"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Spiderrva]

I'd like to know more about the list? Is it on facebook, or instagram? Email?

To be honest, it sounds a little more organized than these ****** are capable of.

It's not word of mouth, everything they do is on social media. The List is a list, just like this one. An old SB started it a few years back when she found herself on here. It really took off after Fosta. SA not only got flooded by pros, but it got flooded by undesirable Backpage Johns and the girls banned together. Some of them will swear it doesn't exist and some of them will tell you little bits and pieces about it. I don't know that much about it. I only know the little bit that I know because someone told me I was on it.

[TomDickNHarry]

#2 often. For me it's if they're above 21 I say a drink, then some say "I don't drink. " Who gives a flying f*ck. Like the point of the meet is to discern your beverage choices, as if any place in town lacks water, soft drinks, juices or coffee.

But the "I want to get to know you first" and "What are you looking for" when it's spelled out in the profile are just the worst. It's like I really have to type this shit out again, can you read, why do we all have profiles? And sure, let's get to know each other via SA messages, that makes perfect sense! Me and the other 50 guys you're messaging with will all send you our horoscopes, favorite colors, movies and whether we prefer boxes or briefs! Then if you actually agree to meet (doubtful) with all that useless information you'll have forgotten and can ask us again in person.

But what has become prevalent in my local market, worse than all that BS, even worse than the stupid platonic profiles, are the online only profiles and gas money scams. The worst is that they work up to it, don't just lay it out there upfront so you can laugh at them and quickly move on like they used to. After exchanging messages, moving to text, and agreeing to meet, they drop it on you. They all have a tank on empty and literally not $1 in loose change she could use to get a half gallon of gas to drive 5 miles, and can't be picked up either! But cashapp something and she's on her way! Or buy a few photos until we can meet so she has gas or gets comfortable with you. As if.

Since it hasn't been mentioned much on this board, I'm guessing this scams haven't yet gone national. But I bet it will.

No exaggeration, five times this week after many texts, "Do you have cashapp?" GFY.

There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.

[Roxoff801]

Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.

I have been reading my messages using the chrome trick, but this obviously works better. But you still cannot reply and most of these dunces are not smart enough to leave contact info even though it is in my profile. And most who do are PROS, not SB's.

[JustLonely]

Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.

You are correct! I just read and replied to someone. But the number of unread messages hasn't changed on the notification bar.

[Member #6575]

Pretty sure it is just a new ploy to get you back- like you can see the message and really want to reply but cannot without re-joining.

I bet it is there to stay. Or at least as a test to see if it increases re-joining fees!

Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.

[YayaGogo]

Popped on SA this morning and saw that you can now read messages without having an upgraded account. Don't know if this is accidental (it probably is) so if you have any messages in your inbox you want to read but don't want to pay a benjamin to do so get on asap before they discover the glitch haha.

Yaya.

[FarFarAway]

Without a paid membership. They used to say 'Upgrade to read', now the POTs message is just there. This is how the site is working, at least this morning, for me. I makes that trick 00 cochran taught us moot. You still can't send a message of course.

[PeteMc]

There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.

I feel your pain on these, but will add a couple of things:

For #1: I just started asking for inclusion of profile name in their first text when I give them the burner number (and most comply if they do text me first -- lately it seems that about 60-70% of the girls I give my number to, end up just responding with their own number, which makes it a non-issue).

For #2: There are a number of reasons people have started announcing their "coffee status" that may have nothing to do with her interest level. One is that for non-coffee drinkers, coming within a few feet of a coffee drinker's breath smells terrible, and kissing them on the mouth is even worse (no offense to coffee drinkers because I used to be one too, but its kind of like the sensitivity to smoke that non-smokers experience). So in some ways she may be sending signals about the preference of who she fucks. Coffee breath is not going to stop me from banging a hot young babe, but it might stop them from banging me. To a lot of younger girls the smell of coffee on a man's breath is a bit like the smell of Old Spice and Ben Gay (reminds them of their grandpa).

[Tidad]

There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.

That, sir is a solid philosophy that perfectly explains how I've lived since turning 40.

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There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.

1. Many of those contacts are probably fakes trying to dox you for personal information.

See here: https://www.law.com/therecorder/2018...exposed-users/.

Even though SA sued those companies, the predator alert scams are still going on. You are smart to use a burner phone.

2. I agree about the coffee thing. When I offer coffee and they respond that they don't drink coffee, I take it as a sign that they are too bitchy to bother with.

[DogBert77]

There are some things that the less intelligent SB's do that drive me up the wall. I expect other guys have their own list, but here are a couple of mine:

1. I message my burner phone number to SB on SA site. Get text that says: "Hi, it's Samantha" when her user name didn't have Samantha in it or anything to do with Samantha. Even worse, they text me and just say "Hi" and don't say anything about who they are. Sometimes long after I messaged them. These girls are always telling us about how many messages they get. Do they think we are only messaging one girl at a time, say one a week?

2. Text thread like this: DogBert: "Want to get a cup of coffee and see if there is chemistry?" SB "I don't drink coffee. " "Sometimes followed by "I only drink tea / kombucha / boba / Tears of Hindu Gods shed on Andean peaks under a full moon and collected by blind nuns. " What the actual fuck? Have they ever been in a Starbucks? Don't they know you can order other drinks in a coffee shop? If they don't want to meet up, why don't they just say so, or ghost me? Do I give fuck whether they like coffee? For the record, I do not, although I do care whether they like creamer.

In general, I've always tried to live by the principle that no good looking girl is too dumb to fuck once, but these girls are causing me to question that philosophy.

[M9999]

If I am traveling on business, I will sometimes do dinner. I hate eating alone. I normally look for someone a little older that can actually hold a conversation. I also normally try to talk with them on the phone beforehand to make our meeting less awkward and hopefully take it further after dinner. I never give an allowance for just dinner.

Locally. I normally go with coffee or a drink during the M&G. I try to pick someplace quiet so we can talk or has some place we can go for a walk after to talk more candidly about what we are looking for. I also try to find places near a motel so if we have good chemistry we can start the arrangement.

I never give a gift during a M&G. Other than maybe a $20 gas card or a few dollars to cover a babysitter.

I always do M&G's but similar philosophy on dinner for several reasons. There's the expense, hate spending 100 on dinner and over an hour with them when I often realize as soon as I sit down I'm not interested, and it's true some of them are torture to talk to so you have to make small talk longer. Many I've met are fun to talk to and interesting, especially when I'm in pursuit, but you never know for sure until you get there. Drinks, coffee, maybe an appetizer at a casual cafe, that's the way to do this. Keep the commitment of both time and money minimal upfront, you can always ramp it up.

[TomDickNHarry]

I always do M&G's but similar philosophy on dinner for several reasons. There's the expense, hate spending 100 on dinner and over an hour with them when I often realize as soon as I sit down I'm not interested, and it's true some of them are torture to talk to so you have to make small talk longer. Many I've met are fun to talk to and interesting, especially when I'm in pursuit, but you never know for sure until you get there. Drinks, coffee, maybe an appetizer at a casual cafe, that's the way to do this. Keep the commitment of both time and money minimal upfront, you can always ramp it up.

I never take an SB to dinner, at most coffee. These girls are brain dead, I can't pretend to be interested in listening to them for more then about 10 minutes. And I always make sure to mention they should leave an hour or two afterward in case we hit it off and want to start an arrangement.

If these girls are going to f*ck, they go into it intending to on the first date. The only reason to do a platonic meet is so they can get comfortable that you're not an ax murderer. But I always push to meet at the hotel first and I'm usually successful.

Don't buy into the SeekingArrangment BS about platonic dates and commitment you need to treat these girls like h**kers. That's what they are, they just don't want to admit it. If there wasn't a stigma around sex for money, every one of these girls would be on eros.

[TomDickNHarry]

If she was hot and you liked her the way I would've played it is either by text, or in person at next meet (as long as you hadn't promised a 100 gift for that meet too) is to say how much you enjoyed your meeting and totally understand she wants to take it slow and are willing to do that. And whenever she's ready, then you can financially assist her. You make clear that sugar is for intimacy. Do it nicely and make clear that you're willing to be patient, but very clearly implied you just won't pay her social meets.

I'm not sure it would've worked with her b / c to some extent you spoiled her by offering such a large date incentive, that is unless you were planning to give 4 or 5 for a trip to the FC. But if you target 2 to 3 as I do, you basically gave her half to let you buy her a meal. In her head she's got to be thinking finding guys to do that over and over is where it's at, and even if she does FC she probably thinks she should get 5 x that for it, and out of my range.

Everyone's different obviously, personally I don't mind investing time to get them to the FC, I just don't invest money mostly b / c I don't think giving them money for nothing works and is actually counterproductive to getting them to the FC. If they truly want to get comfortable with me though, I'm willing to see them repeatedly socially b / c a 19 yo hottie "9" or "10" is far more exciting to me to get to the FC than some 28 yo "5 or "6. " And if they do dates for no money, then they are sincere and actually think they will eventually FC, and you have that carrot dangling out there of an allowance for FC when she's ready. In my experience, about 75% of the time they get there w / in 2 or 3 meets. The cost is my time and some drinks, coffees, appetizers, etc.

If you do decide to go this route again, the one thing I'd do is offer a much smaller M&G amount. In no case would I ever go above $50, even that's like $25 an hour for feeding them dinner. I get plenty of M&G's and I never offer anything other than gas if they have a drive (and sure as hell not sent in advance). Often even when they ask for money for a M&G they agree to meet without it after I explain my time is valuable too and that I don't get anything out of this. Those are the girls who intend to FC and make money that way. Now in a couple of cases I have done a M&G incentive where I was really interested, but even they immediately agreed to $40 or $50 after asking for much more, and I made clear that paying for that was a one time thing only to see if there was mutual interest in doing more. Anyone who doesn't agree to that amount should be an immediate red flag that they are just professional platonic daters who string guys along thinking they will eventually FC. And yes, that's a thing. At least they if they agree to $40 or $50, then my normal donation amount is 5 x which is plenty of assistance.

On that subject I took a 19 yr old hottie to dinner this weekend and gifted her 100 afterwards as promisedbut got no action (didn't expect it) or even any affection. She wants to take it slowly and let the arrangement develop! I said no thanks by text the next day in a nice way and blocked her mobile #. I was a perfect gentleman, took her to a fancy restaurant and I drove her there in an expensive car etc. Wanted to test the waters with that kind of date but have decided it's not for me. Better to just lock down a not so hot not so young one and go with it.

[DWinthrop]

On that subject I took a 19 yr old hottie to dinner this weekend and gifted her 100 afterwards as promisedbut got no action (didn't expect it) or even any affection. She wants to take it slowly and let the arrangement develop! I said no thanks by text the next day in a nice way and blocked her mobile #. I was a perfect gentleman, took her to a fancy restaurant and I drove her there in an expensive car etc. Wanted to test the waters with that kind of date but have decided it's not for me. Better to just lock down a not so hot not so young one and go with it.

I never take an SB to dinner, at most coffee. These girls are brain dead, I can't pretend to be interested in listening to them for more then about 10 minutes. And I always make sure to mention they should leave an hour or two afterward in case we hit it off and want to start an arrangement.

If these girls are going to f*ck, they go into it intending to on the first date. The only reason to do a platonic meet is so they can get comfortable that you're not an ax murderer. But I always push to meet at the hotel first and I'm usually successful.

Don't buy into the SeekingArrangment BS about platonic dates and commitment you need to treat these girls like h**kers. That's what they are, they just don't want to admit it. If there wasn't a stigma around sex for money, every one of these girls would be on eros.