Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[CockNumb]

Everyone of you is absolutely right, no need to go on about this let it stop.

[IrishGuy11]

Produce the obituary lets see if you can.

I don't know anything to dispute this, other than speaking in person with several providers that knew her well that confirmed at the time. So either everyone is covering for her well or she really passed.

[HuntLadys29]

Produce the obituary lets see if you can.

She is deceased I know her real name and I read the obituary. And she didn't commit suicide. HL29.

[NineIncher]

Well put, Ceenote.

Seriously, why are you starting this up again? It doesn't matter whether Silky has died figuratively or literally. Either way just let the poor lady rest in peace. If "resurfaced" means open for business then make your report about it or let's move on to a new topic.

[Ceenote]

She is in Florida and wants nothing to do with anyone or this lifestyle she wants this part of her life to go away you have all been misinformed.

Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.

It's not Silk. I saw her obit. When she passed away. She is unfortunately passed on and not coming back from the grave, folks.

Produce the obituary lets see if you can.

Seriously, why are you starting this up again? It doesn't matter whether Silky has died figuratively or literally. Either way just let the poor lady rest in peace. If "resurfaced" means open for business then make your report about it or let's move on to a new topic.

[CockNumb]

It's not Silk. I saw her obit. When she passed away. She is unfortunately passed on and not coming back from the grave, folks.

Produce the obituary lets see if you can.

[NineIncher]

It's not Silk. I saw her obit. When she passed away. She is unfortunately passed on and not coming back from the grave, folks.

Nobody sent her picture in to a site. It was brought up back when it happened. Those site post picture all the Time of providers out of the business. I even saw Lady J had a post up. I think it was them.

[Hillbilly Bob]

I last saw Silky on Dec. 31,2013. I was very sad to hear that she had died. I did not hear that it was suicide, but there are lots of things that I don't hear. At one point in the last year or so, someone used her picture in an ad, something which I found in poor taste. If she is alive, that would be great news, but I would like to see some verification of the report.

Nobody sent her picture in to a site. It was brought up back when it happened. Those site post picture all the Time of providers out of the business. I even saw Lady J had a post up. I think it was them.

[Golden3]

Can you point to where you found this?

Thanks.

I last saw Silky on Dec. 31,2013. I was very sad to hear that she had died. I did not hear that it was suicide, but there are lots of things that I don't hear. At one point in the last year or so, someone used her picture in an ad, something which I found in poor taste. If she is alive, that would be great news, but I would like to see some verification of the report.

[Cincy]

Can you point to where you found this?

Thanks.

Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.

[LuvnLivn]

Agree some woman do use drugs of various sorts. Some woman manager their finances like crap. Some woman are in a tough spot and fall into the profession out of desperation. Everyone has their own story. Some good. Some bad. Some sad.

Respectfully disagree regarding the broad drug use claim for providers or sugar babies. Majority of encounters are with woman who are not using. Quite a few are very savvy business women who used the profession to bank roll investments and parlay themselves into a better life. Sasha Black for example banked, invested, retired from the business a rather wealthy woman. Lillian Chi used her earnings to build a multi-million dollar business in Dallas. Summer Daze bought rental property in FLA.

As always YMMV. If your experience is one involving mostly druggies then maybe its time to upgrade the quality of the women you are opt'ing to see.

I have been with a few who own nice homes. One owns rental houses. One drives a Mercedes. One just loves sex.

LL.

[WanderingAbout]

Agree some woman do use drugs of various sorts. Some woman manager their finances like crap. Some woman are in a tough spot and fall into the profession out of desperation. Everyone has their own story. Some good. Some bad. Some sad.

Respectfully disagree regarding the broad drug use claim for providers or sugar babies. Majority of encounters are with woman who are not using. Quite a few are very savvy business women who used the profession to bank roll investments and parlay themselves into a better life. Sasha Black for example banked, invested, retired from the business a rather wealthy woman. Lillian Chi used her earnings to build a multi-million dollar business in Dallas. Summer Daze bought rental property in FLA.

As always YMMV. If your experience is one involving mostly druggies then maybe its time to upgrade the quality of the women you are opt'ing to see.

Even if it's not current use, it's because they can't easily get other jobs because of prior use and convictions. But then it becomes current use again pretty fast. Or sometimes methadone, suboxone or something else is keeping them technically clean for a while. I have seen a few get clean, but then they leave the business, except maybe in a few cases where they see old regulars they really like for a little extra money. I have seen at least a few get off and stay off drugs for an extended period (a relapse is always a risk, so I'm not going to say forever).

It is different in a market like this with a low cost of living. You go to an expensive coastal city and you do find more of a mix of genuine students making a little extra money the easy way (relatively). Here, almost the only plausible reason is drug use in most cases. I guess I'm also assuming there are some SA sugar babies out there not using. That's also probably naive.

[WhereDreamsGo]

Drug addiction does not take a day off, neither do addicts. I find it hilarious that both you guys that responded to me think "days off" is a thing. There are no days off. Read the forum you'll see guys talk about appointments on Christmas, new years and any other holidays.

I've been "in the hobby" for 30 years things run in cycles, the cycle right now is drug abuse. The economy is great, jobs are plentiful. When the economy is bad you'd see single moms trying to take care of their kids, those situations do happen but they are hard to find these days and overall pretty rare. I agree there are exceptions to every rule but they are few and far between.

If you have to say "I'm not white knighting" then you are.

I'm not assuming they make 200 a day, in fact, they make way more than that seeing 6-10 guys a day everyday. I used 200 as a simple number that would take little if any effort to get to 70 k a year which would be a salary that a non addict could live very very comfortably on and I expect is more than a lot here make as the national average is 45 k a year.

Yes there are clean high end girls with 1000 dollar purses and super nice apartments, they won't see you for 100 bucks and are not who we are talking about.

I simply can't wrap my head around the fact that you guys think these girls aren't using drugs. It blows my mind. No 20 something year old is going to fuck a 70 year old dude for 100 bucks unless that money is going directly to drugs.

I'm not trying to demean or degrade any of the women, My whole point in bringing this up is that you need to keep your guard up, you need to expect that everyone you see is addicted and take the proper precautions. Once at a certain point of addiction, addicts will do literally anything to get that fix and "get better" including robbery, theft, kidnapping, and murder.

I'm done with topic, if you want to remain naive that's on you. Be safe out there guys.

Edit to add: I've met plenty of absolute sweethearts that swore up and down they didn't use only to find out later that they've been using for years. Good people, nice caring people, pretty, perfect teeth, One girl that I would have literally given anything too and taken care of her every need if only she'd give up the drugs. But the drugs are more important and if she was clean, she'd be way out of my league. I don't have any moral hangups about seeing a girl that uses, I don't think any less of them, I'm just careful about my safety and the security of my property.

Even if it's not current use, it's because they can't easily get other jobs because of prior use and convictions. But then it becomes current use again pretty fast. Or sometimes methadone, suboxone or something else is keeping them technically clean for a while. I have seen a few get clean, but then they leave the business, except maybe in a few cases where they see old regulars they really like for a little extra money. I have seen at least a few get off and stay off drugs for an extended period (a relapse is always a risk, so I'm not going to say forever).

I stopped a long time ago paying attention to even the most impassioned claims of not using or no longer using drugs. I look for evidence instead -- like whether they're hitting me up for extra cash all the time, can they get and hold a job, are they in a position where they've got to get drug tested either to stay on parole or to pass a children's services screening to keep their kids (including buns in the oven). Even there, I'm assuming they're not finding fake pee on the black market. Even the job thing and leaving the business is not a guarantee. I'm sometimes pretty amazed at the ability of users to function in regular jobs, since I've seen so many who don't. But it is a very individual thing. I do think there are some cases where some have gotten clean and stayed that way. I hope I'm not deluding myself there.

It is different in a market like this with a low cost of living. You go to an expensive coastal city and you do find more of a mix of genuine students making a little extra money the easy way (relatively). Here, almost the only plausible reason is drug use in most cases. I guess I'm also assuming there are some SA sugar babies out there not using. That's also probably naive.

Not to be cynical, but I do recall a guy in a PM recently asking me if there were any signs of drug use for a provider. And I said something like: You mean besides having sex for money?

I don't think any less of them either, and obviously have gotten over moral hangups about seeing them. We've all got our issues, and mine is being attracted to bad girls with bad habits. What bothers me more though is knowing a couple who died of overdoses the past six months, people I really liked and who I know have family and friends who miss them a lot. Hell, I miss them, and I barely knew them. They would have done their thing ultimately with or without my money, but I still feel bad. One I knew was just struggling, and I really didn't have any idea how to help her, and honestly think she may have done it on purpose. The other I heard later had been trying to get on suboxone but didn't have the cash to start the program, and, hell, if I could have been convinced that was what it really was for, I would have given it to her. I guess, like with any stories, I have my doubts about that one, because she would have had the cash she needed if she'd spent what she'd gotten just from me on treatment instead of heroin.

[Bobby Linn]

Who was it that said silky committed suicide, you were wrong she has resurfaced.

There were lots of people saying that! That is great news but very confusing. Have you seen or talked to her?

[DaytonSteve]

I am not white knighting as obviously usage is a huge problem amongst the providers. However I think you are assuming they can make 200 $ a day on average and you are not factoring in their costs such as hotel room which low end is 60 $ day and decent starting around 125 $ a day. Factor around costs $100 a day for hotel, then burner phones / minutes, advertising would probably increase the daily average to around 110 $ a day for cost. (I am aware some providers use their own home / apartment I am not doing doctoral thesis on multiple provider business models).

Your projection of 70 k a year assumes they don't ever take a day off either.

Factoring in costs most providers make 75 dollars a day on average for the WHOLE YEAR which factors out to 28 k a year. I would say that salary represents the life style of most of the providers.

Other providers who are top notch pull in higher earnings but they are not the average provider.

Drug addiction does not take a day off, neither do addicts. I find it hilarious that both you guys that responded to me think "days off" is a thing. There are no days off. Read the forum you'll see guys talk about appointments on Christmas, new years and any other holidays.

I've been "in the hobby" for 30 years things run in cycles, the cycle right now is drug abuse. The economy is great, jobs are plentiful. When the economy is bad you'd see single moms trying to take care of their kids, those situations do happen but they are hard to find these days and overall pretty rare. I agree there are exceptions to every rule but they are few and far between.

If you have to say "I'm not white knighting" then you are.

I'm not assuming they make 200 a day, in fact, they make way more than that seeing 6-10 guys a day everyday. I used 200 as a simple number that would take little if any effort to get to 70 k a year which would be a salary that a non addict could live very very comfortably on and I expect is more than a lot here make as the national average is 45 k a year.

Yes there are clean high end girls with 1000 dollar purses and super nice apartments, they won't see you for 100 bucks and are not who we are talking about.

I simply can't wrap my head around the fact that you guys think these girls aren't using drugs. It blows my mind. No 20 something year old is going to fuck a 70 year old dude for 100 bucks unless that money is going directly to drugs.

I'm not trying to demean or degrade any of the women, My whole point in bringing this up is that you need to keep your guard up, you need to expect that everyone you see is addicted and take the proper precautions. Once at a certain point of addiction, addicts will do literally anything to get that fix and "get better" including robbery, theft, kidnapping, and murder.

I'm done with topic, if you want to remain naive that's on you. Be safe out there guys.

Edit to add: I've met plenty of absolute sweethearts that swore up and down they didn't use only to find out later that they've been using for years. Good people, nice caring people, pretty, perfect teeth, One girl that I would have literally given anything too and taken care of her every need if only she'd give up the drugs. But the drugs are more important and if she was clean, she'd be way out of my league. I don't have any moral hangups about seeing a girl that uses, I don't think any less of them, I'm just careful about my safety and the security of my property.