"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[PeteMc]

I appreciate the advice but no need to get hostile. Yes, I'm being told the girl is no good. The vast majority of the females discussed on this forum are not saints. Lies will be told and they will be manipulative at times but at the end of the day every man wants to get a nut or two for little or nothing. I'm not trying to save her. I've already said no more money flow. I got what I wanted and if the opportunity presents itself later down the road, I will approach it differently with the advice I've been given. I shared my situation on here to get expert advice and because it might help someone else in the same boat. Trust me, if you and I stood side by side and and the same girl you are telling me to avoid wanted to give you some, you would have your bone in her: it's just how the world works.

I'm going to be a bit kinder in my response, but the moment I read you baked her a cake I was already shaking my head and could have predicted most of the rest. I'm not saying this to insult you, but having been sugaring since before the websites came along, I have noticed that the majority of SBs are submissive personalities -- this means they WANT to be handled. They consider their own decision making capabilities a mess (and they usually are) and they literally derive comfort in the presence of a dominant male who will tell them how its going to be every step of the way. So, if you have a more submissive (or woman pleasing) nature when it comes to your relationships with women (and there's nothing wrong with that), I think you could be in for a bumpy ride unless you start investing some time to profile the girlspsychologically and identify the subtle clues before investing any time or money in them.

Assuming I'm right in that you possess that "woman-pleasing" gene, I think you can definitely find what you're looking for, but it will help your cause to understand you're a rarer breed. There are plenty of girls there that seek out / crave guys with your trait, it just might be harder to pick them among the general SB population.

[FarFarAway]

What do you think of profiles that have lots of pics of the girl? More than 6, I've seen even 18. Perhaps she has a big ego, and that will mean GPS? They often are some nice pics, quality photography, perhaps even 'modeling'. Should we just skip over those POTs?

[LoriTruck]

Dude, that's the money quote right there. Not to be too harsh but you need to fuckin step away from any female and spend some time learning about women. You clearly need to catch up on some basics. Reread the 'rational male' until you can recite it from memory. At that point maybe you'll have a fighting chance.

Any girl that tells you that doesn't give two shits about you, no girl is that altruistic. She's setting you up for 'captain save a ho' and is clearly trying to manipulate you. Pay attention to what everyone here is telling you, it's for your own good.

I appreciate the advice but no need to get hostile. Yes, I'm being told the girl is no good. The vast majority of the females discussed on this forum are not saints. Lies will be told and they will be manipulative at times but at the end of the day every man wants to get a nut or two for little or nothing. I'm not trying to save her. I've already said no more money flow. I got what I wanted and if the opportunity presents itself later down the road, I will approach it differently with the advice I've been given. I shared my situation on here to get expert advice and because it might help someone else in the same boat. Trust me, if you and I stood side by side and and the same girl you are telling me to avoid wanted to give you some, you would have your bone in her: it's just how the world works.

[PeteMc]

Which hotels do not display your name on the startup screen? From what I can tell, all Marriott and Aloft do.

[EvilTmp]

I'll give her a 9 in looks, the body a 9, and the performance gets a 9 as well. Early on when things were good, to her credit, she made attempts to spend time. She would invite me over for cuddles and waffles (her words.)
**** She would confess at times that the reason she would ghost was because she thought I was TGTBT and that she didn't want to corrupt me. ******

Dude, that's the money quote right there. Not to be too harsh but you need to fuckin step away from any female and spend some time learning about women. You clearly need to catch up on some basics. Reread the 'rational male' until you can recite it from memory. At that point maybe you'll have a fighting chance.

Any girl that tells you that doesn't give two shits about you, no girl is that altruistic. She's setting you up for 'captain save a ho' and is clearly trying to manipulate you. Pay attention to what everyone here is telling you, it's for your own good.

[LoriTruck]

If she really is that hot, I would agree that she would be hard to pass on if she resurfaces on her own. If you back off, the odds she returms on her own go way up.

If she does resurface, the smart thing to do would be to pass, but we all know when it comes to pussy we don't always do the smart thing! LOL. Honestly, if she came back on her own I would probably make another run at her, but with extreme caution.

Best of luck!

I'll give her a 9 in looks, the body a 9, and the performance gets a 9 as well. Early on when things were good, to her credit, she made attempts to spend time. She would invite me over for cuddles and waffles (her words.) There were times she would want to come to my place and watch a movie with no mention of allowance. We never would meet though due to scheduling and the timing wasn't good on my end. She would confess at times that the reason she would ghost was because she thought I was TGTBT and that she didn't want to corrupt me. Things started off with promise and potential and I did admit that I dropped the ball. I guess I care too much at times. Who she chooses to spend her time with is not a big issue. I told her once that she has her life I have mine, I just don't believe in burning bridges. You never know when you may need to cross it again. I'm sure she'll be back. If she moved on completely, she would kindly tell me she moved on or simply block me. Women can be ruthless at times. You can do a million good things but it's the one fuck up that destroys everything. We men are more forgiving. I'll admit it's tough when you lose your Ace and don't have a back up. It took alot of work to hook this one and equally the same amount of work to try and land the next gem. One more question, she made me a gift for my B-day over a month ago. Do I return it? There's no need in hanging on to it and by returning it and ghosting her, she'll always remember the good times hopefully LOL.

[DoggieFan]

Let it go brother. You are chasing to hard, it's too many women on that site with less drama in their lives for you to be chasing after her like this. I honestly prefer not to deal with sugar babies like this. She have too much going on, someone else will appreciate what you want to do for her. It's best to find a baby whose genuinely interested in you. She's not intetested.

Brother, rent, don't buy!

Don't be butt hurt she's fucking other guys. You didn't meet her at a church social.

Go find someone else and try to not take it all so serious. Your doing great if you've only spent $250 on her. Give her some space & let her come to you. If you ghost her, she will. It fucks with their head just like it's fucked with yours. That's just basic Psychology 101 shit.

When I look back on my awesome LTSB of two and a half years, the periods she ghosted me & caused me heartache were self induced. If I didn't see her every couple of weeks or she didn't text me every few days I got needy, clingy & upset. Very unattractive to a gorgeous 20 something that already has a live in BF!

She told me once I was her mini vacation & she could only juggle one relationship at a time. To her credit, she stayed with me for eight months after they got engaged. That meant a lot to me.

PM me if you need to talk.

[Madaboutmax]

Exactly this!

Some tough love here: When girls talk about a guy being "creepy" they are describing a someone who is behaving like you are.

Your homework is to read the "Best of Rational Male" articles on http://therationalmale.com starting with Year One. That will get you going. Your journey begins now.

Source: Was where you are once.

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[Kwagmire]

Hello Team

Some tough love here: When girls talk about a guy being "creepy" they are describing someone who is behaving like you are.

Your homework is to read the "Best of Rational Male" articles on http://therationalmale.com starting with Year One. That will get you going. Your journey begins now.

Source: Was where you are once.

[Madaboutmax]

If she really is that hot, I would agree that she would be hard to pass on if she resurfaces on her own. If you back off, the odds she returms on her own go way up.

If she does resurface, the smart thing to do would be to pass, but we all know when it comes to pussy we don't always do the smart thing! LOL. Honestly, if she came back on her own I would probably make another run at her, but with extreme caution.

Best of luck!

I appreciate all the good advice. The ones with issues turn out to be the best lay and most fun since they are more adventurous but moving on is the best thing. One more question; Let's say I leave her alone and weeks or maybe a couple of months down the road she reaches out to me. I've already invested roughly 250 on her total with all the help, meetups, overnight stay etc. I feel like I got a good return on investment. I have no intentions on spending another penny on her. What does a brother do in that situation? Especially if free loving is in the offer.

[LoriTruck]

You're doing way too much. It unhealthy for your mental welness and will only push her further away from you.

Kust leave her alone and move on. She's has a lot of issues and she is just mot thay in to you.

I appreciate all the good advice. The ones with issues turn out to be the best lay and most fun since they are more adventurous but moving on is the best thing. One more question; Let's say I leave her alone and weeks or maybe a couple of months down the road she reaches out to me. I've already invested roughly 250 on her total with all the help, meetups, overnight stay etc. I feel like I got a good return on investment. I have no intentions on spending another penny on her. What does a brother do in that situation? Especially if free loving is in the offer.

[Madaboutmax]

Hello Team....

You're doing way too much. It's unhealthy for your mental wellness and will only push her further away from you.

Just leave her alone and move on. She's has a lot of issues and she is just not thay in to you.

[Bigsqueeze]

Hello Team / Special Councel, I got a situation but I'm not sure how to tackle it. .... The best friend also kept saying she wanted some D* ...

Get over that sugar plum. Drop her. Move on. Hit up the friend give her the D.

[Falar]

Let it go brother. You are chasing to hard, it's too many women on that site with less drama in their lives for you to be chasing after her like this. I honestly prefer not to deal with sugar babies like this. She have too much going on, someone else will appreciate what you want to do for her. It's best to find a baby whose genuinely interested in you. She's not intetested.

Hello Team / Special Councel, I got a situation but I'm not sure how to tackle it. I met a sugar plum early in the year. It took a couple of weeks before we connected but it was worth the wait. A get to know tongue pierced BBBJ in my car, total beans spent was roughly 80. Before the BJ, she asked if that made her a hoe. I lied and told her no. For reasons unknown, she went ghost and I didn't hear from her. Sent her a message on the site and learned she was having phone issues. We conversed again for a couple of weeks, our schedules never aligned then crickets again. Knowing where she lived, I baked a cake and took it to her, which opened the lines of communication again after she asked what my number was (really?) Talk about amnesia LOL.

She needed help with her phone one day so I advanced her 60 on V-day. 4 days later she purchases a car but had tire issues. She gives me the silent treatment for a few days so I stop by with some food since she didn't work and making ends meet was a struggle for her. We rekindle the conversation and I let her know I'm not looking to get into a relationship with you if that's why you keep ghosting. I'm just trying to help you out. I helped her get a tire on her car which didn't cost but 35 for a used one.

About a week later we are texting and she asked if I wanted to go to some space DJ show with her and her best friend. She even offered to ride with me. It was roughly an hour away so I agreed. Her best friend was meeting up with a guy friend at the show and if they hit things off, she was going to ride to wherever with the guy friend and the sugar plum was going to ride with me. Well we make the trip with the sugar plum in the passenger seat and her best friend in the back seat. I would occasionally give a back rub when she leaned forward causing her best friend to complain and say "I want some attention too. " The best friend also kept saying she wanted some D* I'm not sure what these girls smoked or what they had to drink when I picked them up but they were saying all the right words. Shoot, the sugar plum asked me if I was going to get wasted and added that she wanted me to so she can take advantage of me.

We get to where we were going, 30 for me to get in since she already had a ticket, enjoyed the show, got a few drinks, she wore some leggings and I wore some dri fit pants so she would occasionally twerk and grind on me to the music. After about 3 hours, it's late. Her best friend goes off with the guy and me and the sugar plum head to my house about an hour away. We chat and get to know each other. I find out that she is into girls. Dated one girl for a year and the best friend that rode in the back seat to the show was the 1st girl she ever got with. Halfway home, I reach into a secret compartment in my wallet, you know, that little zipper away from the cash. I pull out one of those blue smurf pills and bit off half that way by the time I get home, I'll be ready. She saw me take it and asked what I was taking. "Um nothing" LOL.

We get to my house and I Waffle housesd, Ihoped her. I made her scrambled eggs and bacon. We ate, we were both tired and I gave her 2 options. I took her to the guest bedroom and told her option one is you can sleep here. Took her to the master bedroom and told her option 2 is here. She asked where I was sleeping and I told her option 2. She chose wisely when she also said she wanted option 2. We start making out, turns into a nice BBBJ, she tells me she's on her period. Not knowing when I'll see this girl again I go with it. She likes it rough, wants to be choked, after 3 positions I shot my best shot. I checkout my little man and there was little to no blood so aunt flow had started packing to leave town. We sleep well passed noon. I make her some food even some to take to her best friend and took her to her best friend's appartment.

2 weeks later, she applied for a job, needed background check money so I gave her 30. Late one night she barely had gas money. I offered her help, said I would bring it by. She told me not to, she'll try to handle but I went anyway LOL. Big mistake on my part. I get there and she's in her car with some dude. I roll my window down to speak and she drives off. Ever caught your sugar baby cheating? Not a good feeling. Not saying they did the deed but obviously she was embarrassed. I sent her a text and she pretended as if she didn't know it was me. Oh well. After that night I don't hear much from her. She doesn't call me handsome or sexy any more LOL. Is it over? Do I have a shot of making things right? Here's the kicker, her best friend just joined the site a few days ago. Do I hit up the best friend? Could this turn into a mindblowing threesome or will they join forces, string me along and play me for a fool? Best friends talk and share more than they need to with each other.

The sad part is the sugar plum is still having car problems. The tire I had replaced on her car, I now notice a donut so looks like it went flat. The little paper tag on her car pretty much is expired, they are good for usually 45 days after the purchase of a vehicle. I offered to take her grocery shopping once and she was feeding a neighbors pig that day. I offered the next day and she claimed she had a job interview that day. A text asking how the interview went? Crickets. I stopped by her place and lo and behold, some guy is there with her. Not sure if he walked there or he doesn't have a vehicle and she picked him up and brought her to her place, which she shares with a parent, but I would not be surprised if that was the same guy I saw her with that night I wish I could have a re-do. I should've stayed home that night and just let her handle her business lol. She introduced me to the guy and said it was her friend. When I left she told me to text her but no response to my texts. Anyhow, the crowd she chooses to make a priority is not helping her financially. Plate is about to expire and I doubt she even has car insurance.

[Grafenberg]

Hello Team / Special Councel

If I was her lawyer I'd recommend that she have a restraining order on you.