her thinking that you're going to give her a high allowance). Bottom line. You're in charge! These chic's are looking for money from you. Not the other way around. It doesn't matter where you meet her on the 1st date. You're just setting up the arrangement there. If she comes in the restaurant 50 lbs heavier than the pics and 20 teeth lighter, you're going to be embarrassed as hell sitting with her at the restaurant. I would never advise anyone to go all out on a meet and greet.

Lastly, how can you pay a chic's monthly rent of $900, but advise against committing to a car note which is 9 times out of 10 much lower than rent payment. How does that one work? I would rather pay a $400/ month car note than a $900/ month rent payment. Smdh.

Just FYI. I personally always try to find a Mexican place with the private high booths, or Ted's Montana grill has nice booths, doing intel on this is worthwhile.

If you can't be comfortable talking and doing our biz it's not worth a $5. 00 Happy Meal.

[The Bobster]

I know him. One of my babies worked for him and another worked at the bar next store. Let's just say I am surprised this girl was 21.

When you say he went off on her online. What site, this site?

She was on SA as well as Snapchat. She closed both accounts due to his inability to handle rejection.

[TallGuy3000]

I've had a lot of success on seeking arrangements it usually takes about 20 to 45 days to find a consistent girl from the time you join. By this you will probably do a couple of meet & greets plus a couple of NSA dates where you have sex. I usually try to do a meet & greet at a mid scale thai or sushi place for lunch, & then a follow up either dinner or lunch date where you have sex. It was kinda of embarrassing at a thai place I went to Savannah as I kept bringing 20 to 30 year olds in for lunch, so much the waiter recognized me & he had to know what was up. Once I find a girl who fits what I am looking or I will typically stay with them for about 6 months before I tire of them or they move on.

After messaging them & getting a response, try to meet asap. I can't emphasize this enough, like within 72 hours, strike while the iron is hot.

Things I look for after a couple of dates.

STD testing so I can bareback. I don't need birth control as I'm snipped, I am not going to commit to a girl unless we are barebacking, condoms to me are a killer.

Willingness to hang out & have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship, by this I mean we spend 2 to 6 hours together or overnights plus trips. I am not looking for her to look at her watch constantly so she can get out the door. I want her to enjoy her time with me, if she doesn't then it's a deal breaker.

Profile photos, I would get a few photos of yourself in business attire, such as a suit & tie or something similar where you are looking sharp. No bathroom selfies, drop a couple of hundred on a craigslist photographer. Use these photos only for SA. I'd say 70% of the young hotties have the idea of a business exec. As their sugardaddy type. I hate sterotypes but I can't emphasize this enough.

Here are some hard & fast rules for SA.

1.) Always do a free meet & greet, I would usually meet at a mid-level thai or sushi place. Mid-level restaurants were always a good to meet for lunch dates as it indicated you had enough money for a sugar relationship, plus it impresses them a bit. If you can't eat the cost of a $40 meal then SA isn't the place for you.

Pretty much the same model I follow, with a couple exceptions.

I used to do lunches as my initial M&G. I've since moved to coffee or sometimes drinks. Always in a public place, obviously. And rarely expect anything more. I set that expectation right up front, and tell them I'm looking for a connection first with mind blowing intimacy to follow. They usually want to talk allowance right up front. And I tell them we need to do ppm initially to be sure it works for both of us. And usually target 200 for starters. I'm usually able to make it more in the 150 range. That's worked well for me, with 2 in the current rotation, and 2 others vying to be on the A Team.

I typically look for single MILF's or neglected housewives. They've been some of my greatest finds. One current gal has 4 kids, a vanilla neglectful hubby, and craves exploring her submissive side. She's probably a candidate for future group activity.

Just my $. 02.

[TechSticles]

I've had a lot of success on seeking arrangements it usually takes about 20 to 45 days to find a consistent girl from the time you join. By this you will probably do a couple of meet & greets plus a couple of NSA dates where you have sex. I usually try to do a meet & greet at a mid scale thai or sushi place for lunch, & then a follow up either dinner or lunch date where you have sex. It was kinda of embarrassing at a thai place I went to Savannah as I kept bringing 20 to 30 year olds in for lunch, so much the waiter recognized me & he had to know what was up. Once I find a girl who fits what I am looking or I will typically stay with them for about 6 months before I tire of them or they move on.
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Much of this describes my most fulfilling and fun SB relationships. Better to free-style it if possible, but I agree about the way the relationship needs to go. I don't want a "girlfriend" but I also don't just want an on-call hooker. If that makes sense. I mean, they are hookers, but often don't seem to know it. .

[LogJammin18]

Found out from one of my friends. Apparently, she didn't get a good vibe from him, and cancelled a meet and greet. Guy went off on her online, which confirmed her suspicions.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...ISwKFrIZlAs0H/

Bobster. Clear out your inbox. I got something for you.

[LogJammin18]

They are asking Sugar Daddies to film their encounters with girls they screen online. What could go wrong?

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h5c389431ab97d

That being said, I have made a ton of awesome private vids with my gals. Anyone else do that?

[LogJammin18]

Found out from one of my friends. Apparently, she didn't get a good vibe from him, and cancelled a meet and greet. Guy went off on her online, which confirmed her suspicions.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...ISwKFrIZlAs0H/

I know him. One of my babies worked for him and another worked at the bar next store. Let's just say I am surprised this girl was 21.

When you say he went off on her online. What site, this site?

[The Bobster]

Found out from one of my friends. Apparently, she didn't get a good vibe from him, and cancelled a meet and greet. Guy went off on her online, which confirmed her suspicions.

https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/...ISwKFrIZlAs0H/

[Johnny Mapalo]

I've had a lot of success on seeking arrangements it usually takes about 20 to 45 days to find a consistent girl from the time you join. By this you will probably do a couple of meet & greets plus a couple of NSA dates where you have sex. I usually try to do a meet & greet at a mid scale thai or sushi place for lunch, & then a follow up either dinner or lunch date where you have sex. It was kinda of embarrassing at a thai place I went to Savannah as I kept bringing 20 to 30 year olds in for lunch, so much the waiter recognized me & he had to know what was up. Once I find a girl who fits what I am looking or I will typically stay with them for about 6 months before I tire of them or they move on.

After messaging them & getting a response, try to meet asap. I can't emphasize this enough, like within 72 hours, strike while the iron is hot.

Things I look for after a couple of dates.

STD testing so I can bareback. I don't need birth control as I'm snipped, I am not going to commit to a girl unless we are barebacking, condoms to me are a killer.

Willingness to hang out & have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship, by this I mean we spend 2 to 6 hours together or overnights plus trips. I am not looking for her to look at her watch constantly so she can get out the door. I want her to enjoy her time with me, if she doesn't then it's a deal breaker.

Profile photos, I would get a few photos of yourself in business attire, such as a suit & tie or something similar where you are looking sharp. No bathroom selfies, drop a couple of hundred on a craigslist photographer. Use these photos only for SA. I'd say 70% of the young hotties have the idea of a business exec. As their sugardaddy type. I hate sterotypes but I can't emphasize this enough.

Here are some hard & fast rules for SA.

1.) Always do a free meet & greet, I would usually meet at a mid-level thai or sushi place. Mid-level restaurants were always a good to meet for lunch dates as it indicated you had enough money for a sugar relationship, plus it impresses them a bit. If you can't eat the cost of a $40 meal then SA isn't the place for you.

2.) Almost afterwards within a day if I wanted to move forward, I would negotiate on the arrangement. My PPM pricing model.

$150 to $175 for single mom's working retail was my opener, usually $150 to $200 per meet was good for them as $1 k a month for most of them is a huge deal. When talking to them try to get intel about her situation.

$200 to $300 for college girls & under 30 single women. This was good for 90% of all women in the area.

Hotties, 8 to 10 under 30's. Usually between $250 to $500 ppm.

A lot of times, I would open with a higher price of say $400 for the first visit but then $250 going forward, this worked with my last sugar girlfriend.

A good market guide to a monthly allowance is, the monthly price of rent in their area. If the girl is in Alpharetta, then they are going to ask more than a girl in Covington, this is just things I have learned. Plus the hotness factor comes into play.

Also any women who wants $1500 ppm, is a hooker first sugarbaby second. This is usually the amount high end call girls want for a all nighter.

3.) Always be respectful, I've had over 10 women circle back to me after we couldn't agree on a price initially but they came back within a couple of weeks due to them learning about "market conditions". A lot of girls have this Julie Roberts idea of where they are going to find a Richard Gere type who will give them $5 k ppm. Atlanta isn't hollywood girlfriend.

4.) Monthly, don't jump into a monthly without 2 to 4 PPM's. I've been burned a couple of times by this. The hottest girl I've ever had sex with was off of SA, & I was paying her around $2 k a month in allowance, she was a solid 9 but only 4 foot 8 inches, if she was 5'1 or 5'2 she would have been just out of model category. At this point, it evolves into a girlfriend relationship or I'm out. I want to see them from 6 to 12 times a month, informal with me calling them at 8 & coming over for a booty call situation. I make this clear from the time an allowance is discussed. I had a girl who I was with for a year to a point it was boyfriend / girlfriend, & this was the arrangement, I would pay her rent which was $900 a month, & then throw her $50 to $100 everytime we were together. She was a single mom around a solid 8, & liked to party, dance clubs, nightlife, concerts etc.

Do not under any circumstances commit to a car note or anything czy like that. Always pay in cash, you don't want a paper trail until you move to a monthly amount.

First of all, I would not advise anyone to take any of those chic's out to any good restaurants on the first date. Why? You don't know what kind of mentality or attitude this chic may have. Suppose you take her to the mid-level thai restaurant and she starts talking all loud about the arrangement and everyone can hear all of you business in the restaurant. What will you do then? You'll be looking about 3 feet small and trying to dig up an excuse to get out of there.

I once met a chic at McDonalds, per her request. I got in there and the skeezer started talking loud as shit about us getting a hotel and doing our business. Man, I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Suppose I invited her to the mid level thai restaurant. Everyone in the restaurant would be looking at me like I'm some sex predator or something. Your best bet is to meet them at a mall food court (Lennox Mall) or a public park somewhere.

There's nothing cheap about meeting them at Lennox Mall as all of them know about Lennox Mall. You taking them to these mid or high level restaurant is opening yourself up to embarrasment, exploitation (her thinking she can run up the bill on you or her thinking that you're going to give her a high allowance). Bottom line. You're in charge! These chic's are looking for money from you. Not the other way around. It doesn't matter where you meet her on the 1st date. You're just setting up the arrangement there. If she comes in the restaurant 50 lbs heavier than the pics and 20 teeth lighter, you're going to be embarrassed as hell sitting with her at the restaurant. I would never advise anyone to go all out on a meet and greet.

Lastly, how can you pay a chic's monthly rent of $900, but advise against committing to a car note which is 9 times out of 10 much lower than rent payment. How does that one work? I would rather pay a $400/ month car note than a $900/ month rent payment. Smdh.

[SeekingHead]

Just got out of a LTR and looking for some help, advice, coaching. I'm 55 and in pretty good shape and reasonable attractive (if that matters). I had a couple of SB back in the days when CL was a resource, but now I'm back and trying to stream line these adventrues. I'm looking for the hard bodies, which I'm sure come as a higher price. Is 200 a good ceiling?

I see most of the post are from SA, does anyone use SB?

Are the girls closer to the 18 yr range easier, less expensive, more challaging targets, then say the mid to late 20 year olds?

What is the nomral turn around time once you start exchanging messages before you meet? Does it really matter where you meet?

I guess you estiblish before the meet "I'm looking for NSA adult fun"?

Anything else I need to know, please share.

I've had a lot of success on seeking arrangements it usually takes about 20 to 45 days to find a consistent girl from the time you join. By this you will probably do a couple of meet & greets plus a couple of NSA dates where you have sex. I usually try to do a meet & greet at a mid scale thai or sushi place for lunch, & then a follow up either dinner or lunch date where you have sex. It was kinda of embarrassing at a thai place I went to Savannah as I kept bringing 20 to 30 year olds in for lunch, so much the waiter recognized me & he had to know what was up. Once I find a girl who fits what I am looking or I will typically stay with them for about 6 months before I tire of them or they move on.

After messaging them & getting a response, try to meet asap. I can't emphasize this enough, like within 72 hours, strike while the iron is hot.

Things I look for after a couple of dates.

STD testing so I can bareback. I don't need birth control as I'm snipped, I am not going to commit to a girl unless we are barebacking, condoms to me are a killer.

Willingness to hang out & have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend relationship, by this I mean we spend 2 to 6 hours together or overnights plus trips. I am not looking for her to look at her watch constantly so she can get out the door. I want her to enjoy her time with me, if she doesn't then it's a deal breaker.

Profile photos, I would get a few photos of yourself in business attire, such as a suit & tie or something similar where you are looking sharp. No bathroom selfies, drop a couple of hundred on a craigslist photographer. Use these photos only for SA. I'd say 70% of the young hotties have the idea of a business exec. As their sugardaddy type. I hate sterotypes but I can't emphasize this enough.

Here are some hard & fast rules for SA.

1.) Always do a free meet & greet, I would usually meet at a mid-level thai or sushi place. Mid-level restaurants were always a good to meet for lunch dates as it indicated you had enough money for a sugar relationship, plus it impresses them a bit. If you can't eat the cost of a $40 meal then SA isn't the place for you.

2.) Almost afterwards within a day if I wanted to move forward, I would negotiate on the arrangement. My PPM pricing model.

$150 to $175 for single mom's working retail was my opener, usually $150 to $200 per meet was good for them as $1 k a month for most of them is a huge deal. When talking to them try to get intel about her situation.

$200 to $300 for college girls & under 30 single women. This was good for 90% of all women in the area.

Hotties, 8 to 10 under 30's. Usually between $250 to $500 ppm.

A lot of times, I would open with a higher price of say $400 for the first visit but then $250 going forward, this worked with my last sugar girlfriend.

A good market guide to a monthly allowance is, the monthly price of rent in their area. If the girl is in Alpharetta, then they are going to ask more than a girl in Covington, this is just things I have learned. Plus the hotness factor comes into play.

Also any women who wants $1500 ppm, is a hooker first sugarbaby second. This is usually the amount high end call girls want for a all nighter.

3.) Always be respectful, I've had over 10 women circle back to me after we couldn't agree on a price initially but they came back within a couple of weeks due to them learning about "market conditions". A lot of girls have this Julie Roberts idea of where they are going to find a Richard Gere type who will give them $5 k ppm. Atlanta isn't hollywood girlfriend.

4.) Monthly, don't jump into a monthly without 2 to 4 PPM's. I've been burned a couple of times by this. The hottest girl I've ever had sex with was off of SA, & I was paying her around $2 k a month in allowance, she was a solid 9 but only 4 foot 8 inches, if she was 5'1 or 5'2 she would have been just out of model category. At this point, it evolves into a girlfriend relationship or I'm out. I want to see them from 6 to 12 times a month, informal with me calling them at 8 & coming over for a booty call situation. I make this clear from the time an allowance is discussed. I had a girl who I was with for a year to a point it was boyfriend / girlfriend, & this was the arrangement, I would pay her rent which was $900 a month, & then throw her $50 to $100 everytime we were together. She was a single mom around a solid 8, & liked to party, dance clubs, nightlife, concerts etc.

Do not under any circumstances commit to a car note or anything carzy like that. Always pay in cash, you don't want a paper trail until you move to a monthly amount.