Massage Parlor Reports

[OutForStroll]

Well if LEO used their own camera's it's quite easy actually to put them in a room. When I go to Zen, and others, I go in, pay the door fee, then the girl leaves the room to give mamasan the money. In that short of time I'm sure they could possibly get their own camera installed in a short time. Or they hacked in to the spa's camera system. As far as making a deal with the owners for use of their cams, I kind of doubt that as many owners were "reported" arrested. But hey, we'll never really know.

Actually, we may find out. When there are criminal charges, the defense does a discovery demand. The prosecutor has to give the defense all the information. A good defense lawyer would also ask for Stingray info. Fed govt will insist the case be dismissed rather than let cities disclose it was used.

[CoochieMac]

"it could be anywhere from two to five (human trafficking victims).

Investigators seized between $180,000 and $200,000.

Overall officials are in the process of seizing more than $2 million in assets.

Sheriff could have accomplished this back in November. The only reason to let the trafficking continue was for the headlines at the cost many reputations. I hear Kraft has hired Roy Black. If anyone can expose ulterior motives, he is the best. Stay tuned.

[Richbal]

"it could be anywhere from two to five (human trafficking victims).

Investigators seized between $180,000 and $200,000.

Overall officials are in the process of seizing more than $2 million in assets.

[ScottyM3]

No, not that kind (.)(.). The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.

Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.

-AG.

I agree with the fact that Kraft may not face anything or get any time or penalty with all the lawyers he has. That reminds me of a thing that happened to me when living back in Chicago. A friend of mine was President of an oil company back then which was owned by the Crown family, who I believe owned or still is a part of Waste Manegment. We got to talking about taxes and I said yeah but you guys never pay any taxes. To which he replied, "Yeah because we have 2 floors of the best attorneys around to make sure we don't. ".

[DJMiles]

What is the penalty for pleading guilty to getting a hand job at an AMP? It's hard to believe in 2019 we're even talking about this being such a serious headline news worthy event...it's like a reality TV show, complete with multiple units, cameras, turncoat AMP workers, etc. Robert Mueller doesn't have this level of intensity.

Would any judge give Kraft anything more than a fine and a slap on the wrist? I know this is Florida & God only knows what's possible but it's just that John's are usually not prosecuted or slapped on the wrist.

The damage they've done to Kraft in the press is already way beyond the level of punishment that any john doe getting a rub and tug would get.

I was reading a paper in Europe yesterday and it gets a full page story there. Apparently they are saying there are bigger public fish than him caught up. Let's see. The comments were hilarious though. People mystified how in the land of the free this is such a big deal (no one buys the trafficking line).

[Aacountyman]

What is the penalty for pleading guilty to getting a hand job at an AMP? It's hard to believe in 2019 we're even talking about this being such a serious headline news worthy event...it's like a reality TV show, complete with multiple units, cameras, turncoat AMP workers, etc. Robert Mueller doesn't have this level of intensity.

Would any judge give Kraft anything more than a fine and a slap on the wrist? I know this is Florida & God only knows what's possible but it's just that John's are usually not prosecuted or slapped on the wrist.

The damage they've done to Kraft in the press is already way beyond the level of punishment that any john doe getting a rub and tug would get.

That's all he is going to get. He has too much money and power.

[AnonJohn]

What is the penalty for pleading guilty to getting a hand job at an AMP? It's hard to believe in 2019 we're even talking about this being such a serious headline news worthy event...it's like a reality TV show, complete with multiple units, cameras, turncoat AMP workers, etc. Robert Mueller doesn't have this level of intensity.

Would any judge give Kraft anything more than a fine and a slap on the wrist? I know this is Florida & God only knows what's possible but it's just that John's are usually not prosecuted or slapped on the wrist.

The damage they've done to Kraft in the press is already way beyond the level of punishment that any john doe getting a rub and tug would get.

[CoochieMac]

Just my thoughts, it causes a severe damper on the whole business throughout the state and elsewhere. It is definitely politically motivated. Most people will now think twice before entering any of these establishments not to mention the number that will close down as a result of this publicity. If the State of Florida wanted to dictate morality they have certainly succeeded. These girls will return to the streets and the pages of Skip the Games and elsewhere. I for one would think twice before entering any of these places as a result of these headlines. Be safe and cautious out there!

Conservatives have lamented the attack on freedom for decades, now look at what we have- the embodiment of KGB practices. I can think of at least 5 more serious threats to public safety than 2 consenting adults harming no one.

[DJMiles]

No, not that kind (.)(.). The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.

Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.

-AG.

It doesn't matter to the system if Kraft gets off. Nabbing Kraft is the icing on the cake. He is what has given this bust legs. It's mentioned in every newspaper I've seen and given the bust a 1000 x magnification. The real purpose is to scare Johns, which will close these places down. Given how easily they were able to put video cameras in the therapy rooms, it's hard to imagine anyone going there again. And with such a high profile win, more and more stings like this will be authorized. The danger is after they bore with that, where do they start looking next?

[Midfla]

Yes, I do believe that the Asian massage parlors are going to have rough times ahead and most will end up shutting down as people stop going. I know I for one will stay clear for the forseeable future. It just isn't worth the risks. Too much paranoia now.

[Dragons]

It will likely settle out of court with a "no admission of guilt " where the extortionist (prosecutor) gets paid and the violator pays the tax to the king aka municipality for several reasons.

One being that football is a huge social engineering effort by global investors through government to gain profit from the mass of illiterates out there. A huge media circus over this could hurt the industry and the profits therefrom.

Football is an "American" family sport and pimps and hoes are not so widely accepted by the family unit.

Another is that the lawyers ALWAYS attempt settlement if they are any good at all to avoid any further infamy for their client. More infamy gets in the way of the blackmail on the DL.

To examine that bust profile is to see a unicorn on the billions of acres of sheep.

It will not be thrown out for lack of merit, be sure of that. ELO would not make that bust unless they had a good case.

It will never be heard of in public again because that is the exact job good legal counsel MUST and will do.

The record will be expunged and no further public comments will be made for the possibility of being sued for slander and libel as the NFL, the pats, the advertisers, the cities where the games are played, all the vendors to the industry have a LOT to lose on this one.

No, not that kind OO. The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.

Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to violation of citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.

-AG.

[Willie24]

No, not <i>that<i/> kind. The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.

Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to violation of citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.

-AG.

Just my thoughts, it causes a severe damper on the whole business throughout the state and elsewhere. It is definitely politically motivated. Most people will now think twice before entering any of these establishments not to mention the number that will close down as a result of this publicity. If the State of Florida wanted to dictate morality they have certainly succeeded. These girls will return to the streets and the pages of Skip the Games and elsewhere. I for one would think twice before entering any of these places as a result of these headlines. Be safe and cautious out there!

[Area Gentleman]

No, not that kind (.)(.). The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.

Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.

-AG.

[DJMiles]

Had a legit shoulder problem Monday from moving and building furniture for a friend. For years I have seen Cindy's ads and tried to hook up but never worked it out. This week, the communication was better and I set up an hour.

Her studio is really cool. Retro, nice vibe with a 1990's bose radio providing tunes. Cindy, as others have said, looks nothing like her photos. She's a little heavier and a bit older. She asked if I wanted a shower. I just had one so I declined, which may have been a mistake.

Good massage, she focused on legs. I didn't mention my shoulder. It's been my experince that if you mention pain, a good LMT will stay away for liability reasons. Maybe because of the lack of shower, it was only 45 minutes start to finish. I felt better but not like a LMT worked out things.

No extras were offered nor did it feel any time like they were forthcoming. The $ fee was paid up front and I didn't tip. It was a short massage, although a good one, and was a bit overpriced in my opinion. Here's my take:

Cindy is super nice and I would think about going back for legit massage. That said, she's about 0. 3 overpriced for a legit one hour massage that has the extra sketch factor of old school massage parlor. Cocoa Beach Health and fitness offers a much better sports massage for similar money and a legit location.

Maybe I had a bad vibe. As I said, Cindy is a great person, but I think it's a tough business model to straddle the line between legit and posting on the usual sites.

Perhaps this is more easily explained now? Possibly she'd been given a head-up by a "leaking" client.

[Cutter56]

Mind describing her? How old was she? Want to see if it's worth the drive.

Sorry EastDragon, I didn't see this post. She is small, small breast, pretty face. Tight in all the right places.