"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BamBam]

The fact that she joined in January is not always a sign that the sb is experienced with the site. I run into plenty of POT's that join, get a flood of cringey DM's and then leave. Later, they reconsider and decide to return. Sometimes a year or more can elapse between when they signed up and when they return. I find these women respond well to a 'gentle' approach and are a bit more willing. I trust the judgement of the guy who was on the scene.

Bam.

The $40 was a gamble. I do want her, and sometimes they come back with reasonable expectations. It happened to me once 3 weeks after a failed M&G. But yes, I can see your points, and that of TomDNH. She's been on the site, should know the deal, and her profile is misleading, I agree. In person, judging her body language and spontaneous responses, she seemed more like a confused 18 yo than a slick scammer.

[Snake27]

The $40 was a gamble. I do want her, and sometimes they come back with reasonable expectations. It happened to me once 3 weeks after a failed M&G. But yes, I can see your points, and that of TomDNH. She's been on the site, should know the deal, and her profile is misleading, I agree. In person, judging her body language and spontaneous responses, she seemed more like a confused 18 yo than a slick scammer.

She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.

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If you're married and cannot use your own place, it really limits you. It's the very rare girl under 25 that has her own place -- although I have met a couple who had roommates that were willing to go into their own rooms and keep the door shut, LOL. And hotels of course have their own expenses and hassles.

So I have thought from time to time about looking for a cheap furnished apartment that I could use for entertaining. In my city, there are places that you can get at maybe $600/ month, so amortized over maybe 8 visits / month, not a bad cost. Looking for advice or suggestions from anyone who may have tried this. Worried about the usual things relating to anonymity, signing a lease, paying by check or credit card, repairs, insurance whatever.

Just curious if anyone has done this and how it worked out. As always, appreciate everyone'e help.

I wrote a lengthy reply to this, but it seems to have gotten lost.

In short.

I rent an apartment for sugaring. It's cost-effective and less stressful than a hotel.

I'm not married, so I don't worry about being found out. But, if you are worried about that, an apartment is still probably less risky than dozens of hotel room receipts and charges over a year.

Keep in mind you will need to clean the place, or hire someone to do it. I clean my own because it's a pain to find someone to do it.

Got to stock toilet paper, kitchen supplies, etc. It takes planning.

Keep in mind that the apt neighbors will be nosy. They always ask questions about me, and seem to gossip about that guy who is only there once in a while. And always with women.

Keep in mind that you might run into someone you know at the apt complex. Have a story ready.

All legit apartment complexes require renters insurance. Most offer a quick application policy from their preferred insurer. Mine is $100/ year.

Don't bother with cable or internet. Just get a TV and an Amazon Fire stick, then tether it to your phone's hotspot.

I pay about $25/ month for electric.

Keep in mind you will need to wash sheets and towels. My apt has a W / D in it, which makes that easier.

Keep the electric bill paperless. I have never received a single piece of mail at the apt in my name. I attribute that to keeping utilities and other stuff to a minimum.

All things considered, a sugar apartment was the only option for me. I spend about $1200/ month on it in all, but the peace of mind is worth it.

[TomDickNHarry]

She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.

I don't find any part of her story credible. No one gave her hundreds for dinner, and if that's what she's looking for, the profile is deliberately misleading. It says "open to pretty much anything" and mentions nothing about platonic or social dates. She picked two tags but neither of them were the platonic tag staring her right in the face when she made the profile. And given that there's quite literally zero chance in her 8 months on the site that you're the first guy who told her intimacy was typical and expected for large donations like that she could have edited her profile at anytime to say what she was really looking for, but didn't. Even if you incredibly were the first guy to explain this to her she still hasn't edited her profile, which means she's intentionally inviting people seeking legit arrangements to message her.

I wouldn't have given her even the 40, unless I was worried about bumping into her down the road and her causing a scene or something. She sounds like a very effective rinser and while she could've possibly gotten more out of it, getting the 40 and a meal is still not a bad outcome for her. Thankfully no big loss for you. As an aside about being taken, I had a M&G years ago where I had absolutely no interest in her after meeting but made the mistake of staying and letting her have several drinks. Well, she was DTF that night and expecting a donation (this was not agreed or discussed prior to the M&G at all) and in her drunk state started to cause a serious scene in a restaurant near my home and work. I ended up having to give her what cash I had left on me after buying her all those drinks (thankfully less than 100) just to calm her down and get the hell out of there.

[JustLonely]

She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.

I second that. Last year myself and my buddy within a week had one that tried that on us. The same girl. So obviously she knew the deal and was trying to get money. I showed her our text exchange about m&g before any money and she said "Oh". Then she got in her car and drove away to never be heard from again.

Plenty of broke babies looking for textbook money now to even think about wasting time on platonic chicks.

[GoneForDays]

https://www.seeking.com/member/3f3d7...f-26f537c13cc2

Anybody got background on her? Seems like a sweet girl in recovery. Given her admitted past I'm thinking she's already been a sex worker. 🤷127995;8205;9794;65039; Says she is living with relatives so can't host.

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https://www.seeking.com/member/36584...b-742ee251f0aa

I had a M&G with this girl, We met at a restaurant within walking distance of VSU in Petersburg and had a nice talk. She is real. Very smart for her age, with good ambition, I think she'd make a great SB and is my type (slender, dark-skinned). Wanted dates in public. By text we had discussed 400 ppv initially with it possibly dropping, but I figured I'd talk to her in person and negotiate. Still, she might be worth the 400.

Unfortunately she seems a little naive about the sexual component of being an SB. When I asked her about her experiences on SA, she said it was a bunch of creeps trying to engage in prostitution. I asked if she ever had an SD and she said yes, once, but she quit after he started asking for sex. Not a good sign! At the end of our visit she revealed that she had expected 400 for the M&G! I felt a little sorry for her and gave her 40 and explained how a M&G is an interview.

Maybe she hustled me? I doubt it, I think she's just a naive 18 year old who needs money. Later I texted her that for 400 intimacy was expected. I thought of offering to date her platonically for awhile but I no longer have the patience for that approach. Maybe those of you who are good at converting platonic can try. She has ghosted me.

She's been on Seeking since January. She knows darn well that: A) sex is expected by SDs, B) No one is giving her $400 PPM.

She's lucky to have gotten the $40.

My bet is that she tried to rinse you.

[Snake27]

https://www.seeking.com/member/36584...b-742ee251f0aa

I had a M&G with this girl, We met at a restaurant within walking distance of VSU in Petersburg and had a nice talk. She is real. Very smart for her age, with good ambition, I think she'd make a great SB and is my type (slender, dark-skinned). Wanted dates in public. By text we had discussed 400 ppv initially with it possibly dropping, but I figured I'd talk to her in person and negotiate. Still, she might be worth the 400.

Unfortunately she seems a little naive about the sexual component of being an SB. When I asked her about her experiences on SA, she said it was a bunch of creeps trying to engage in prostitution. I asked if she ever had an SD and she said yes, once, but she quit after he started asking for sex. Not a good sign! At the end of our visit she revealed that she had expected 400 for the M&G! I felt a little sorry for her and gave her 40 and explained how a M&G is an interview.

Maybe she hustled me? I doubt it, I think she's just a naive 18 year old who needs money. Later I texted her that for 400 intimacy was expected. I thought of offering to date her platonically for awhile but I no longer have the patience for that approach. Maybe those of you who are good at converting platonic can try. She has ghosted me.

[Shampoo55]

If you're going to use WhatsApp, or similar, I suggest getting a burner and only using it with cell data to access the internet, and never connecting to WiFi with it.

Download WhatsApp on that phone, and never log onto it on any other device.

Use that burner for all your SA-related activities, and nothing else.

Pay cash for the burner and for the monthly refill cards. Don't register the burner with the cell carrier beyond the minimum they require to set up the device.

That is some good advice!

In addition, I'd suggest NEVER turning on the location / GPS feature of the burner phone! I had a burner once and had that location stuff on. Then one day a baby told me about Mr. Number, so I check it for that burner number and Viola! Up pooped my real name & address. Best I can tell, a phone sitting at an address overnight, many nights, can be located via GPS and then connected to property records or whatever. So now I do not turn on the location on the burner and never use the WiFi my home modem has to connect to the burner.

[EBob1111]

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[BlueEyedMan58]

If you're married and cannot use your own place, it really limits you. It's the very rare girl under 25 that has her own place -- although I have met a couple who had roommates that were willing to go into their own rooms and keep the door shut, LOL. And hotels of course have their own expenses and hassles.

So I have thought from time to time about looking for a cheap furnished apartment that I could use for entertaining. In my city, there are places that you can get at maybe $600/ month, so amortized over maybe 8 visits / month, not a bad cost. Looking for advice or suggestions from anyone who may have tried this. Worried about the usual things relating to anonymity, signing a lease, paying by check or credit card, repairs, insurance whatever.

Just curious if anyone has done this and how it worked out. As always, appreciate everyone'e help.

[JustLonely]

Blonde 18 yo 2001 baby. Amazing lay, loves to be dominated. Let me choke, slap, spit on, and generally destroy her. BBFS, CIP, agreed to anal but backed out when she saw my size so YMMV. One of my all time faves.

https://www.seeking.com/member/75537...0-9461a358f6a4

Anyone else seen her? She doesn't seem DTF in my messages with her.

[TomDickNHarry]

Business insider article. Even mentions pump and dum. Although it could just be a promo for Seeking written by their staff.

https://www.businessinsider.com/suga...ts-like-2019-8

I thought it was pretty balanced and she's probably legit. I'm sure as all females who talk about it, she's embellishing to make herself seem less like a *****, probably true on her allowance, and I guarantee you she's embellishing the other stuff. She might have had a guy or two take her on a trip spoil the hell out of her, but I guarantee the majority of them were a M&G over a coffee, followed by her spreading her legs a few days later in a short stay for nothing but a cash donation, many of which weren't 500.

Other than that, which will set unrealistic expectations for many girls in certain cities and make it hard for them to find anything, she gives some decent advice.

[TomDickNHarry]

Your friend's coworker got scammed for some cash (rookie mistake), then clicked on a pop-up ad? Why would anyone click a pop-up ad? Then responded to a "customer support" email sent not from seeking.com but from a 3rd party "datesupporter.com"? Oh boy. When he made his complaint, was he asked to provide an email so they could "verify" him? I have a bad feeling about this.

Point wasn't to elicit sympathy for him, my first reaction when my friend told me what happened to him was how could anyone be stupid enough to send money online to a perfect stranger. Honestly it annoyed me because the only reason theres so much of that garbage on there right now is because some guys are incredibly falling for it.

But as I said, using that email and reporting her with a link everytime she creates a profile, he has gotten her deleted 7 times now, unlike the "Report" tool on the site / app which never results in the profile getting deleted. Don't use the email address if you don't want to, but it's legit and if we all start reporting the scams to customer service and inundating them with emails they may be more interested in cleaning things up. And if you're using an anon email account for SA (which surely everyone on here is) there can't be any harm in sending an email with a link to a profile and reporting them for online only or asking for money online in advance or the like. It looks like they respond to every email sent to this address.

seekingarrangement@datesupporter.com

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Business insider article. Even mentions pump and dum. Although it could just be a promo for Seeking written by their staff.

https://www.businessinsider.com/suga...ts-like-2019-8

That article seems less like an ad for Seeking than most.

What is interesting to me is how common the sugaring language is becoming. Within a few years, I think sugaring will be mainstream.