"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DogBert77]

I have no experience of HotlesByDay but have been using Dayuse.com a lot. Dayuse let's you reserve without a credit card or deposit and cancel right up to the last minute without penalty. Hotels are all very nice. In my area a lot of them are Hiltons and affiliated brands.

Like to hear from bothers who have used both and can compare them.

[FarFarAway]

I use this service a lot for a FC venue in my area, as I have a SO. I always have the SB get the room, it is truly a treat. It is less than 100 and super nice, no Motel 6, so they feel good about it. Available 9 or 10 am to 3 or 4 pm. Last time w / the 22 YO PYT SB I am seeing, I was early and sitting in the parking structure, waiting for her to check in and text me the room #. I see a compact economy car enter and park directly in front of me. A young girl gets out. I am looking to see if its my SB, b / c if so I can get her license plate (and for $40, her real name) - but it's not her. However, she not only has all the indicators of a SB (yoga pants), she's loading stuff into some tote bags, etc. , and running into the hotel. Got to get ready before daddy gets there. LOL. I figure a few other SDs are also aware of hotelsbyday and are using it like I am. This is in Orange County, CA, in case anyone would like to compare notes.

[FarFarAway]

If you own a strip club, then you know what these girls are all about. There's no such thing as turning good girls into bad girls. The girls lie about being new. They lie about everything! They're going to tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much money out of you as possible. Just like we sit here and chat and talk about all of the maniacal ways that we can get what we want, they are doing the same. The problem that some of you guys are having is that you're treating it like an actual "dating" site. The girls on SA are on there to make money. If there hanging out with you before having sex with you, it's only because they want to feel you out and find your weak points. They're doing what every female on Earth over the age of "3" does, they're trying to figure out how to manipulate you. They're not chatting with us or hanging out with us because they're enjoying our company.

As some have said recently in this thread, a little cynical viewpoint. As some veterans like F Scott and bikerider like to say, you get the sugarbowl you are looking for. I am not looking for what you're talking about above, and thankfully, I repel women who want that.

[Rustyshk]

I know many of guys here on SA just try to get young girls which is fine, and try to score them as many as possible which I understand it too.

But my intention maybe different. Just in a few days, I found a lot of girls will do PPM for 100,200, 250,300, the highest I see is 500. I'm not into those girls. I want to find those newly join, not much experience on SA but think they can just provide companionship for money, and I want to turn those "good" girls to "bad" girls.

Save the bad girls, and turn the good girl to bad. That is what really turn me on. For that purpose, I'm willing to be patient and take my time.

If you own a strip club, then you know what these girls are all about. There's no such thing as turning good girls into bad girls. The girls lie about being new. They lie about everything! They're going to tell you whatever you want to hear to get as much money out of you as possible. Just like we sit here and chat and talk about all of the maniacal ways that we can get what we want, they are doing the same. The problem that some of you guys are having is that you're treating it like an actual "dating" site. The girls on SA are on there to make money. If there hanging out with you before having sex with you, it's only because they want to feel you out and find your weak points. They're doing what every female on Earth over the age of "3" does, they're trying to figure out how to manipulate you. They're not chatting with us or hanging out with us because they're enjoying our company.

[DogBert77]

I should have been more specific, but have found this approach works well with the princess want to be's. Some of them just want to be treated like nasty sluts and will tell you as much. Its more about finding what resonates with them. If they are banging Daddy to get even with their real a-hole absentee dad, its a different dynamic from the ones who were never treated like a gorgeous little princess.

The quote Ernest copied was re-quoted from my post. I may be over-generalizing as well. It seems ALL the girls I have met from SA have Daddy issues and are naturally submissive to one degree or another. I expect this is true of a high proportion of all SA girls, but not of all of them. It is just that what I am projecting only attracts those girls. That's fine with me. I am happy to stick with what works, and submissive comes in handy when you want what you want.

I am sure there are lots of other girls on there with different preferences, I just don't meet them. Like I said, my response rate is small. To make up for this, I send out a lot messages. My conversion rate once I meet them is also basically 100% (excluding the ones who got to the meet & greet by fraud), so it works.

In particular, I am not meeting the princess types. This is partly self selection, as I am actively avoiding any whiff of GPS, while not talking prices. And I am sure it is selection on their part as well, as I am not giving off a vibe that I am going to spend more than any other daddy.

SA is a big pond, with all kinds of fish in it, and I am sure lots of different approaches will work with different girls. I know a lot of guys on here like to specify prices and services before even meeting, and figure that saves them time. I'm going for a different experience, but everyone should go with what works for them.

[Rustyshk]

I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.
So here are my question part and need you guys help.

First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.

But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Trust me, all of the girls on SA that are willing to have sex are PPM. SA changes dramatically every 6 months as it's popularity grows. EVIL TMP is 100% right! The decent-looking girls are getting 100 messages a day. They're trying to sift through and find out who's real. And who's going to give them the MOST money with the LEAST amount of headache. In the last 6 months, I have not chatted with one girl on SA that didn't ask me about allowance up front. Most of them are poor college students and they don't have the time, desire, or gas money to meet up with a bunch of men for free. And you shouldn't be wasting your hard-earned money and time unless you know you're going to leave the meet-and-greet with at least a BJ.

[Ernest Ll]

Unlike Ernest Li's post, I never act grateful to be getting into their holes (although I most certainly am grateful inside). Enthusiastic to be hitting it to for sure, but never that I am grateful that they are willing to give their hot young body to my ancient self. I project two attitudes to them sexually: (I) entitlement. I absolutely expect them to please me in any way they can, and I am confident they will do that. So they do, because they don't want to disappoint daddy. And (ii) "matter of fact-ness," for want of a better word. That is, the idea that sex is just normal and what adults do in private. Not a big deal and nothing to giggle about. Often we will bring food and wine to the hotel room and hang out, so the sex is only part of the FC visit. And I act as though the money is just incidental and not the reason they are hanging (and banging) with me. We all know they would never have returned the first I'm if not for the prospect of money, but I act like I don't know that, and that makes it easier for them to convince themselves also.

I should have been more specific, but have found this approach works well with the princess want to be's. Some of them just want to be treated like nasty sluts and will tell you as much. Its more about finding what resonates with them. If they are banging Daddy to get even with their real a-hole absentee dad, its a different dynamic from the ones who were never treated like a gorgeous little princess.

[Ernest Ll]

So here are my question part and need you guys help.

First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.

But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL. !

Really one in the same question. Laying out the scenario you had in mind is a strong first step -- there is also usually some implied time commitment for the after dinner / drink activity.

In keeping with the "don't treat them like a *****" philosophy -- never be direct. Be creative and speak in metaphors, but link them back to what you've talked about (demonstrate you are listening / reading). If they are students, ask "what tuition assistance package would be expected for our evening of fun and games" -- if they are struggling 20 somethings, ask about their "debt repayment package" or the like. If they are SBs to live the high life "how big a shopping budget would be appropriate". They know exactly what you mean and will laugh at your turn of the phrase.

Similarly, you probably want to avoid the one shot dates. So you will want to establish that as well without making the feel they are quoting you by the hour "What time do you turn into a pumpkin? "Do you need any study time before tomorrow's classes". "we could meet for drinks and dinner, then adjourn for dessert and a midnight snack. Maybe even breakfast in bed".

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

Whatever you feel the evening was worth. If they aren't happy, they will let you know. If you don't totally low ball them, but they were expecting more just say "well we did not discuss it, and I did not have time to go to the ATM -- did not want you to feel bought and paid for" but Ill make it up to you on our next meeting, assuming her expectation is reasonable for your experience.

[JZLizard]

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing. Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again. I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes! So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!

I'll try to address the points where I think you want feedback:

1. There is a way to do all of this without EVER negotiating anything, and that is my modus operandi. Most of the girls I end up with want a man who is decisive and in charge of everything, and by definition if one is negotiating with an 18-22 year old, about anything, is not an indicator of a man in charge. This is not to say it doesn't work for some, it just doesn't produce the best possible results.

2. This ties into #1 -- the best way to ask how much they want is to never ask them how much they want. It's simply putting them in control of the situation to do that. To elaborate on #1, it can all be done without ever discussing dollar amounts. Over the years I've written a lot about my own techniques, just do a search on my username if interested in my particular methods. I'm of the belief that there is no common formula that works for everyone, but by understanding how others operate we can refine our own game plan.

3. How much to ultimately gift depends on other factors such as how much time she has spent with you (including number of fucks and quality of each, etc) how much you've spent on other dating expenses (dinner, etc), but be fair when you do the math. For example if I spend $150 on dinner, maybe $75 of that tab is spending on myself. Then, was it her idea or mine to go to a place with pricey options? If mine, I'm not going to deduct a full 50% from the gift I give her. On the other hand, if she orders lots of expensive extra sides and fancy desserts, takes a couple of bites of each and discards, then yeah all that is coming out of her gift. Same thing if she is staying with me a couple of days and wants to go clubbing at night, shopping during the day.

The fact that you're reporting lots of girls are saying yes, then I have to assume you're either relatively attractive, or are mostly fishing in UTR waters. Either one of those alone will produce a lot of positive responses, but depending on which of them is the case, your game should really be optimized accordingly. If they are very attracted to you, a lot of them will be on board for anything and you can get away with little to no payment if that's the goal. Then again if you're throwing amounts out there, you'll mostly attract UTR girls who are looking for the money and nothing else, and as long as you're paying as much or higher than others are offering her, then you'll get plenty.

There are a couple of numbers to remember in all this, too -- how the girl ranks according to your taste on a 1-10 scale, and how she likely ranks to the taste of most SDs. For example, if you prefer AA girls that are 5'10" and athletic, then what looks like an 8 to you might be a 4 to the average SD. You'll find great success in a case like that, simply because of less competition.

All forms of dating, even pure civy dating are based on supply and demand, so you need to be very aware of what exactly it is you are able to supply (both non-monetarily and monetarily) and what it is you're demanding (in terms of the girls) in order to fine tune your game and get the best results.

[FreeSpiritFet]

I know many of guys here on SA just try to get young girls which is fine, and try to score them as many as possible which I understand it too.

But my intention maybe different.

1. I'm on there and see so many young beautiful girls, a lot of working hard but can't even make the ends meet. And think of my ungrateful spoil bratty separated wife, yep! I get a Real SB. But meet a girl and help her a little, I feel I'm actually being appreciated!

2. I own a strip club as side business, and I'm used to see those young beautiful girls come and go. Trust me, most of them are willing to fuck for the right number, and the rest can still fuck if you catch them on a rainy day for way less. And I feel most of those girls on SA will fuck you at the right price, it all depends on if you are willing to pay for and not regret at the moment after you cum! LOL Just in a few days, I found a lot of girls will do PPM for 100,200, 250,300, the highest I see is 500. I'm not into those girls. I want to find those newly join, not much experience on SA but think they can just provide companionship for money, and I want to turn those "good" girls to "bad" girls.

Save the bad girls, and turn the good girl to bad. That is what really turn me on. For that purpose, I'm willing to be patient and take my time.

[FreeSpiritFet]

I find it hard to believe anyone can get that many replies in three days.

Actually it is 180+, not 80+. The first day when I got in, I was so excited, I sent out too many messages at the point I get notice that "You can't send more message due to SPAM", and I even put a post up and ask how to get that take care of. I mean hear work, that is really hard work. I search 25 miles range 18-30, white+latin, and message those who I feel attracted to. And who is active in last 7 days. I don't even remember how many messages I sent out, I can assume you, it is a lot.

I took my time to write my profile and make it sound as honest, genuine as possible. And I put my pic on there too.

And I get a lot of reply saying they like my post and I copy some of them here:

Hey you, my name is Amanda ☺65039; Oh wow I loved reading your profile and your message was so sweet. When are you free?? Maybe we can get food or talk and play video games sometime soon. ☺65039;.

Hi, How are you? Your profile definitely draws me in. As far as your knowledge of what a girl needs in life. And I understand the mutual needs as well. I'd love to talk and discuss a little bit if we feel like we connect and would maybe like to meet. Let me know. I look forward to hearing from you.

Hey! I'm new to this (I just joined) what first caught my eye was your your profile, because that's what I am 😉 But second was your looks! You are a VERY attractive man 😍 I like your sense of Humor and the fact that you're looking for someone who can match your chemistry and am also looking for someone who can hold an intelligent conversation.

Hi there, thanks for reaching out. You honestly sound much more genuine than anyone I've met so far on here!

I feel like you won't even believe me when I say this but I've never seen anyone on here that has such a way with words. Your honesty and pure intentions are so apparent.

Hey! I'd love to get to know you too, tell me about yourself.

Hey there luv. How are you? Yes I'm very very interested.

My point is, the profile does matter, those girls did actually take their time to read before they reply you. Especially those new girls, they are nervous and maybe scared. The way we say it at least give them some kind of comfort. I try to keep my profile funny and honest and straightforward, and tell everyone I'm looking for physically chemistry which mean at some point I do want to fuck them.

I really like one guy here said something like: I'm at the point of my life just don't give a crap because the thing I have done, and the crap bs I have get to this point. Stuff like that.

I just keep it real and be who I'm, and Happy.

[JustLonely]

I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.

After 3 days hard working, I mean really hard working! Message a lot in my 25 miles range with those I feel attract to. And build up my spreed sheet.

So far, I get about 80+ some reply and after short conversation with those, put 47 on my sheet with 27 phone number.

Here are the feelings about those girls.

1. Those girls who joined longer than 3 months, they normally understand how this works, they are totally fine with PPM.

2. some girls are even ok with as low as 100 PPM, I mean just 100! They all started with 200, after some talk they are even ok with 100. And they are decent looking too.

3. some girls start ask with 300 or 350, they can go down to 200. Just depends how to talk to them.

4. there are some 19,20 years old who just join less than a month, they are very easy to talk to, and told me their bad experience on SA. Thats great. They have seen the reality.

5. some girls I think they may pro, look really pretty to me, they ask 200 PPM and they host.

6. the old ones, 30+, actually they are tough to negotiate, if they want to 300, then it is 300.

7. There are some ask for 400-500 range, I normally stay away.

8. All the girls I talked to so far, 80 plus. A lot will ask for allowance at first. But they are ALL, I mean ALL, agree to PPM! So I really don't think it is a issue to turn allowance girl to PPM.

And I also talked to some interesting ones, for example one girl she is 20, beautiful girl, hard working girl with crazy schedule. No experience on SA.

After long conversation, I really like this one and want to ask her out. She is totally cool with it. And I even tell her if we go on date I expect intimacy, she is cool with that also. But when I ask what she want for return.

Her answer is: If we were to go on a date this up comming week, my expectations would be just getting to know one another to see if we click. Nothing stressful. Maybe talk over drinks and whatnot.

I feel like, she tried to comfort me and ask me don't worry about it. Just hangout and see we have chemistry or not.

And, there is another 20 years old beautiful with little experience and tell me something similar. Just hangout and chill, see if we like each other.

So here are my question part and need you guys help.

First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.

But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

In my messages.

I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing.

Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again.

I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes!

So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!

I find it hard to believe anyone can get that many replies in three days.

[FreeSpiritFet]

I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.

After 3 days hard working, I mean really hard working! Message a lot in my 25 miles range with those I feel attract to. And build up my spreed sheet.

So far, I get about 80+ some reply and after short conversation with those, put 47 on my sheet with 27 phone number.

Here are the feelings about those girls.

1. Those girls who joined longer than 3 months, they normally understand how this works, they are totally fine with PPM.

2. some girls are even ok with as low as 100 PPM, I mean just 100! They all started with 200, after some talk they are even ok with 100. And they are decent looking too.

3. some girls start ask with 300 or 350, they can go down to 200. Just depends how to talk to them.

4. there are some 19,20 years old who just join less than a month, they are very easy to talk to, and told me their bad experience on SA. Thats great. They have seen the reality.

5. some girls I think they may pro, look really pretty to me, they ask 200 PPM and they host.

6. the old ones, 30+, actually they are tough to negotiate, if they want to 300, then it is 300.

7. There are some ask for 400-500 range, I normally stay away.

8. All the girls I talked to so far, 80 plus. A lot will ask for allowance at first. But they are ALL, I mean ALL, agree to PPM! So I really don't think it is a issue to turn allowance girl to PPM.

And I also talked to some interesting ones, for example one girl she is 20, beautiful girl, hard working girl with crazy schedule. No experience on SA.

After long conversation, I really like this one and want to ask her out. She is totally cool with it. And I even tell her if we go on date I expect intimacy, she is cool with that also. But when I ask what she want for return.

Her answer is: If we were to go on a date this up comming week, my expectations would be just getting to know one another to see if we click. Nothing stressful. Maybe talk over drinks and whatnot.

I feel like, she tried to comfort me and ask me don't worry about it. Just hangout and see we have chemistry or not.

And, there is another 20 years old beautiful with little experience and tell me something similar. Just hangout and chill, see if we like each other.

So here are my question part and need you guys help.

First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.

But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

In my messages.

I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing.

Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again.

I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes!

So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!

[DogBert77]

Just wondering, with such an age difference between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?

Again, I have only been on SA a few months, and I don't want to pretend to more experience than I have. That said, it is totally working for me so I will respond. My MO is to try to get to a meet ASAP. This is because I recognize that my game is stronger in person than online. So I propose a low key meet, coffee, or, if they are old enough to get served, drinks. I never hint that I expect anything from first meet, but I also never tell them "no expectations. " If they ask, I just say let's meet, see if there is chemistry and see where it goes. But I always have a room lined up so if it goes well we can go straight to the FC, and usually we do.

As far as how I connect, I would say my approach is different from a lot of guys on here. First, I treat them like a date, not a hooker. Show interest in them and their lives. Ask about school, room mates, whatever. I tell them about my life, not any identifying information, but my travels and life experiences. I make no effort to seem "young" or "hip. " I feel free to give them advice and pass judgment on them and their life choices. In other words, sort of an authority figure, but one who wants to bang them. I make no secret of the fact that I am married and have kids. I brag about my kids and make it clear that I take good care of them and they get lots of opportunities. Pretty much every girl I have met on SA has Daddy issues and they wish that they had a Daddy like me in real life. So the next best thing is to let me be their sugar daddy.

The girls I like are not slackers. They are uniformly ambitious, usually smart and good students and work hard. They want more out of life. I paint a picture of how they can have that with me. I make it clear that I am interested in them sexually (assuming I am. I am interested in almost all the girls I get to a meet and greet with, so I don't have to pretend), but I don't dote over them or do any PDA or make any moves in public. I am very self confident and just assume that they want to go to the FC with me. And they do. I disagree that the young ones are not interested in conversation. I find them desperate to talk to someone who sounds different than the 20 year old guys they are used to.

I pay a lot of attention to their needs in bed. I always DATY if they let me, and if they don't let me I don't repeat. I try to figure out which positions are doing it for them and spend some time in that position even if it's not my favorite. My goal is to fuck them as thoroughly as possible, so I pretty much want to put them through all the paces and into every position I can think of anyway. If their favorite is not my favorite I am likely to last longer. And really, as long as my dick is inside them, are there any bad positions? One of my girls had her first multiple orgasm experience with me, and another one her first vaginal orgasm. Not bad from a still small sample size. Just like in civvy dating, this makes them want more of my dick (and tongue) of course.

Two girls did not have orgasms, did not want to try and told me that they never orgasm with men (a couple others also did not have orgasms but I didn't get into their heads much and they were one time deals so nothing more to report on them). Both of them said something very similar: that they got pleasure from giving pleasure, that this made them feel good and gave them a sense of worth. In some way that I don't really understand, I believe that this attitude also stems from daddy issues. Whatever the cause, when I meet a girl like that I ma happy to let her take a lot of pleasure from giving me a lot of pleasure. These girls are not as satisfying to me as the ones who are squealing with their own orgasms, but there is also something sort of liberating about not having to worry about their pleasure, and being able to just do what you please for as long as you please. I repeated a few times with one of these and enjoyed it thoroughly. She was willing to suck my dick for as long as I could take it, which turns out to be pretty long.

Unlike Ernest Li's post, I never act grateful to be getting into their holes (although I most certainly am grateful inside). Enthusiastic to be hitting it to for sure, but never that I am grateful that they are willing to give their hot young body to my ancient self. I project two attitudes to them sexually: (I) entitlement. I absolutely expect them to please me in any way they can, and I am confident they will do that. So they do, because they don't want to disappoint daddy. And (ii) "matter of fact-ness," for want of a better word. That is, the idea that sex is just normal and what adults do in private. Not a big deal and nothing to giggle about. Often we will bring food and wine to the hotel room and hang out, so the sex is only part of the FC visit. And I act as though the money is just incidental and not the reason they are hanging (and banging) with me. We all know they would never have returned the first I'm if not for the prospect of money, but I act like I don't know that, and that makes it easier for them to convince themselves also.

Evil TMP is quite right about this: "Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA. " All the girls I hit up are attractive and getting hit on a lot. So my success rate in getting messages returned is very small. Fortunately, I live in a place with tons of potential SB's on SA. And every single one of them is on there because they want a SD. It might as well be me.

[BuffBill75]

Hey all. Great thread. I'm coming down to Richmond for a business trip and was thinking of trying to hang with this one. Anyone have info on her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/6d1d6...7-088538ac9801