Sugar Daddy Sites

[HollywoodGuy]

So I am taking a chance on a pepperdine freshman. A genuine NP looking for a first time experience. Lots of txting and planning required for this one. I am going to uber her to santa monica and go from there. She can think its a date. But for me its going to be an M&G. If she isn't enamored, then off she goes back to malibu.

But we already discussed the FC and she seems "excited". Her words. Hope she doesn't flake, as the date is like 10 days away. Hit her up her first day on the site. But I can see she logs on a lot. She could be off the site before I even get to see her. Meaning she is either long gone due to cold feet, or maybe just gets frustrated with the site, but not me. Lots of variables to contend with.

[HollywoodGuy]

HWGuy wins the SA award for most successful downloads of all time. Damn I hope you keep a scrap book!

A) You should teach a course (is there still a Learning ANNEX?

B) Just curious are you a rain coat or BB kind of player? If I may ask when and how you determine to cover up or go BB?

I used to go bare. But after too many scares, I go covered. I dont really trust anyone anymore.

[BigBadNut]

My average over the years has been 1 out of 30 girls makes it to LTR status.

HWGuy wins the SA award for most successful downloads of all time. Damn I hope you keep a scrap book!

A) You should teach a course (is there still a Learning ANNEX?

B) Just curious are you a rain coat or BB kind of player? If I may ask when and how you determine to cover up or go BB?

[HollywoodGuy]

There's a real disconnect between the marketing of SA and the reality. I've been on reddit and it was absolutely mind-blowing. All it is is girls snipping and sabotaging each other:

Girl 1: well all I do is a BJ once in a while and I get $400 every week.

Girl 2: giiiirl!, you're getting played! I get $1000 every week and all we do is shop and eat dinner.

Girl 3: you two are losers. I get a new BMW every single week and all I do is send him 1 text message per day.

And on, and on.

Meanwhile, all the guys are going: I pay $150 to maybe $300 for FS, multi-hours. I have no idea what all them bitches are talking about.

Every girl has a one time story of some guy they (or a friend, or some girl they read about online) played and got lucky. I know of a few crazy true stories myself. But even the HEF only paid his girls 2k a month plus room and board. Which is a pretty hefty load (no pun intended) when you are talking about a dozen girls at a time. Not counting his x wife and two kids in that equation.

[HollywoodGuy]

Long term arrangements are very, very rare. Once you've had a girl once or twice, the appeal is diminishing very rapidly. In my experience less than 10% of all the girls you will meet will go beyond 1 month or a couple of meets. It takes an amazing gem to make it to the 6 or 12 months mark. As a paying customer your requirements will be higher for each meeting and you'll always wonder who else you can you meet with your hard-earned money (hey, a new toy!).

My average over the years has been 1 out of 30 girls makes it to LTR status.

[DogBert77]

There's a real disconnect between the marketing of SA and the reality.

Word. I don't think it's accidental. I think SA has two motivations: (1) avoid getting shut down; and (2) getting the girls on the site. They know if the girls are there, the paying members (men) will show up.

Really, our interests are aligned with SA on this. I don't want them to get shut down (and I don't think it's at all likely). And I do want the girls there, lots of them.

The problem is that for (1) SA has to pump out the marketing bullshit that it is a "dating" site, so naturally some girls show up expecting that. That is not that big a problem, just need to educate those girls on how the world works. I am happy to educate them with my dick. (2) is a bigger problem, because to get the girls on the site, they inflate their financial expectations enormously. Educating the girls about market prices is harder work and dicier.

But the combination of (1) and (2) has resulted in an absolute metric shit ton of tasty young girls on the site, so even though it makes our work harder, it's not all bad.

[NewLit]

My only concern with sugar babes is that they are not true professionals. This might be good until things work well, but I wonder whether the lack of professionalism might come and bit you in the ass once the relationship is over, or if the sugar babe is not happy about the treatment you are giving her. Any experience with sugar babes blackmailing you after the relationship is over? Or calling you to get more money or telling you "I'll spill the beans with your wife or girlfriend"?

[EvilTmp]

This was the biggest surprise to me about SA. If you believe the bullshit the site pumps out, or the crap that gets posted on Reddit, you think that you have to commit to a monthly payroll. Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. I would say it's a small percentage who are even looking for that, and even fewer who get it. The vast majority of girls are fine with PPM. Some of them prefer more of a "dating" interaction, where you don't give them cash but take them places and give them gifts. I prefer the simplicity of PPM, and am pretty sure that it is cheaper in the end.

The trick, the art, and in my opinion, part of the fun of the whole deal, is maneuvering them to the FC without acknowledging the P4 P aspect any more than you have to. This allows you to access girls who don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes. Done correctly, it enables you to nail a hot young girl who is very low mileage, trying really hard to make you feel good and who is not in a hurry. I just don't know where else I can get that.

There's a real disconnect between the marketing of SA and the reality. I've been on reddit and it was absolutely mind-blowing. All it is is girls snipping and sabotaging each other:

Girl 1: well all I do is a BJ once in a while and I get $400 every week.

Girl 2: giiiirl!, you're getting played! I get $1000 every week and all we do is shop and eat dinner.

Girl 3: you two are losers. I get a new BMW every single week and all I do is send him 1 text message per day.

And on, and on.

Meanwhile, all the guys are going: I pay $150 to maybe $300 for FS, multi-hours. I have no idea what all them bitches are talking about.

[DogBert77]

Long term arrangements are very, very rare...... In my experience less than 10% of all the girls you will meet will go beyond 1 month or a couple of meets. It takes an amazing gem to make it to the 6 or 12 months mark.

This was the biggest surprise to me about SA. If you believe the bullshit the site pumps out, or the crap that gets posted on Reddit, you think that you have to commit to a monthly payroll. Absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. I would say it's a small percentage who are even looking for that, and even fewer who get it. The vast majority of girls are fine with PPM. Some of them prefer more of a "dating" interaction, where you don't give them cash but take them places and give them gifts. I prefer the simplicity of PPM, and am pretty sure that it is cheaper in the end.

The trick, the art, and in my opinion, part of the fun of the whole deal, is maneuvering them to the FC without acknowledging the P4 P aspect any more than you have to. This allows you to access girls who don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes. Done correctly, it enables you to nail a hot young girl who is very low mileage, trying really hard to make you feel good and who is not in a hurry. I just don't know where else I can get that.

[EvilTmp]

I am very interested in having a sugar baby, or a few, but I am wary of it because with professionals, you basically make the decision that you want to go on a date, it costs a certain amount of money, and it's over. With a sugar baby, it seems like it is more of a long term arrangement in which you have to set aside a certain amount of money per month specifically, rather than going on dates as you feel like it.

Alas, I am very interested in the experience of having a sugar baby, as it seems to be a much safer arrangement than seeing professionals, and the nuances of it are quite appealing.

Long term arrangements are very, very rare. Once you've had a girl once or twice, the appeal is diminishing very rapidly. In my experience less than 10% of all the girls you will meet will go beyond 1 month or a couple of meets. It takes an amazing gem to make it to the 6 or 12 months mark. As a paying customer your requirements will be higher for each meeting and you'll always wonder who else you can you meet with your hard-earned money (hey, a new toy!).

[HollywoodGuy]

Even after laying it out for them on seeking, sometimes they still don't get it or are hoping for a miracle. As I never get overly explicit on the site.

HER
You'd pay 100 to meet me for a date to see if there's a connection?

ME
Pretty close. Email me at fuckme@email.com for the details. I like to make things as easy as possible.

Via email I will spell it out for her, one out of 3 or 4 take the T&C's.

[SWalkerRanger]

Professional = pro. Uses any and all marketing tactics to get clients, as many as possible.

UTR. A pro on the down low. Uses the SD sites due to being busted on the street or some other bad experience.

SB = takes cash for sex (preferably monogamous, but no guarantees)(could be high or low mileage).

Non pro (conservative definition) = you are the first guy she has ever taken money from for sex.

Non pro (liberal definition) = may have taken money for sex a few times but still a novice (not hardened in any way).

Also an SB or non pro may want to do all the GF stuff and spend a bunch of time with you, get emotionally connected, etc. Something a pro or UTR is not likely to do. Its all very nuanced, but the bottom line is you can score a lot of very low mileage gals at good prices, many from middle class or even upper class homes. College girls galore, and girls with heavy sex fantasies, party girls, just all around fun girls. If that's what you want. Many guys do not for just as many reasons.

Today my SB/GF (not monogamous) says to me, "you never take me anywhere, every time I see you all we do is fuck"... Official GF status has kicked in. She doesn't ask for my cash, just the normal dating expenses, feels entitled to see me at least 3 times a week. etc. etc. When she was on allowance I saw her max once a week. Its all I could afford. But she wanted more, so she agreed to take less. Its all in the balance and where you want the pendulum to swing.

I am very interested in having a sugar baby, or a few, but I am wary of it because with professionals, you basically make the decision that you want to go on a date, it costs a certain amount of money, and it's over. With a sugar baby, it seems like it is more of a long term arrangement in which you have to set aside a certain amount of money per month specifically, rather than going on dates as you feel like it.

Alas, I am very interested in the experience of having a sugar baby, as it seems to be a much safer arrangement than seeing professionals, and the nuances of it are quite appealing.

[HollywoodGuy]

Professional. Gal who has a presence on on the internet, but not SA, and fucks for money.

Non pro. Gal who is on SA, and may be on other sites on the internet, and fucks for money.

UTR = Gal who is on SA, and fucks for free, making it appear to the untrained eye that she is in fact a pro, and because she always flakes, may actually be a nonpro.

Professional = pro. Uses any and all marketing tactics to get clients, as many as possible.

UTR. A pro on the down low. Uses the SD sites due to being busted on the street or some other bad experience.

SB = takes cash for sex (preferably monogamous, but no guarantees)(could be high or low mileage).

Non pro (conservative definition) = you are the first guy she has ever taken money from for sex.

Non pro (liberal definition) = may have taken money for sex a few times but still a novice (not hardened in any way and really has no clue what they are doing... yet).

Also an SB or non pro may want to do all the GF stuff and spend a bunch of time with you, get emotionally connected, etc. Something a pro or UTR is not likely to do. Its all very nuanced, but the bottom line is you can score a lot of very low mileage gals at good prices, many from middle class or even upper class homes. College girls galore, and girls with heavy sex fantasies, party girls, just all around fun girls. If that's what you want. Many guys do not for just as many reasons.

Today my SB/GF (not monogamous) says to me, "you never take me anywhere, every time I see you all we do is fuck"... Official GF status has kicked in. She doesn't ask for my cash, just the normal dating expenses, feels entitled to see me at least 3 times a week. etc. etc. When she was on allowance I saw her max once a week. Its all I could afford. But she wanted more, so she agreed to take less. Its all in the balance and where you want the pendulum to swing.

[PriscillaM]

Also if you read the post it says they are all UTR's. Not NP's. Actually # 4 was going to do it for free. But she flaked. I am sure she is sleeping because I know she works graveyard starting at midnite. Glad I have a regular, when my live in goes out with her GF's tonite I am going to uber her over.

Professional. Gal who has a presence on on the internet, but not SA, and fucks for money.

Non pro. Gal who is on SA, and may be on other sites on the internet, and fucks for money.

UTR. Gal who is on SA, and fucks for free, making it appear to the untrained eye that she is in fact a pro, and because she always flakes, may actually be a nonpro.

[HollywoodGuy]

I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.

Also if you read the post it says they are all UTR's. Not NP's. Actually # 4 was going to do it for free. But she flaked. I am sure she is sleeping because I know she works graveyard starting at midnite. Glad I have a regular, when my live in goes out with her GF's tonite I am going to uber her over.