"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

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Bingo, word of mouth.

There is a sorority at VCU that happens to have a lot of SBs, they all know each other and talk.

I've seen a list a SB showed me. It was a spreadsheet of SDs, how much they offered in $, and notes about them. A SB showed it to me right after she attended a SB get-together.

I agree with Kevin that these girls don't like to work hard. But they most-certainly do have their shit together enough to compile lists.

These sorority girls are sharp when it comes to fleecing guys on Seeking. Their goal is to extract as much cash from us as possible without giving up the P.

How many of us have met a girl who claims to be new to the sugar bowl, but then throws phrases like PPM around once money is mentioned? They network and help each other with profile advice, $, etc.

[Cruzier1]

I've posted a few questions in here but today marks my earnest entry into the bowl.

I'm coming up on the end of my second month of paid membership, and looking back through my accomplishments I see that I have none. I've gotten too many messages to even begin to count. I've gotten maybe 10 or so contacts (phone numbers and / or emails). And yet I've been on a single M&G that did not go anywhere. And I see that I am squarely to blame.

I've read that this is a numbers game so obviously what I need to do is work on my funnel and go on more M&Gs. More failed M&Gs means that a successful one is that much closer.

I've practiced the intro message and do well there. I've even practiced the couple follow up messages and am getting pretty decent at getting either a phone number or email. The "secret" is literally just make small talk. Just make small talk until they offer up the contact info. Nothing more, nothing less. No sex talk, no arrangement talk, no anything, really. Just talk about what you did last weekend. What you're going to do next weekend. What the weather is like. At some point, with some ladies it is sooner, and some ladies it is later, they will drop a number. Easy.

Where my funnel breaks down is converting these numbers into M&Gs / FCs. I do not understand how to transition from talking about weather to talking about dollars per meet / sexual preferences in texts or emails. Perhaps that's the weakness of my strategy. Perhaps by being too nice and ensuring access to contact info it weakens the funnel down the line because I am not per-qualifying appropriately.

I have gotten the full spectrum of messages, however. From endless penpal style talks of the weather to first message into single email with an attached crotch shot and full a la carte menu. Sometimes I feel it is less what I say and more whoever I am saying it to. Still, I am not really in search of obvious pros /UTRs. If I was I would just follow up with every "hey" message I get, which is tons.

The question that is hidden in here is what is the progression or "tempo", of you will, of messages on SA and the followup text / emails? Obviously this varies but anyone want to take a stab at some general guidelines? Also, how does one first broach the subject.

In closing I will say the worst question I've been faced with is "what's your ideal arrangement?" Do I really just say 1 time a week for $$ in a mid range hotel halfway between me and you, I'll bring the refreshments if you bring the entertainment and drop the mic? Advice here is appreciated.

One step at a time.

Cruzier.

[Tidad]

Bingo, word of mouth.

There is a sorority at VCU that happens to have a lot of SBs, they all know each other and talk.

Why all the mystery? Why not say which sorority?

[Taylor Taste]

Total waste of time. She wanted to know details of my past arrangements and how "compensation" for her time would be provided per activity.

She is on and off SA so much that she won't be much of a lawyer if she can't negotiate a long term deal for herself.

Yes. I'm quite sure there's a pretty clear and direct relationship between setting clear expectations as to compensation for her work and failure in the many varied career paths she may take with her JD.

[DWinthrop]

I had one tell me last summer I had a reputation of moving on after a few dates. She blocked me before I could reply to that. I have unknowingly been out with SA roomates and ones that had friends on SA. So that reputation may be word of mouth not from a list somewhere.

Bingo, word of mouth.

There is a sorority at VCU that happens to have a lot of SBs, they all know each other and talk.

[DWinthrop]

Don't underestimate these girls. They suck at adulting maybe but theyre on top of their game when it comes to texting & social media.

I've also seen them post notes, both positive & negative using the Mr Number app. I check my play & real cell number from time to time. Nothing on my real number but my play number has a comment, "Bell Road Guy, very nice & tips". Was left a few years ago from a regular traveling escort I use to see when she came to town. She also White Listed me on TER, which was nice of her.

Another reason for using a burner or second number texting app. A few times fellow Mongers have texted me & must have been using their work phones. The company or organization they worked for automatically showed instead of the number they were texting me from. I let one Monger know to give him a heads up & I think he flipped out. Never heard from him again.

I downloaded the app when it was free to know when telemarketers were calling my cell. Now you can download a paid version that will give you the name of anyone texting or calling from a land line or cell. Of course no info from a burner or texting app, so far.

I think there is definitely a word of mouth reputation thing. But the college / amateur SBs don't keep a communally updated "list" The UTR / escorts types, certainly have some more formal ratings etc.

However, I get a new profile every time I pay for a month of SA, specifically so I don't run into these issues.

I have been with two 18 yo VCU students who are roommates and on the site, they obviously communicate. Turns out there are about 10 girls in a sorority who do this, and they obviously compare notes. But the idea of them sharing an organized "List" with their friends at other colleges is silly.

A daily list would be an awful of of work, and most of 18-21 college girls I'm banging from SA aren't on it because they like to work hard.

[DoggieFan]

I'd like to know more about the list? Is it on facebook, or instagram? Email?

To be honest, it sounds a little more organized than these ****** are capable of.

Don't underestimate these girls. They suck at adulting maybe but theyre on top of their game when it comes to texting & social media.

I've also seen them post notes, both positive & negative using the Mr Number app. I check my play & real cell number from time to time. Nothing on my real number but my play number has a comment, "Bell Road Guy, very nice & tips". Was left a few years ago from a regular traveling escort I use to see when she came to town. She also White Listed me on TER, which was nice of her.

Another reason for using a burner or second number texting app. A few times fellow Mongers have texted me & must have been using their work phones. The company or organization they worked for automatically showed instead of the number they were texting me from. I let one Monger know to give him a heads up & I think he flipped out. Never heard from him again.

I downloaded the app when it was free to know when telemarketers were calling my cell. Now you can download a paid version that will give you the name of anyone texting or calling from a land line or cell. Of course no info from a burner or texting app, so far.

[JustLonely]

I'd like to know more about the list? Is it on facebook, or instagram? Email?

To be honest, it sounds a little more organized than these ****** are capable of.

I had one tell me last summer I had a reputation of moving on after a few dates. She blocked me before I could reply to that. I have unknowingly been out with SA roomates and ones that had friends on SA. So that reputation may be word of mouth not from a list somewhere.

[JustLonely]

How about this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/0c9e1...f-880a293b2414.

Messaged with her a little bit, seems to have a very high opinion of herself. Anyone have any experience?

Total waste of time. She wanted to know details of my past arrangements and how "compensation" for her time would be provided per activity.

She is on and off SA so much that she won't be much of a lawyer if she can't negotiate a long term deal for herself.

[DWinthrop]

If you wind up on "The List," the girls will band together to get you kicked off. An updated list goes out daily through social media. I had to go back and make it up to the original girl who put me on there in order to get off of it. It involves the SA girls from VCU, you of are, UVA, and Tech. Have you ever gotten blocked before even talking to a girl? That's why.

I'd like to know more about the list? Is it on facebook, or instagram? Email?

To be honest, it sounds a little more organized than these ****** are capable of.

[Tidad]

If you wind up on "The List," the girls will band together to get you kicked off. An updated list goes out daily through social media. I had to go back and make it up to the original girl who put me on there in order to get off of it. It involves the SA girls from VCU, you of are, UVA, and Tech. Have you ever gotten blocked before even talking to a girl? That's why.

Where have you seen this list?

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I have a pic, so that gave me the ability to message. I sent out a msg to some old SB's with my new phone # so that was probably it. Guess I need to sign up again with a new email.

Check out the SugarLifestyleForum reddit. They have some good tips on how not to get banned, or how to get back on if banned.

Be aware that it's moderated by sugar babies with GPS.

[Spiderrva]

I just went to sign into my SA account, I am not premium, and got messaged that my account has been deleted. Anyone else ever have this happen?

If you wind up on "The List," the girls will band together to get you kicked off. An updated list goes out daily through social media. I had to go back and make it up to the original girl who put me on there in order to get off of it. It involves the SA girls from VCU, you of are, UVA, and Tech. Have you ever gotten blocked before even talking to a girl? That's why.

[ErkTheOne]

How about this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/0c9e1...f-880a293b2414.

Messaged with her a little bit, seems to have a very high opinion of herself. Anyone have any experience?

[ErkTheOne]

Anyone know anything about this one? https://www.seeking.com/member/0abe3...9-b6a2dea815b3.

Have tried talking with her a few times and she will message back once or twice but then go dark.