Massage Parlor Reports

[LongWhiskers]

Some misunderstanding here about traffic stops and making statements;.

1) Police DO NOT have to read you Miranda warnings (your rights) unless you are a.) in custody and b.) being questioned. For practical reasons that means whatever you volunteer during a routine traffic stop or other police inquiry can be used against you. Do not say anything if questioned about potential criminal activity. The police know that most people are confused about this and they will exploit it because they know it might be their only bite at the apple.

2) You MUST provide your identity if asked by police. If stopped for a traffic violation after visiting a spa it may just be a coincidence. If the conversation goes to where you are coming from or what you were doing at the place, then assume the stop was a ruse. Politely say you do not wish to make any statements without first contacting your attorney. If they persist then you can ask if you are free to leave. Do not make any statements other than your identity information. Tell the police you are not willing to make any statements and would like to contact an attorney first for your own protection. Do not try to lie or make up any stories, it will go bad for you quickly. By stating you want an attorney and are not willing to make any statements you are telling the truth and not breaking any law.

3) The Miranda warning states in part, ". Anything you say can / will be used against you", so if that is the case, what can you possibly say on your behalf, even if you are completely innocent? Nothing! There is nothing in Miranda that states what you say will be used to exonerate or clear you. This warning is telling you that even if you are innocent the police can use your statements against you. So do not say anything. Get an attorney.

4) If arrested and taken to a police station for booking, do not make any statements other than basic identity, etc. Like the information on your driver license. If police want to give you a chance to tell "your side of the story" tell them you would be willing to but only after first consulting with an attorney. If you are in custody, that means not free to leave, request an attorney. If you are in custody and the police want to ask you questions state you want an attorney. They are not supposed to ask you any questions when in custody and you request an attorney.

Any lawyer or police officer will tell you that if they were questioned as a suspect they would also remain silent an ask for an attorney. If they would do it, why shouldn't you?

Kraft has two heavy hitting lawyers. They will try to suppress evidence first because no evidence = no charges. It's always the weakest link. Kraft is only one of a few really rich people charged here, so expect millions of dollars to be spent on simple misdemeanor charge defense due to the embarrassing nature of the crimes.

The woman who was "trafficked" may turn out to be a willing prostitute that only claimed she was "forced" so as not to be charged as a prostitute. It will be clear under cross-examination later. Forced = trafficked, Willing = smuggled or just a prostitute, but not trafficked.

Many a fat 50 year-old bald man (nothing personal guys, LOL) has married the 25 year-old Russian Internet bride only to get her a visa and a few months later she leaves him. Organizations like Catholic Social Services will coach them to say they were abused and boom, immigration judge grants them entry based on the victimization. If these "victims" were willing prostitutes and found to be lying to cover their assess then the whole trafficking thing will go down the drain.

At least one man was already mis-identified by police and the charges dropped against him, that means even though it seems air tight mistakes were still made.

Why is there no further media coverage or police statements regarding the" armed men" who were transporting the women? They are way more high priority felons than anyone else mentioned so far. Where did they get this information?

Also curious, I searched the posts here from the affected counties and have not seen one entry of anyone being stopped by police for a traffic violation after visiting a massage parlor. None of the men stopped are members here or from any other location? I would expect to see some, at least posted before they were taken down just out of suspicion. If it were going on now in other counties I would also expect someone would have posted about being stopped.

[Ding A Ling]

https://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-p...hidden-cameras

Good read. The police took intel from this site as part of their effort to secure a warrant.

Yup. Exactly.

Some dodo birds on this site think everything they say is not being used as intel. Cause it was a dream! Lmfao.

[MrOrlando]

So I went to BO and found out all the girls were with ONE client. Snow said he was celebrating his bday or something. She asked if I wanted to wait, and I thought about it, also thought having mamasan herself, and she was willing, if a little bit reluctant (said she wasn't a professional, so it wouldn't be as good as if I waited for Rita) and since I like enthusiastim I said I'd come back later. Whoever you are, happy birthday you lucky asshole LOL.

[RBurgandy82]

Anyone here ever heard of or been here? Fairly intriguing.

https://escortalligator.com.orlando....post/30312326/

[Jokester1]

I read an article today where the lead detective said for every guy the tracker down 5 got away. Also they had 3 detectives watching live CCTV at headquarters of all the rooms from 9 am to 11 pm. If a female customer entered the building / room they would stop the feed since they were only targeting men. They said the operation listed $400,000.

Now that is sexist profiling. Sounds like something a defense attorney could bring up.

[DominicanPete]

https://www.wptv.com/news/region-n-p...hidden-cameras

Good read. The police took intel from this site as part of their effort to secure a warrant.

[Indian River]

If LEO has not called you yet, you are not on any list. LEO moves quickly to close loose ends.

If I get a call from someone not already in my call list. It goes straight to voicemail. If they don't leave a message, or I don't know them, or have planned business with them. They don't get a return call. Period. Unless you're being called to the stand as a witness, you don't have to answer anything. If they have any other questions, they can call your lawyer.

[Leon065]

If I get a call from someone not already in my call list. It goes straight to voicemail. If they don't leave a message, or I don't know them, or have planned business with them. They don't get a return call. Period. Unless you're being called to the stand as a witness, you don't have to answer anything. If they have any other questions, they can call your lawyer.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

[FreakMe]

I read an article today where the lead detective said for every guy the tracker down 5 got away. Also they had 3 detectives watching live CCTV at headquarters of all the rooms from 9 am to 11 pm. If a female customer entered the building / room they would stop the feed since they were only targeting men. They said the operation listed $400,000.

Think of all the guys that have gone in there in the past few months. I find it really hard to believe they have the time and resources (and nothing better to do) than to track down every client of the spas. Maybe I'm wrong, but what a waste of tax dollars if not. You may be able to check your name on Central Florida Warrants website and see if they are looking for you. Does OCSO even have voice match technology? It's not like they are NCIS or anything. I would relax. Chances are it's nothing, there are plenty of guys down south already fighting it, so at least you will have a template for a defense. If they are getting off (see what I did there), no big deal. If they are pleading out, there you go. No use losing sleep over something you can't control. Again, think about all the man hours wasted on this, just to get a small fine? I don't get it. I still think Bob Kraft's attorney is going to tear them a new one. Good luck with it.

[ShaggyJax]

So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.

So far, there has been no indication that BO was part of the recent central / south Florida AMP sting. With that said, I was at BO at about the same time as you. Their parking lot was full so I parked across the street and called them, since it was a weekday afternoon and it wasn't clear to whom the cars belonged to. I called them to ask if they were busy and she said "NO, you come now baby" or some such thing. But I waited for about 25 minutes until three visitors left. Then I went over. During my 45 minute visit, it sounded as if 2 or 3 other visitors arrived and I didn't get a follow up shower as a result. I have not received any calls from any police department to this point. And BO was busy.

Shaggy.

[Jocko45]

Around 10 this morning I had to drive by GG on the way to an appointment. GG appeared to be closed, no vehicles in the parking lot, front or back. It took awhile but I recalled someone saying they were closed for repairs of some kind and yet not a single trades truck in sight. That gets a hmmmmm.

Then on the flip side I had to go west on 50 bc 408 west bound was a parking lot. Passed by BO. Couldn't tell if it was open but there's a fresh monger report on RMs. But, there were 3 Geico brand painted vans backed up to the front door. Half empty parking lot but they had to park directly in front of the door. Remember Geico is in the strip center across the way. Its just me but I think Geico is sending a message and they in the past have complained about spill over parking. Down in WPB supposedly it was adjacent businesses that complained to authorities that started the whole raid thing going. Just because they are watching you doesn't mean you are paranoid. HA!

[Nightowl21]

So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.

Think of all the guys that have gone in there in the past few months. I find it really hard to believe they have the time and resources (and nothing better to do) than to track down every client of the spas. Maybe I'm wrong, but what a waste of tax dollars if not. You may be able to check your name on Central Florida Warrants website and see if they are looking for you. Does OCSO even have voice match technology? It's not like they are NCIS or anything. I would relax. Chances are it's nothing, there are plenty of guys down south already fighting it, so at least you will have a template for a defense. If they are getting off (see what I did there), no big deal. If they are pleading out, there you go. No use losing sleep over something you can't control. Again, think about all the man hours wasted on this, just to get a small fine? I don't get it. I still think Bob Kraft's attorney is going to tear them a new one. Good luck with it.

[Carlosa]

This is why I have never parked at mp's or used my real name.

So I went to BO about a month ago, days before the news about all the stings. Since then, I haven't been able to relax about it. The day I got there, the hostess came out and made sure another guy was parked in the right spot, then asked me where I was parked when I came in.

A few days later, the news broke about Jupiter and I guess a couple spas in Orlando.

Now I'm worried that cameras were in BO the one time I visited.

Earlier this week I got a call on my cell "no caller I'd". It was the local SO, they asked if I was someone by another name and asked if I had property somewhere I don't. I told them no and that it wasn't me, that I didn't know the guy they were looking for, and that was the end. A few minutes later they call back with the same question about a different property, and asked if I knew another guy. After thinking about it, I'm worried that they were just trying to get my voice on tape to match up with any surveillance they have.

Then two nights ago, after getting home around 9 pm I noticed a SO cruiser on the side of the road a few houses down from mine, and noticed the deputy at a house on the other side of my house. He was talking to the homeowners there, but when he left there, he had to walk by my house to get back to his cruiser. I'm worried he was just matching plates with what may be on surveillance.

To say I'm worried is an understatement. To think this has all blown over, I think, I'd wishful thinking. Now I find myself looking up fines and fees associated with solicitation and wondering what the heck I would do if I end up arrested. Should I be looking for a defense attorney already? Is there anything I can do anyway? Doubtful, but these are the thoughts I'm having, all from one trip to BO. It wasn't worth it, it's not worth it, and I wish I had never done it.

Please guys, think things through before you make any decisions regarding this. We all have a lot to lose, and who knows what Law enforcement has in place or has had in place for how long? I'm worried this "sting" covers more than what's been reported already, and even from that, I can't stop worrying about it.

If anyone has any feedback, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post a discussion.

Be safe, think critically.

[Ocalalover1]

Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through to try to get a voice match on one spa client. I think it unlikely that it's the police--though I guess it's barely within the realm of possibility. Voice matching is pretty iffy--especially if one is from a hidden cam and the other is through a couple of telephones. So many things can affect your voice patterns--different electronic devices; sinus trouble; some vocal cord irritation; a cold; just finishing a spicy meal; a very dry room; a very humid room. Again, maybe possible, but unlikely.

You're most likely right, and I'm not sure what the poster under you is.

I'm just wondering when I can breathe a sigh of relief, ya know? Can't help but wonder how many other stings like this took place or are taking place now, and just haven't hit the news yet.

[Jokester1]

Don't answer any questions don't answer calls deny everything. Was not you. If they have your tag number just say I have a bad back and when it flairs up I get a massage where ever I might be at the time. It is not illegal to get a massage. Go on with your life and deny any and everything admit nothing. You have a right to remain silent use it.

Seems like a lot of expense and trouble to go through to try to get a voice match on one spa client. I think it unlikely that it's the police--though I guess it's barely within the realm of possibility. Voice matching is pretty iffy--especially if one is from a hidden cam and the other is through a couple of telephones. So many things can affect your voice patterns--different electronic devices; sinus trouble; some vocal cord irritation; a cold; just finishing a spicy meal; a very dry room; a very humid room. Again, maybe possible, but unlikely.