Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Sir LanceLicksalot]

I know you feel the need to share your experience but shouldn't you be posting this in the SB forum?

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...68-Sugarbabies

This is a RAVE! No, I will not be sharing their information.

So, I have been searching for one SB on SA for the last month. Had many meet and greets (that I did not have to pay for BTW) and have really learned a lot about the sugar scene. I have found myself a classy SB and I am going to let it run its course, but I digress.

So, I met this young college student for a M&G and we hit it off enough to meet back at her place later that week. Played around orally, but didn't FS. This is where I tell you she had a tongue piercing and fucking ehh, knew how to use it. Had fun and we decided to meet again. So, before I am to arrive the following visit, she texts me and asks me to bring a bottle of Petron and a pizza. Mind you, I have not given her cash yet, so I am trying to decide how much cash to bring along as well. So, I ask her what she wants on her pizza and she says "Surprise me!" So, I swing by Little Caesars and grab one of their hot-and-ready Quattro pizzas (don't want her to be disappointed with my choice of toppings) and a bottle from the liquor store next door. Get to her place and I'll be damned if her roommate isn't there as well. So, I decide we are just hanging out for the evening and open up the bottle and we all start doing shots and eating pizza. Well, our conversation started getting raunchy as the buzz got thicker and before I know it, I am kicked back on the couch, pants down, getting a excellent BBBJCIMWS while the roommate is passed out next to us. I think that is it, but then the roommate wakes up while we are watching Netflix and smells the cum and gets upset that she missed out. LMAO I say I am sorry and maybe next time, but I am an old man and don't think I could go another round. They both think I am challenging them and I get the double BBBJ. Mind you, both of them have tongue piercings. At one point, each of them had a ball in their mouth and was rolling it around on their ball stud tongue piercing while throwing down a pretty good HJ. HOLY FUCKING SHIT! After my second pop, we started talking about what to name that experience, and I mentioned I was not a member of the Mile High Club yet. That led to what name to put on this Club. Hence, the Quattro Balls Club!

Rave Over! .

[TechSticles]

I've never run my mouth on this whole thing, and I totally get what happened.

That said, I would still feel better if this site were behind HTTPS. That way any communication between us and the site are truly encrypted. For instance, because this site is not behind a TLS certificate every single time you log into the site your username and password is transmitted in CLEAR TEXT over the wire. Anyone monitoring your network connections (your ISP, LE, your tech-saavy spouse) will capture your login. Same goes for any post you make.

In time, browsers like Google Chrome will actually completely block access to non-https websites.

You can use a service like Let's Encrypt to obtain an https certificate for your website for free.

I'd like it better if they had a certificate as well, but if you're concerned about traffic being encrypted from your endpoint (laptop, phone, etc) just use a VPN or a secure proxy.

[JustACustomer]

This is a RAVE! No, I will not be sharing their information.

So, I have been searching for one SB on SA for the last month. Had many meet and greets (that I did not have to pay for BTW) and have really learned a lot about the sugar scene. I have found myself a classy SB and I am going to let it run its course, but I digress.

So, I met this young college student for a M&G and we hit it off enough to meet back at her place later that week. Played around orally, but didn't FS. This is where I tell you she had a tongue piercing and fucking ehh, knew how to use it. Had fun and we decided to meet again. So, before I am to arrive the following visit, she texts me and asks me to bring a bottle of Petron and a pizza. Mind you, I have not given her cash yet, so I am trying to decide how much cash to bring along as well. So, I ask her what she wants on her pizza and she says "Surprise me!" So, I swing by Little Caesars and grab one of their hot-and-ready Quattro pizzas (don't want her to be disappointed with my choice of toppings) and a bottle from the liquor store next door. Get to her place and I'll be damned if her roommate isn't there as well. So, I decide we are just hanging out for the evening and open up the bottle and we all start doing shots and eating pizza. Well, our conversation started getting raunchy as the buzz got thicker and before I know it, I am kicked back on the couch, pants down, getting a excellent BBBJCIMWS while the roommate is passed out next to us. I think that is it, but then the roommate wakes up while we are watching Netflix and smells the cum and gets upset that she missed out. LMAO I say I am sorry and maybe next time, but I am an old man and don't think I could go another round. They both think I am challenging them and I get the double BBBJ. Mind you, both of them have tongue piercings. At one point, each of them had a ball in their mouth and was rolling it around on their ball stud tongue piercing while throwing down a pretty good HJ. HOLY FUCKING SHIT! After my second pop, we started talking about what to name that experience, and I mentioned I was not a member of the Mile High Club yet. That led to what name to put on this Club. Hence, the Quattro Balls Club!

Rave Over! .

[Dear Prudence]

Honestly, I think the girls on those sites are nasty SW material or a scam, so I don't even waste my time trolling them. I get the underlying need for mongers to have variety, but damn.

You will on occasion find some real talent on Listcrawler / Escort Babylon. Gals like Kylie, for example, are on these sites initially before learning the ropes and migrating to places like USASG.

I agree that the majority of the gals that regularly post on those sites are not top talent and some are rip off artists, but to say you can't find real talent there on occasion is not correct.

[JustACustomer]

I don't know how the deletions are done. But I and several others have discussed elsewhere how any negative reviews we post are soon deleted. Yes, for some reason, some do remain but most are removed and you are then told your account is inactive and you have to open another account to make additional comments or write reviews.

Periodically, you will see an upset monger actually take out a duplicate ad of the provider who is ripping people off that says something like, "I am a thief. If you want me to rip you off, contact me at XXX-XXXX. ".

I can't tell you how the determination is made but this is happening. That is all I know.

In other words, use precaution when contacting any of the gals off of LC / EB.

Honestly, I think the girls on those sites are nasty SW material or a scam, so I don't even waste my time trolling them. I get the underlying need for mongers to have variety, but damn.

[LuckyNutz]

I can see where he comes from. I fell in love with a SW from Price Hill. It happens. We had a decent relationship. It was not the sex. It was average at best. We just clicked. I loved her company. I'm in my 50's so not a old fart. My 2 cents. PB.

The problem here in lies with the reporting where she is contacting business.

I've been in a couple of relationships with a pornstar and strippers. What I've come to understand that if you tell them or force them to not do something they will end up doing it regardless. Had one rule with the pornstar, that was don't do BB scenes. She didn't. The strippers rule was won't ask, don't tell me what you do. Just don't go all the way. For the most part it went well for awhile but the pornstar made more money going BB so of course she ended up breaking it off. The strippers inevitably ended up getting a good offer to do the deed fully. Its just the nature of the beast and you know what you signed up for.

[Passnby]

So Catlikr "apologizes" after, apparently, ratting her out for a second time regarding her new incall location in Batavia. Just a couple days ago he wrote:

"Her new in calls exact location is known to The Batavia PD and the Clermont County Sheriff so it's not so safe and discrete. I'd be very careful. Also if you're looking for a 20 something she's 36 and toothless not a single tooth left in her head. ".

And now he says he has "moved on" and no longer lives in Cincinnati. Well, good riddance, Asshole! Just because you were stupid enough to hope for a relationship with her and ruin your life in the process, that was no reason to purposely try to ruin hers and create safety issues for all of us. I hope to hell this is the end of this saga and that we never have to hear from you again.

I can see where he comes from. I fell in love with a SW from Price Hill. It happens. We had a decent relationship. It was not the sex. It was average at best. We just clicked. I loved her company. I'm in my 50's so not a old fart. My 2 cents. PB.

[WanderingAbout]

Since this info isn't a review and more opinion submitting to this section.

Kylie updated her FB status to show she is in a relationship. The guy is either her sugar bf or someone new. If the past pattern fits Kylie will be gone until they break up or she needs fast cash.

Chloe FB pics looks like she has a white trash ratchet thug life street urchin thing going on. Has a history of drug use already at the age of 19. On the horse, clean, now appears to be back on the horse. You can tell by her picture weight and posts when she is clean vs when using. She will be either be stripping or on her back to feed her drug use. Time will tell if she surfaces in a club or on EB or on USA. For now don't know.

No. Will not share FB info. No. Don't have direct contact info for either of them.

[Dear Prudence]

So are you saying the providers get to approve the review or they can have it deleted if they don't like the review? Please explain.

I don't know how the deletions are done. But I and several others have discussed elsewhere how any negative reviews we post are soon deleted. Yes, for some reason, some do remain but most are removed and you are then told your account is inactive and you have to open another account to make additional comments or write reviews.

Periodically, you will see an upset monger actually take out a duplicate ad of the provider who is ripping people off that says something like, "I am a thief. If you want me to rip you off, contact me at XXX-XXXX. ".

I can't tell you how the determination is made but this is happening. That is all I know.

In other words, use precaution when contacting any of the gals off of LC / EB.

[BigCat44]

My knock on Listcrawler / Escort Babylon is it deletes bad comments or reviews. This is crazy and removes the real purpose of the site, from the mongers perspective. Sure, it allows the girls to get the message out but there are no consequences for bad behavior or worse. 80% of my reviews or comments are positive but whenever they are negative about a provider next time I go on the site to give feedback it tells me "account inactive" and all previous comments and reviews are deleted.

This kind of action turns what could be a valuable site for both the monger and provider into a one-way street for the provider. Instead it basically becomes picture catalog for the provider. It also makes it a heck of a lot less safe for mongers. Very disappointing.

So are you saying the providers get to approve the review or they can have it deleted if they don't like the review? Please explain.

[Kenal1]

If DayTimer is member and is threatening you then contact Admin2. He won't stand for that.

So Catlikr "apologizes" after, apparently, ratting her out for a second time regarding her new incall location in Batavia. Just a couple days ago he wrote:

"Her new in calls exact location is known to The Batavia PD and the Clermont County Sheriff so it's not so safe and discrete. I'd be very careful. Also if you're looking for a 20 something she's 36 and toothless not a single tooth left in her head. ".

And now he says he has "moved on" and no longer lives in Cincinnati. Well, good riddance, Asshole! Just because you were stupid enough to hope for a relationship with her and ruin your life in the process, that was no reason to purposely try to ruin hers and create safety issues for all of us. I hope to hell this is the end of this saga and that we never have to hear from you again.

[Sir LanceLicksalot]

If DayTimer is member and is threatening you then contact Admin2. He won't stand for that.

I'd you are right about what you say however if I wasn't concerned about other mongers I would not have publicized what I had done. My only goal was to effect CC's business due to her handling of what I thought was our relationship.

I was hurt and out several thousands of dollars from supporting her while she wasn't supposed to be seeing others. I actually would have been out of this much sooner but The DayTimer PMed me with threats of what he was going to do if I didn't quit posting about CC. I don't do well with threats. I have learnt a valuable lesson and don't know what I was thinking even considering marrying a cum guzzling, ass licker with no teeth. But you're right I'm done. I have never seen any other girls in Cincinnati and have no intention of doing so in the future as I have moved from Cincy. I apologize for what has happened.

[Dear Prudence]

My knock on Listcrawler / Escort Babylon is it deletes bad comments or reviews. This is crazy and removes the real purpose of the site, from the mongers perspective. Sure, it allows the girls to get the message out but there are no consequences for bad behavior or worse. 80% of my reviews or comments are positive but whenever they are negative about a provider next time I go on the site to give feedback it tells me "account inactive" and all previous comments and reviews are deleted.

This kind of action turns what could be a valuable site for both the monger and provider into a one-way street for the provider. Instead it basically becomes picture catalog for the provider. It also makes it a heck of a lot less safe for mongers. Very disappointing.

[DD Chaser]

I saw Christen back in the day but she wasn't my type then sure not now still skinny no teeth.

I agree. Catlikr has burned this bridge. I won't share anything with him other then what he reads on my post. Guy like this put all of un in danger.

Saw CC this past weekend at her new place, had been a while since last visit. Great skills, better than I recall, really knows how to put a big smile on ones face, recommend, but she is my type, I like me a mature provider. Three thumbs up.

[WhereDreamsGo]

I'd you are right about what you say however if I wasn't concerned about other mongers I would not have publicized what I had done. My only goal was to effect CC's business due to her handling of what I thought was our relationship.

I was hurt and out several thousands of dollars from supporting her while she wasn't supposed to be seeing others. I actually would have been out of this much sooner but The DayTimer PMed me with threats of what he was going to do if I didn't quit posting about CC. I don't do well with threats. I have learnt a valuable lesson and don't know what I was thinking even considering marrying a cum guzzling, ass licker with no teeth. But you're right I'm done. I have never seen any other girls in Cincinnati and have no intention of doing so in the future as I have moved from Cincy. I apologize for what has happened.

You shouldn't be trying to get the cops involved in this personal dispute (if that happened, I dunno all the details based on my attention level). But also guys on here shouldn't be threatening you for posting whatever you posted. And your story is actually valuable info on here for guys who might be stupid enough to trust any provider beyond the transaction at hand (and by that, I include myself, since I have been there). The sad truth is that any provider freaky enough that we're going to want to have any kind of LTR with them is probably going to get bored and want some outside action anyway, just like we are, which is why we're all here. This is a pretty bad place to find someone for a long-term monogamous relationship, I think we all can agree.