"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[RVASpider]

The number of Alpha Phi girls I've encountered on SA could fill a thumb drive. HOw many of them are actually DTF without a paid M&G. Probably closer to the population that can fit in a phone booth.

That's what I've figured too. I found one a few months ago who is not on the site anymore because she found a boyfriend. Seems like the hot ones want money for pics or platonic meetings.

[PeteMc]

In a drawer in my work office is an envelope that contains lotsa cash, prepaid / gift cards, an encrypted jump drive, my burner, some safes and lube, etc. Pretty obvious what that's for. No worries on anything electronic.

Believe it or not, the lube purpose isn't obvious at all to me. I always have some with me, but it could be used for anal, Intro to Anal 101 (finger training), girls that want to get a little messy and get a thigh fucking from behind, tit fuck etc. I've had some that demanded condoms and just weren't skilled orally, and I used the lube to jerk myself off and paste the face.

One might think that with the occasional flaking where the girl just doesn't show up or whatever, the lube would come in handy for masturbatory purposes. I know that was the case when I was younger and had near misses, but it's never the case now. I've now been spoiled by the ease of internet hookups. I'm surprised I can still get hard to a computer screen at all. Something about the feel and aroma of real pussy is what sets me off.

[WaterBoi]

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a4a6...f-c38b58f62005

Anyone have any info on her? We're messaging but she says she stays with her bf so I'm partially inclined to avoid just because of the potential drama.

[JustLonely]

Hello,

Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.

What is the latest opinion?

Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.

Once they know you are willing to pay upfront, they can string you along. Same as paying a tiny little bill because you are such a nice guy. No money until the panties hit the floor. I tell those that insist to try their luck on her WYP and I move on.

[WaterBoi]

Hello,

Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.

What is the latest opinion?

Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.

I mostly agree with DogBert on this. $100 for meet and greet is a bit much for me.

Nothing until FC is safer. However, if you can afford losing $100 then go for it. Everyone's budget is different here and to some people $100 is nothing. So, if you think the reward is worth it and that there's a good chance FC is on the table, maybe you take that risk? You need to just go into it with the mindset that you may be paying $100 for a boring 10 minute conversation.

[PeteMc]

I think I am with the vast majority here and say absolutely no sugar until action. There are girls on SA that never go to the FC with anyone, and never intend to. If they are hot, they could schedule several meet and greets a day and make a pretty good living without putting out. Don't encourage them. In the long run, you will save yourself a lot of time, and money, by immediately blocking them when they ask for this and just going on the next one. It's like they say in the pick-up artist community, you need to have an abundance mentality and not get fixated on any one girl.

Well said! When I got in the habit of blocking the obvious time wasters, I was surprised how the time saved benefited me by focusing on finding the next girl. There are girls coming and going all the time in most cities, some of them don't want their profile available for long so they go online for just a few hours until they have a date, and they hide their profile again until either the arrangement with that SD is over (or if the M&G didn't work out they'll be back). They aren't necessary "new" girls all the time, but they are the ones that aren't fucking a half dozen SDs at once, which are the best kind.

[PeteMc]

Hello,
Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.
What is the latest opinion?
Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.

I've never payed for platonic meets unless they incurred a transportation cost (like a $15 each way Uber ride, train / bus, brought their car more than 30 minutes etc). I do always buy them whatever food / drink they might want within reason at the meeting location regardless of whether we see each other again. I actually don't do platonic meets anymore (not intentionally, at least) because unless they are expecting to be paid to have lunch or whatever, there is little incentive for them to show up at all. I have also had cases where aunt flo has been used as an excuse to keep the first date platonic, so I've been trying to get better about tactfully communicating my expectations from the first meet.

Just remember that if anyone is paying anything for platonic dates over and above transportation expenses + a courtesy lunch, you're really hurting your own cause. It's just like offering high allowances -- it just drives up market rates and expectations, and once a girl has been getting a high allowance or having her cake and eating it too, it's hard for her to return to the humble and appreciative SB she was when she first signed up for the site. Always be a stickler.

[DogBert77]

Hello,

Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.

What is the latest opinion?

Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.

I think I am with the vast majority here and say absolutely no sugar until action. There are girls on SA that never go to the FC with anyone, and never intend to. If they are hot, they could schedule several meet and greets a day and make a pretty good living without putting out. Don't encourage them. In the long run, you will save yourself a lot of time, and money, by immediately blocking them when they ask for this and just going on the next one. It's like they say in the pick-up artist community, you need to have an abundance mentality and not get fixated on any one girl.

[RegularJoe1985]

Hello,

Got a couple of responses that are asking for $100 allowance for M&G. Some people are for it and some against.

What is the latest opinion?

Some intimacy allowed. Assuming kissing, caressing etc.

[FarFarAway]

If all your accounts are covert and pass-worded you should be fine no? You don't have a covert email account separate for your hobby? You don't have all your electronic tools discard-able?

What do you think should be done away with exactly to protect you?

In a drawer in my work office is an envelope that contains lotsa cash, prepaid / gift cards, an encrypted jump drive, my burner, some safes and lube, etc. Pretty obvious what that's for. No worries on anything electronic.

[Walruscl]

Please, you know what she wants: she's looking for a reliable $400 on the 1st of every month with the probability of gifts, meals drinks ect when you come over. That will likely add up to more than $50. Plus, in her mind you are " the friend who helps her". If it's transactional per meet, then the price is the price and in her mind you are "the guy she fucks for $150". She's playing a game that is smart for her lifestyle and her psyche.

In general, it definitely is a case of the girl (at least subconsciously) understanding her own self-interest. And if you're optimising CPO or have other reasons to not have faith in an allowance arrangement, it's prudent to at least start with PPM. No argument there.

If you happen upon a good find and your instincts (plus some luck) are correct, this can work to mutual advantage. I got a really good, genuine vibe on my two M&G's with my current SB and mitigated my risk by going bi-monthly. In return I've been rewarded with extremely enjoyable, effortless companionship. So much so that while we originally negotiated 3-4 meets / month, she's works very hard at spending extra time with me when we occasionally have scheduling issues, and so it's usually a consistent 4 meets / month. We've been on three trips together, and while on one hand I bore the expense, on the other hand she was more than willing to carve out the extra time.

On our most recent trip, due to some logistics and other snags we ended up basically spending 7 straight days together. On the tail end some bad weather meant it was easiest if I just hung out at her place an extra day, which she accommodated without a second thought. It didn't hurt that I treated her to a *very* nice vacation week, but that worked both ways.

Since our dates are usually overnights and last about 18 hours total, we've had lots of time to for good discussions. She understands that this is a finite relationship, but also sees the financials as a separate thing from the friendship we've developed. Not that I have any illusion that it would have any staying power if the financials were to dry up, but I think in the moment the inter-personal bond is very solid and real.

[MassageMe4]

OK, many of you SDs presumably have a reputation you care about, now and in the hereafter. What provisions have you made to have everything associated w / the bowl purged should you meet your maker in an untimely and unexpected way. I have a trusted colleague who has received a sealed envelope from me, w / instructions to open it and do what it says if I buy the farm.

If all your accounts are covert and pass-worded you should be fine no? You don't have a covert email account separate for your hobby? You don't have all your electronic tools discard-able?

What do you think should be done away with exactly to protect you?

[Taylor Taste]

https://www.seeking.com/member/35d7c...1-89ca32eb9b35

Weird? When I visited her apartment though. In my dream, it was very clean and the lights were on!

[Tidad]

Women's minds run on their rationalization hamster. Her little furry brain runs on the wheel and spins and spins until it finds a way she can convince herself she's not a prostitute. The only way around the situation above I've found is "we've just met and hardly know each other, why don't I just give you a gift each time we meet up until we know we like and trust one another? Then we can change to a monthly arrangement." Then, once you're having sex repeatedly, and if you work to not make the transaction a focal point of the meetup in any way she may forget about the monthly allowance thing.

The flip side of the coin is that she wants an allowance for the whole month up front and plans on ghosting you, knowing that your hands are tied at that point. It's not like you're going to go to the cops and report a robbery. If this is her MO refusing to extend her credit will help weed out the girls you don't want to be with anyway. If vagina had a credit rating it would be a negative number, remember that.

Not just women's minds! Way too many SDs out here think they are in a "relationship" and think that 19 yo is their "mistress". Sorry guys, if you're paying for pussy she would never give you for free, you can dress it up any way you like but she's a hooker and you are a John.

[RegularJoe1985]

Hello,

Planning on using Hotwire app. Was wondering what information should I provide under My info while setting an account since that will be used to make booking and I'd need to show an I'd when I check in.

Also, what payment info should I enter? Regular CC or vanilla card? I don't have any problems using regular CC, no SO issues etc. And I still need to show a CC while checking in.

Any other pointers while using Hotwire?

Thanks,