"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

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Makes you wonder about Steve Martin a little. He wrote the novella and the screenplay for the movie.

My guess is that Martin was projecting his sugar relationships onto the big screen. He must have been a SD for years before he wrote that script.

[TomDickNHarry]

One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl!

I explain this to many newbies I meet, both those I'm interested in and especially those that I'm not b / c they are about to learn the hard way LOL. It is part negotiating tactic for me with the ones I like, but it's also the truth. I've had some that understand it.

[TechSticles]

Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.

Makes you wonder about Steve Martin a little. He wrote the novella and the screenplay for the movie.

[TechSticles]

Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, especially those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.

Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.

No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.

A2

No offense taken. I have accepted this possibility, but at the end of the day, you do what you can do and hope for the best. God knows I've grabbed a chick or two that was getting a fully funded ride by their biological daddy.

[Ernest Ll]

This is definitely NOT a Man's Perspective, but valuable to know what women are being told is considered "Average".

I never considered AVERAGE to be a disqualifier, but I do consider size 12 and up to be a disqualifier.

But if women usually shave a little off their age / size to be more appealing, AVERAGE is pretty much a no go at this point!

https://www.upworthy.com/size-14-is-...omYvzc-5GEypRo

[Ernest Ll]

Usually fairly early on in messaging, I ask "How did you learn of this site?

If the answer is "A friend told me" or some variation, the immediate follow up is "so she has explained to you the dynamic and expectations of an arrangement?" which easily opens the door to allowance, activities, etc.

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a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.

I encounter those girls on SA all the time.

Mom and dad aren't going to buy them the LV bag, but they need it and other stuff for their Instagram pics.

It's the same reason why so many 20-somethings bought tickets to the Fyre Festival.

If you can tap into that need in a SB, you're set. They will suck a mile of dick to look good on social media.

I often ask SBs where they would like to go to get the best food or seating / view pics for dinner. They almost always take me up on it, and spend more time taking pics than eating food. They love rooftop restaurants.

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I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.

I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).

No matter how you do it, free-styling is an excellent way to find new talent.

Most every girl knows about sugaring, but many are afraid to take the leap and join Seeking. They all know about the site, and probably know or have heard of someone who did it.

If you can give them a gentle nudge, they will likely take the leap.

By propositioning them, you are also stroking their ego. That's the fastest way into a girl's pants.

Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.

[TechSticles]

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, especially those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.

Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.

No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.

A2

[TopGun9]

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My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.

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That right there is your ticket buddy.

If you have the time and the game, go recruit locally. Girls working minimum wage at restaurants, retail stores, McD, DD, etc. You can have them for way cheaper than the SA girls and much less mileage. Without the hassle of spending countless hours working through the fakes, scams, and pros on SA. Girls on SA are already there to sell pussies, to the highest bidders.

If you can, go work on those McD, DD, and BK girls. 100 to them is a lot of cash, and being treated well by a nice older guy is a bonus.

[FarFarAway]

I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.

I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.

I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.

I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.

I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).

[BagIt]

Smart move. I'm consistently looking for SB's in public. It works less than a 10% rate but when they work, they're amazing. Baristas, waitresses, etc are all ones I normally attempt with. Most successful in person attempt was with a CVS clerk. I always picked up my SA gift card from her and since we normally had decent conversations at 9 am with no one around, I asked if she ever got curious why I come in for the GC's and she basically handed the P over that evening over drinks.

Keep your eyes open fellas.

So when you asked her if she got curious about gift card what did you tell her and what had her willing to drop her pants that night?

[Dash]

I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.

All girls sooner or later figure out that they can be paid for something they like to do; some take the plunge and many more don't.

The one I met was very pretty and 21 the first time I saw her naked; she didn't ask for any specific amount of money, I just gave her a Benjamin and she was very happy.

Some tidbits: she treated me at first as a boyfriend and introduced me to her hot sister among others. When she texted me that she was broke I would remind her if she saw me in person she would have the money she needed. It was clear that she was sometimes unwilling to actually fuck for money or give head for money even though she desperately wanted money. I believe she had a boyfriend but she would look for me when she was pissed off at him.

One time I met her friend with her and we went to Dunkin donuts; the friend was 36 and not as hot, a chubby girl. I ended up fucking her too but I gave her only a Grant because she wasn't hot and I didn't care if she stopped seeing me. She would come up on her day off during the week. So, it's clear "there's no trust among thieves. " I have not told baby #1 about screwing her chubby friend.

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.

I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.

My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.

I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.

[BookerTNelson]

This is a great topic.

First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.

Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.

Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).

Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl!

This is a nice topic we've bumped into.

Those questions were mostly rhetorical and yes they all lie. Shit, I've banged friends that told each other they didn't know me and they tell each other crazy amounts lmao.

Also yes the higher the "allowance" the higher the chance that it'll be a pump and dump and for many reasons. The thing chicks don't realize is that for those amounts, they have to be phenomenal in bed or amazingly hot. And even then, I may just want a sample to see what it is like. Most consistent babies are in the 150 and under range. They hear from me frequently and we have a good time, they also get introduced to other things and get some of that "mentoring" that all of them mention in their profiles but never seek.

Happy hunting folks.

[EvilTmp]

Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.

Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.

I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.

I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.

This is a great topic.

First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.

Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.

Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).

Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl!