"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[EvilTmp]

Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.

Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.

I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.

I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.

This is a great topic.

First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.

Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.

Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).

Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl!

[BookerTNelson]

Saw one college student barista at a coffee shop I started going to. After chatting with her a little, the next time I left a small envelope on the counter with her name on it. Inside was a $25 GC to the grocery store near campus and a note that said "I think you are gorgeous. Check out seeking.com and if you are interested text me at XXXXX".

Never heard from her, but figured it was worth a flier.

Smart move. I'm consistently looking for SB's in public. It works less than a 10% rate but when they work, they're amazing. Baristas, waitresses, etc are all ones I normally attempt with. Most successful in person attempt was with a CVS clerk. I always picked up my SA gift card from her and since we normally had decent conversations at 9 am with no one around, I asked if she ever got curious why I come in for the GC's and she basically handed the P over that evening over drinks.

Keep your eyes open fellas.

[Ernest Ll]

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.

Saw one college student barista at a coffee shop I started going to. After chatting with her a little, the next time I left a small envelope on the counter with her name on it. Inside was a $25 GC to the grocery store near campus and a note that said "I think you are gorgeous. Check out seeking.com and if you are interested text me at XXXXX".

Never heard from her, but figured it was worth a flier.

[Hal1957]

I browse mostly 19-29 age group and wait for a reaction. The ones who respond to that simple act are either actively working or searching. Move them to text or kik and you'll get the vibe right away. The searchers want validation and will often suggest the first meet. Nudge the conversation towards the FC gently and it will happen. These are the girls who will accept anything you offer because they need the validation, not the money. Just be careful of clingers. If you're single, roll with it. It will eventually cool off and then you go back to the bowl.

Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.

So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!

[BookerTNelson]

Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.

So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!

Best part of the story, she apparently has a boyfriend of some kind and now my SB tells me she wants to get rid of him and thinks this is a lot more fun and obviously more profitable. Must have figured out she was giving it out for free so why not make a buck?

I think this word of mouth interaction between SB's and their friends is feeding the sugar bowl with new faces who probably would never have thought of doing this or that they would enjoy the ride. Bad news for civilian daters. Much less free pussy moving forward as SD's are moving to the front of the line. Just more SB's for us to sort through on the site I guess and I think the pool of potential SB's can only continue to increase in size has to be a good thing for us? And as I always reiterate. You need $$$ to play this game if you want real success and I don't mean crazy amounts of money $150 ppm is not typically a hot lady and this space.

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.

Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.

Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.

I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.

I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.

[Unassuming2018]

I didn't get into too much details on work, but she said she works in customer service. I didn't get the pro vibe from her. It was very relaxed, no rush at all. I'm looking forward to the next time for sure.

I love that kind of female, sounds great.

I'm curious; did she have an occupation, or was she a student, or was she an UTR using SA to find guys?

Either way it sounds like a good time.

I have spend $250 on a long involved date with a civilian which was much less fun than yours.

[BStreet]

Told me same; says she got screwed by a guy who forgot his wallet at dinner and she had to pay, then another guy who strung her along for weeks and then canceled on meeting. Wanted $150 for pics / videos, then 200 when we meet.

Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a...9-a8ebba8d3d6f

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Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.

Good post.

I travel a lot on business, and am always looking at people in airports. It's more interesting than staring at the news on the tv monitors.

I always see potential or real SBs in the terminal. They are carrying real (or fake) designer bags, wearing sexy shoes and clothing, and acting like they are only a few weeks away from becoming famous. These women are desperate for attention and fame. And for the money required to obtain attention and fame. I chat them up when the opportunity presents. Often, those conversations convert into something more.

It doesn't take much money to get their attention. Just play the game. Let them know how special they are, and what you can do for them.

That's all they really care about. What you can do for them. Or what they think you can do. In return, they will gladly suck dick or fuck you.

Go into it with a game plan. Maybe have some fake business cards printed up, and a burner phone number ready to give them. If they think you head up the accounting department for Instagram, they will do just about anything to get with the people you know. Make it believable, and not something they can easily look up online. It's believable that an accountant doesn't have a social media presence. It's not believable that a talent scout for Victoria's Secret doesn't have one.

[Reman3289]

Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.

So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!

Best part of the story, she apparently has a boyfriend of some kind and now my SB tells me she wants to get rid of him and thinks this is a lot more fun and obviously more profitable. Must have figured out she was giving it out for free so why not make a buck?

I think this word of mouth interaction between SB's and their friends is feeding the sugar bowl with new faces who probably would never have thought of doing this or that they would enjoy the ride. Bad news for civilian daters. Much less free pussy moving forward as SD's are moving to the front of the line. Just more SB's for us to sort through on the site I guess and I think the pool of potential SB's can only continue to increase in size – has to be a good thing for us? And as I always reiterate. You need $$$ to play this game if you want real success and I don't mean crazy amounts of money $150 ppm is not typically a hot lady and this space.

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.

[TomDickNHarry]

Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a...9-a8ebba8d3d6f

I'd say your instincts are spot on. Pics and vids are always a scam. Even if it's not, why pay for something you don't want. Because guys almost always say "F off" to pic sellers, they got more sophisticated and came up with that BS about help me get comfortable by buying them, or tide me over until we can meet. Even if that person is within 200 miles of you (doubtful) you're never going to meet them. The illusion of a real arrangement is the carrot to get you in to those worthless pics. I used to go back and forth and say no but I'll meet you right now in person and help out with cash and try to convince them, but that never worked one single time, obviously b / c they weren't real or in the area. But since scams have become so prevalent on there, anytime a girl even mentions advances, pics, cash app, any of that stuff, I block them and move on. Saves a ton of time and focuses you on the legit POTs.

[Hal1957]

Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a...9-a8ebba8d3d6f

[HappyHunter44]

As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong.

Yes, you are wrong. Just like any other girl, if an SB actually likes you, it becomes less about the money. Some even feel bad about the money after a few dates and want to give it to you free. I highly suspect you are choosing girls who are way more UTR escorts and free food types than true SBs.

We are clearly choosing different types of girls because my SBs have never complained about $ and never entered any negotiations like you seem to get into. In fact, it was I who brought up the $, not them. At this point, I am also sure I could meet them and get it free if I wanted, but I pay to keep the relationship dynamics clear.

[Dash]

Just wrapped up a trip to Richmond. I met a girl off of SA on my visit. Her name is Phoebe. We met in my hotel bar. Had a light snack and a few drinks, good conversation. She looked gorgeous, to say the least. I've attached a few photos she sent me.

After some time getting to know each other, I politely asked if she would like to relax in my room. With a smile, she said she was wondering when I would ask. Upstairs we went.

We relaxed to something on tv. More small talk, then some making out, then clothes started coming off. As the photos show, she has an amazing body. I won't go into too many graphic details, but we pretty much ran the gamut of positions and ways to please each other. Once I was spent (felt like she could have kept going), we curled up for a bit, making more small talk. I had an early morning, think she realized it when I yawned. She thanked me for a wonderful evening and said we would have to do it again when I'm in town. I emphatically agreed. I discretely slipped her 4 bills. In hindsight, it was worth it. Normally I try to go a bit below that, 4 is my max. But for the time getting to know each other, and the close to two hours of fun, and cuddle time afterwards, I really didn't feel bad about the amount.

As I was writing this, she said that she had a bad encounter with a guy on the site, so she took down her profile for a bit. Might repost it after some time. If she does, I'll add the link. She's still open to meeting though. I told her I might know some cool guys. So if you are a senior member, reach out to me, she's a fun one.

I love that kind of female, sounds great.

I'm curious; did she have an occupation, or was she a student, or was she an UTR using SA to find guys?

Either way it sounds like a good time.

I have spend $250 on a long involved date with a civilian which was much less fun than yours.

[Unassuming2018]

Just wrapped up a trip to Richmond. I met a girl off of SA on my visit. Her name is Phoebe. We met in my hotel bar. Had a light snack and a few drinks, good conversation. She looked gorgeous, to say the least. I've attached a few photos she sent me.

After some time getting to know each other, I politely asked if she would like to relax in my room. With a smile, she said she was wondering when I would ask. Upstairs we went.

We relaxed to something on tv. More small talk, then some making out, then clothes started coming off. As the photos show, she has an amazing body. I won't go into too many graphic details, but we pretty much ran the gamut of positions and ways to please each other. Once I was spent (felt like she could have kept going), we curled up for a bit, making more small talk. I had an early morning, think she realized it when I yawned. She thanked me for a wonderful evening and said we would have to do it again when I'm in town. I emphatically agreed. I discretely slipped her 4 bills. In hindsight, it was worth it. Normally I try to go a bit below that, 4 is my max. But for the time getting to know each other, and the close to two hours of fun, and cuddle time afterwards, I really didn't feel bad about the amount.

As I was writing this, she said that she had a bad encounter with a guy on the site, so she took down her profile for a bit. Might repost it after some time. If she does, I'll add the link. She's still open to meeting though. I told her I might know some cool guys. So if you are a senior member, reach out to me, she's a fun one.

[BStreet]

There is power on both sides as we have the money, they have the pussy, but for that small amount of $25 to me was not worth trying to gain power in this particular situation. She may have still flaked even if you gave her the $200 right off the bat, but again you had said you both got along great and in the end trying to prove power over $25 seems kind of mute. In most cases to these girls the prize is the money, not the Sugar Daddy, oh we can be charming, great in bed, be a mentor, blah, blah but we are not the prize, the money for the most part to most of these girls is the PRIZE! Doesn't mean you give them what they want as many are GPS and I walk away from those too, but when it gets down to $25 or even some cases $50, if you want it and that's what it takes, then get it, cause that in turn will turn them off as well in thinking they are not worth that little bit more.

How about the SB not getting any money just to gain power that they don't have in the first place? SD has the money, the power to spend it and SD negotiates how he sees fit that is worth to him.

As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong. I truly think there's more than the money issue here. She loves fancy dinners, we discussed that and I told her we'd still do that but it wouldn't be 3 x in a week as this week was an anomaly in my schedule. She had a sure thing with a guy she had been out with 4 other times. We had open discussions about terms just hadn't discussed the financial part in detail until the other night. I think she was overwhelmed by the situation and just freaked. She wasn't initially intending to stay the night after we agreed on the amount, and when I told her it was a deal breaker for me she went back to my text and realized she misinterpreted it. I told her I was going upstairs and she was free to decide what she wanted to do. It put some pressure on her but it was time to either show or go. I wasn't interested in driving her home in the middle of the night 90 minutes round trip and I made that clear if we had an arrangement it would have to be a weekly overnight at my place. Two minutes later she went upstairs looking for me while ripping off her clothes, laughing, giggling etc.

While I can see I'm trying to rationalize behavior of an irrational 21 year old I think the money factor would have been only a small contributor to her flaking. Certainly pay anyone a large sum and the legs will spread quickly no questions asked. The one thing I've learned in this game is to be the holder of the power so you each get what you want. I hold the money and she holds the pussy. It must be win-win for both parties.