"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[PeteMc]

Does anyone know if there's a way to do a "starts with" or "contains" keyword search in the SA profile text search box? It appears to only accept exact matches.

For example, let's say you were talking to someone named "YummyBabe_109213", and you can't remember the digits at the end, only that her name started with "YummyBabe". As it right now, it won't find it. Maybe there's a wildcard character that can be put at the end of it? I tried some of the obvious ones and no luck.

[Ernest Ll]

Ernie, it's a big sugar bowl and everyone should do what works for them. What I am doing is working just fine for me.

Good for you.

My answer was directed to the OP, not to you, so not sure why the snarky asshole approach. He wanted input, I gave him input.

I also did not say I ask any of the specific items you put out as being taboo issues to discuss. I put the ball in their court to let them answer as they see fit.

[Kwagmire]

Please, you know what she wants: she's looking for a reliable $400 on the 1st of every month with the probability of gifts, meals drinks ect when you come over. That will likely add up to more than $50. Plus, in her mind you are " the friend who helps her". If it's transactional per meet, then the price is the price and in her mind you are "the guy she fucks for $150". She's playing a game that is smart for her lifestyle and her psyche.

Women's minds run on their rationalization hamster. Her little furry brain runs on the wheel and spins and spins until it finds a way she can convince herself she's not a prostitute. The only way around the situation above I've found is "we've just met and hardly know each other, why don't I just give you a gift each time we meet up until we know we like and trust one another? Then we can change to a monthly arrangement." Then, once you're having sex repeatedly, and if you work to not make the transaction a focal point of the meetup in any way she may forget about the monthly allowance thing.

The flip side of the coin is that she wants an allowance for the whole month up front and plans on ghosting you, knowing that your hands are tied at that point. It's not like you're going to go to the cops and report a robbery. If this is her MO refusing to extend her credit will help weed out the girls you don't want to be with anyway. If vagina had a credit rating it would be a negative number, remember that.

[Kwagmire]

I dreamt that I negotiated 300 for two meets with this one. When I gave her 150 she went bonkers.

Yeah, she went nuts because in her mind you would give her 300 at the first meet in the FC, thinking you were paying up front for the next one, and she was planning on ghosting you. Good job on your part.

[Geechie Dan]

Was it her https://www.seeking.com/member/ab538...5-d28b40617c76 ?

I dreamt that I negotiated 300 for two meets with this one. When I gave her 150 she went bonkers. In my dream I visited her apartment which was pretty messy and the lights were cut off because the electric bill wasn't paid. Mic game wasn't great. She did this mr miyagi wax-on thing to the tip of my little guy that went on way too long.

If you're in a pinch she may do if you like them petite. I'd avoid just based on the whole math thing.

https://www.seeking.com/member/35d7c...1-89ca32eb9b35

[Tidad]

So I'm conversing with a prospect a couple days ago, and she tells me she'll do 3 dates a month for a 400/ mo allowance. I'm accustomed to pay per meet arrangements. I'm not giving 400 in one lump sum. So I told her I'd do 150 per meet, which equals out to be more than she was initially requesting, it just wasn't all at once. She got insulted! I told her to do the math and she said her worth was more than 150 per meet. But she was ok with 133 per meet?

If they can't do simple math, then move on.

Please, you know what she wants: she's looking for a reliable $400 on the 1st of every month with the probability of gifts, meals drinks ect when you come over. That will likely add up to more than $50. Plus, in her mind you are " the friend who helps her". If it's transactional per meet, then the price is the price and in her mind you are "the guy she fucks for $150". She's playing a game that is smart for her lifestyle and her psyche.

[Ernest Ll]

Agreed. As much as I appreciate the information on this forum about strategies, payment, etc. , what happened to sharing information about girls? I went off the site for a while after a crazy wild 2018 because I found two girls that kept me happy, one I met on the site and the other is not on it. I'm back and trying to get through all the garbage and it seems we've gone away from giving each other intel on specific girls. VCU sorority girls are exactly what I'm looking for so send me some screen names so I can see what's out there! I'm happy to share my info but many of the girls I used to see are no longer on the site.

The number of Alpha Phi girls I've encountered on SA could fill a thumb drive. HOw many of them are actually DTF without a paid M&G. Probably closer to the population that can fit in a phone booth.

[RVASpider]

Why all the mystery? Why not say which sorority?

Agreed. As much as I appreciate the information on this forum about strategies, payment, etc. , what happened to sharing information about girls? I went off the site for a while after a crazy wild 2018 because I found two girls that kept me happy, one I met on the site and the other is not on it. I'm back and trying to get through all the garbage and it seems we've gone away from giving each other intel on specific girls. VCU sorority girls are exactly what I'm looking for so send me some screen names so I can see what's out there! I'm happy to share my info but many of the girls I used to see are no longer on the site.

[WaterBoi]

So I'm conversing with a prospect a couple days ago, and she tells me she'll do 3 dates a month for a 400/ mo allowance. I'm accustomed to pay per meet arrangements. I'm not giving 400 in one lump sum. So I told her I'd do 150 per meet, which equals out to be more than she was initially requesting, it just wasn't all at once. She got insulted! I told her to do the math and she said her worth was more than 150 per meet. But she was ok with 133 per meet?

If they can't do simple math, then move on.

Was it her https://www.seeking.com/member/ab538...5-d28b40617c76 ?

I dreamt that I negotiated 300 for two meets with this one. When I gave her 150 she went bonkers. In my dream I visited her apartment which was pretty messy and the lights were cut off because the electric bill wasn't paid. Mic game wasn't great. She did this mr miyagi wax-on thing to the tip of my little guy that went on way too long.

If you're in a pinch she may do if you like them petite. I'd avoid just based on the whole math thing.

[Geechie Dan]

So I'm conversing with a prospect a couple days ago, and she tells me she'll do 3 dates a month for a 400/ mo allowance. I'm accustomed to pay per meet arrangements. I'm not giving 400 in one lump sum. So I told her I'd do 150 per meet, which equals out to be more than she was initially requesting, it just wasn't all at once. She got insulted! I told her to do the math and she said her worth was more than 150 per meet. But she was ok with 133 per meet?

If they can't do simple math, then move on.

[Cruzier1]

Hey man. Good on you for making progress on chatting up POTs.

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Hope that helps.

Wow! Tremendous responses everyone. I'll try to reply to everyone since everyone has their own spin on things.

I think it really helps to know that most girls know what's up. Since it never came up in the back and forths I never really was sure. I think the first few times I might either not discuss like a few on here suggest, or just pay a bit more than I ultimately want to settle at. I need to get the logistics and the routine down. I'll pay a bit more for that experience.

I've been out of the bowl for a while but always read this thread for the enjoyable stories. When I first signed up and sent money in within a week I was getting pussy. You are using the Nice Guy approach and as nice guys finish last you are proving the point. I start out in the first message suggesting that she text me on my burner phone (no I don't tell her it is a burner) so we can communicate privately. I found when texting I did better with a direct bad boy approach (that is not who I am so it was fun playing the game) and start suggesting she send me hot pictures and when can we meet. I did better going directly to the FC than dinner out but got laid both ways. I was looking for hot sex not a girl friend or companion. The few that I hit it off with we staid in touch and had multiple dates, it got to the point that sometimes the sex was free and mutually enjoyable. One young lady that I have many photos taken when we were naked and playing and a couple of dozen video clips of the various fun times, the only anal I have done in several years and the only video of it I have with here I am still in contact even though I'm on the west coast and she is on the east coast. I'm telling you that you get pussy only if you try, quit the gentleman shit and start being more demanding, tell her what you want and when. If she ghosts you then Next.

All fair points my man! I know one change I'm going to implement is actually asking for M&Gs and then either getting one, or moving on. I know now that this back and forth never leads to one, nor does the conversation ever get there.

Cruzier, you have gotten some great advice on here already. In particular, I think InTight summed it up in his post. If you want pussy, you have to go after it. SA is no different from real life in that way.

I just want to add my view on a couple points. You should not be talking about "dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails" AT ALL. Two reasons for this: (1) the chicks who want to do this are going to engage in an online auction. They are going to go to the highest bidder. You don't want to be the highest bidder. You want to get the pussy and keep as much of your cash as possible. So don't play that game. If the girls insist on it, just move on. (2) you say that your aren't really looking for pros and UTR's but those are exactly the ones most likely to want to set price online in advance. The non-pro, college girls types do not want to do this. They don't want to think they are selling their body for cash. Let them think that. Play along with it. I avoid ever talking about cash if possible, even at the meet and greet. It is amazing how many girls you can penetrate without discussing price at all. Once you've had them, you can give them whatever you want. (Of course, if you want them again, you can't be too cheap!

Honestly, in my city it's unbelievable how many hot and almost hot young girls are joining SA every day. They only constraints on getting them are time and money, there is no shortage of pussy.

Again great points. I need to pony up to the bar and not pussy foot around it.

We have a very similar approach and result. I move even quicker though pushing for the M&G, I mention it in the very first email and it's in my profile prominently (though they barely read them it seems). I'm definitely impatient and my tolerance for exchanging dozens of emails and the like about my hobbies and other small talk just grates on me, especially when I feel like there's a good chance they'll never agree to meet. I find the "want to get to know you" types are often the ones (though not always) who will never actually meet. I literally cringe when I see the two most common replies: "I'd like to get to know you" and "what are you looking for," the second which is pretty spelled out in the profile.

Anyway, curious what personality you think needs the chit chat?

I hate to say it, but I think I just realized I'm the SD version of this at the moment. Definitely looking to change that with everyone's advice.

"what are you looking for" just KILLS me. Can I ask what your response is with this?

No, because of what he said and also because you can get banned from SA. But Yes, you should, so long as you learn to do it tastefully. Younger gals want to be with someone fun and smart and experienced. And much of that comes across in your "game" And if you can discuss these things without making them feel like they are selling their bodies, you will be in deep in no time. Pay attention to their profile info and what they say in their messages. Get them to laugh. dont be rude, crude or socially unacceptable.

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Definitely YES in most decent sized town (Richmond and up).

This is great advice for me! I could definitely see giving this method a shot. Sort of a middle ground between what I've been (unsuccessfully) doing, and spray and pray and getting the PROs.

Ernie, it's a big sugar bowl and everyone should do what works for them.

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Now, for those of you that need them to dress them in a pink onesie and have them suck on a lollipop while holding a teddy bear and apologizing for soiling their diaper, all while while you ream their ass without lube, OK, maybe you should pre-screeen. Not sure on the diplomatic way to put that to them, but Ernie, I'm sure you are up to the task!

LOL at that last paragraph. I've come to understand from everyone's replies that is more than one way to get a pussy naked (skin a cat?) but they all require an active part on moving things along.

I've been to TJ and there you sit down and have a line of ladies chatting you up offering FS. My first night on SA I got into a DM string with a lady who quoted a PPM price and we made plans to M&G and go straight to the FC. Both of these experiences unfortunately had the side-effect of making me think that being passive and polite was a valid method.

What these last 2 months have taught me is that it is, for sure, not a valid method.

Anyway, really appreciate the replies. Here is hoping to (at least) some failed M&Gs on my next report.

Cheers,

Cruzier.

[DogBert77]

No, because of what he said and also because you can get banned from SA. But Yes, you should, so long as you learn to do it tastefully.

Ernie, it's a big sugar bowl and everyone should do what works for them. What I am doing is working just fine for me. I don't really see the point about discussing preferences, unless you have some exotic kinks or you are an absolutist on bare back or something. Personally, my tastes are pretty mainstream. I do have a preference for submissive types, but I have a pretty good nose for those, and it seems like most of the SB population tends that direction anyway, so not a major issue. As far as actual sex acts to be performed, I have not hooked up with a SB yet who was not down for DFK and BBBJ, and only a couple who weren't into DATY, so I just don't see any need to ask. I haven't ahd one yet who went to the FC with me and refused to give FS. Lots of them are not into BBFS. Again, I don't see any point in discussing this online. Lots of girls that will go bare back when approached right will say they won't if you ask them online. And the girls that will broadcast this info online to someone they haven't met are likely to go bare back with lots of guys. I. e. , exactly the girls you don't want to bare back. If your day will not be complete without entering the back door, OK, maybe you need to be clear about this before meeting. Personally, I prefer pussy anyway, so don't need to discuss that either. I usually only plug the pooper after I've been with them a couple times, they are a little more comfortable and I am just looking for something different to do. So I don't feel the need to discuss any of this.

Now, for those of you that need them to dress them in a pink onesie and have them suck on a lollipop while holding a teddy bear and apologizing for soiling their diaper, all while while you ream their ass without lube, OK, maybe you should pre-screeen. Not sure on the diplomatic way to put that to them, but Ernie, I'm sure you are up to the task!

[Ernest Ll]

I just want to add my view on a couple points. You should not be talking about "dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails" AT ALL.

No, because of what he said and also because you can get banned from SA. But Yes, you should, so long as you learn to do it tastefully. Younger gals want to be with someone fun and smart and experienced. And much of that comes across in your "game" And if you can discuss these things without making them feel like they are selling their bodies, you will be in deep in no time. Pay attention to their profile info and what they say in their messages. Get them to laugh. dont be rude, crude or socially unacceptable.

Since SA has taken off the "Lifestyle expectations" screen, you need to make sure you aren't wasting too much time.

I have found its all in mastering the euphamisms. Sorry, but if you have to Google that for a meaning, chances are this strategy won't work for you.

You can get to $ per meet by asking what would be an appropriate "tuition assistance" "Student Loan Relief" "Spring Break Fund" package for an afternoon of her company. Make sure you pay attention to her needs so you can customize that message. You can usually get a LOL out of them in the process, which will save you a $.

"We can meet for lunch and see where the afternoon takes us" "Meet for drinks and dinner....or room service if our in person chemistry is as amazing as it has been online"

I'm also fond of food analogies "we could meet for drinks and dinner and adjourn for dessert and a midnight snack. Maybe even a 3 am feast and / or breakfast in bed".

I've found most gals -- even the obvious non-pros -- are fine with talking about preferences, so long as you don't make them feel like a pro. They want to be comfortable with you as well, and make sure you aren't expecting to be swaddled in a diaper while you suck their nipples. My favorite is "Anything on your no fly list for playtime? About half get it -- and again a LOL -- the less quick will tell me they won't fly to see me or ask for clarification. 90% of them will answer and about 3/4 of those will at least tell you their hard limits. Open minded means different things to different girls, based on their prior experiences, which is one of the reasons I try to figure out their parameters.

Sometimes, they will ask what I'm comfortable offering, and again you can be clear without be crude or direct. "For a dusk to dawn extravaganza experiencing all Bethany has to offer, a ShowCase Showdown of Cash and Prizes valued at $600 can be yours. So hot little Bethany, come on down!

Honestly, in my city it's unbelievable how many hot and almost hot young girls are joining SA every day. They only constraints on getting them are time and money, there is no shortage of pussy.

Definitely YES in most decent sized town (Richmond and up).

[TomDickNHarry]

We have a very similar approach and result. I move even quicker though pushing for the M&G, I mention it in the very first email and it's in my profile prominently (though they barely read them it seems). I'm definitely impatient and my tolerance for exchanging dozens of emails and the like about my hobbies and other small talk just grates on me, especially when I feel like there's a good chance they'll never agree to meet. I find the "want to get to know you" types are often the ones (though not always) who will never actually meet. I literally cringe when I see the two most common replies: "I'd like to get to know you" and "what are you looking for," the second which is pretty spelled out in the profile.

Anyway, curious what personality you think needs the chit chat?

My weakest link is also moving from messaging to M&G. Once I meet a girl, my success rate is very high. One reason may be I have only one profile photo (no face), although I mention in my profile that I would be happy to share pics offline. I am somewhat impatient person, may be I am trying to get to the "business end" of the chat too early. I am mainly trying to weed out picture sellers, time wasters etc. I would typically bring up a possible meet up in person within first 5 to 10 messages. Few occasions, girls went silent after that. I spent few messages chit chat etc, but try to talk them into chat offline ASAP. I am beginning to figure out the personalities that need lengthy chat before moving into business end. The key is that they don't view you as a "creep", and trying to get into their pants quickly (although they sure know what our end goal is). Girls are very different from how we think, just have to understand in order to get into their pants.

Stay safe.

Dr. S.

[DogBert77]

Where my funnel breaks down is converting these numbers into M&Gs / FCs. I do not understand how to transition from talking about weather to talking about dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails. Perhaps that's the weakness of my strategy. Perhaps by being too nice and ensuring access to contact info it weakens the funnel down the line because I am not per-qualifying appropriately.

Cruzier.

Cruzier, you have gotten some great advice on here already. In particular, I think InTight summed it up in his post. If you want pussy, you have to go after it. SA is no different from real life in that way.

I just want to add my view on a couple points. You should not be talking about "dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails" AT ALL. Two reasons for this: (1) the chicks who want to do this are going to engage in an online auction. They are going to go to the highest bidder. You don't want to be the highest bidder. You want to get the pussy and keep as much of your cash as possible. So don't play that game. If the girls insist on it, just move on. (2) you say that your aren't really looking for pros and UTR's but those are exactly the ones most likely to want to set price online in advance. The non-pro, college girls types do not want to do this. They don't want to think they are selling their body for cash. Let them think that. Play along with it. I avoid ever talking about cash if possible, even at the meet and greet. It is amazing how many girls you can penetrate without discussing price at all. Once you've had them, you can give them whatever you want. (Of course, if you want them again, you can't be too cheap!

Honestly, in my city it's unbelievable how many hot and almost hot young girls are joining SA every day. They only constraints on getting them are time and money, there is no shortage of pussy.