"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing. Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again. I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes! So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!

I'll try to address the points where I think you want feedback:

1. There is a way to do all of this without EVER negotiating anything, and that is my modus operandi. Most of the girls I end up with want a man who is decisive and in charge of everything, and by definition if one is negotiating with an 18-22 year old, about anything, is not an indicator of a man in charge. This is not to say it doesn't work for some, it just doesn't produce the best possible results.

2. This ties into #1 -- the best way to ask how much they want is to never ask them how much they want. It's simply putting them in control of the situation to do that. To elaborate on #1, it can all be done without ever discussing dollar amounts. Over the years I've written a lot about my own techniques, just do a search on my username if interested in my particular methods. I'm of the belief that there is no common formula that works for everyone, but by understanding how others operate we can refine our own game plan.

3. How much to ultimately gift depends on other factors such as how much time she has spent with you (including number of fucks and quality of each, etc) how much you've spent on other dating expenses (dinner, etc), but be fair when you do the math. For example if I spend $150 on dinner, maybe $75 of that tab is spending on myself. Then, was it her idea or mine to go to a place with pricey options? If mine, I'm not going to deduct a full 50% from the gift I give her. On the other hand, if she orders lots of expensive extra sides and fancy desserts, takes a couple of bites of each and discards, then yeah all that is coming out of her gift. Same thing if she is staying with me a couple of days and wants to go clubbing at night, shopping during the day.

The fact that you're reporting lots of girls are saying yes, then I have to assume you're either relatively attractive, or are mostly fishing in UTR waters. Either one of those alone will produce a lot of positive responses, but depending on which of them is the case, your game should really be optimized accordingly. If they are very attracted to you, a lot of them will be on board for anything and you can get away with little to no payment if that's the goal. Then again if you're throwing amounts out there, you'll mostly attract UTR girls who are looking for the money and nothing else, and as long as you're paying as much or higher than others are offering her, then you'll get plenty.

There are a couple of numbers to remember in all this, too -- how the girl ranks according to your taste on a 1-10 scale, and how she likely ranks to the taste of most SDs. For example, if you prefer AA girls that are 5'10" and athletic, then what looks like an 8 to you might be a 4 to the average SD. You'll find great success in a case like that, simply because of less competition.

All forms of dating, even pure civy dating are based on supply and demand, so you need to be very aware of what exactly it is you are able to supply (both non-monetarily and monetarily) and what it is you're demanding (in terms of the girls) in order to fine tune your game and get the best results.

[FreeSpiritFet]

I know many of guys here on SA just try to get young girls which is fine, and try to score them as many as possible which I understand it too.

But my intention maybe different.

1. I'm on there and see so many young beautiful girls, a lot of working hard but can't even make the ends meet. And think of my ungrateful spoil bratty separated wife, yep! I get a Real SB. But meet a girl and help her a little, I feel I'm actually being appreciated!

2. I own a strip club as side business, and I'm used to see those young beautiful girls come and go. Trust me, most of them are willing to fuck for the right number, and the rest can still fuck if you catch them on a rainy day for way less. And I feel most of those girls on SA will fuck you at the right price, it all depends on if you are willing to pay for and not regret at the moment after you cum! LOL Just in a few days, I found a lot of girls will do PPM for 100,200, 250,300, the highest I see is 500. I'm not into those girls. I want to find those newly join, not much experience on SA but think they can just provide companionship for money, and I want to turn those "good" girls to "bad" girls.

Save the bad girls, and turn the good girl to bad. That is what really turn me on. For that purpose, I'm willing to be patient and take my time.

[FreeSpiritFet]

I find it hard to believe anyone can get that many replies in three days.

Actually it is 180+, not 80+. The first day when I got in, I was so excited, I sent out too many messages at the point I get notice that "You can't send more message due to SPAM", and I even put a post up and ask how to get that take care of. I mean hear work, that is really hard work. I search 25 miles range 18-30, white+latin, and message those who I feel attracted to. And who is active in last 7 days. I don't even remember how many messages I sent out, I can assume you, it is a lot.

I took my time to write my profile and make it sound as honest, genuine as possible. And I put my pic on there too.

And I get a lot of reply saying they like my post and I copy some of them here:

Hey you, my name is Amanda ☺65039; Oh wow I loved reading your profile and your message was so sweet. When are you free?? Maybe we can get food or talk and play video games sometime soon. ☺65039;.

Hi, How are you? Your profile definitely draws me in. As far as your knowledge of what a girl needs in life. And I understand the mutual needs as well. I'd love to talk and discuss a little bit if we feel like we connect and would maybe like to meet. Let me know. I look forward to hearing from you.

Hey! I'm new to this (I just joined) what first caught my eye was your your profile, because that's what I am 😉 But second was your looks! You are a VERY attractive man 😍 I like your sense of Humor and the fact that you're looking for someone who can match your chemistry and am also looking for someone who can hold an intelligent conversation.

Hi there, thanks for reaching out. You honestly sound much more genuine than anyone I've met so far on here!

I feel like you won't even believe me when I say this but I've never seen anyone on here that has such a way with words. Your honesty and pure intentions are so apparent.

Hey! I'd love to get to know you too, tell me about yourself.

Hey there luv. How are you? Yes I'm very very interested.

My point is, the profile does matter, those girls did actually take their time to read before they reply you. Especially those new girls, they are nervous and maybe scared. The way we say it at least give them some kind of comfort. I try to keep my profile funny and honest and straightforward, and tell everyone I'm looking for physically chemistry which mean at some point I do want to fuck them.

I really like one guy here said something like: I'm at the point of my life just don't give a crap because the thing I have done, and the crap bs I have get to this point. Stuff like that.

I just keep it real and be who I'm, and Happy.

[JustLonely]

I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.

After 3 days hard working, I mean really hard working! Message a lot in my 25 miles range with those I feel attract to. And build up my spreed sheet.

So far, I get about 80+ some reply and after short conversation with those, put 47 on my sheet with 27 phone number.

Here are the feelings about those girls.

1. Those girls who joined longer than 3 months, they normally understand how this works, they are totally fine with PPM.

2. some girls are even ok with as low as 100 PPM, I mean just 100! They all started with 200, after some talk they are even ok with 100. And they are decent looking too.

3. some girls start ask with 300 or 350, they can go down to 200. Just depends how to talk to them.

4. there are some 19,20 years old who just join less than a month, they are very easy to talk to, and told me their bad experience on SA. Thats great. They have seen the reality.

5. some girls I think they may pro, look really pretty to me, they ask 200 PPM and they host.

6. the old ones, 30+, actually they are tough to negotiate, if they want to 300, then it is 300.

7. There are some ask for 400-500 range, I normally stay away.

8. All the girls I talked to so far, 80 plus. A lot will ask for allowance at first. But they are ALL, I mean ALL, agree to PPM! So I really don't think it is a issue to turn allowance girl to PPM.

And I also talked to some interesting ones, for example one girl she is 20, beautiful girl, hard working girl with crazy schedule. No experience on SA.

After long conversation, I really like this one and want to ask her out. She is totally cool with it. And I even tell her if we go on date I expect intimacy, she is cool with that also. But when I ask what she want for return.

Her answer is: If we were to go on a date this up comming week, my expectations would be just getting to know one another to see if we click. Nothing stressful. Maybe talk over drinks and whatnot.

I feel like, she tried to comfort me and ask me don't worry about it. Just hangout and see we have chemistry or not.

And, there is another 20 years old beautiful with little experience and tell me something similar. Just hangout and chill, see if we like each other.

So here are my question part and need you guys help.

First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.

But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

In my messages.

I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing.

Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again.

I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes!

So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!

I find it hard to believe anyone can get that many replies in three days.

[FreeSpiritFet]

I was so excited to join the SA and finally pull the trigger to start.

After 3 days hard working, I mean really hard working! Message a lot in my 25 miles range with those I feel attract to. And build up my spreed sheet.

So far, I get about 80+ some reply and after short conversation with those, put 47 on my sheet with 27 phone number.

Here are the feelings about those girls.

1. Those girls who joined longer than 3 months, they normally understand how this works, they are totally fine with PPM.

2. some girls are even ok with as low as 100 PPM, I mean just 100! They all started with 200, after some talk they are even ok with 100. And they are decent looking too.

3. some girls start ask with 300 or 350, they can go down to 200. Just depends how to talk to them.

4. there are some 19,20 years old who just join less than a month, they are very easy to talk to, and told me their bad experience on SA. Thats great. They have seen the reality.

5. some girls I think they may pro, look really pretty to me, they ask 200 PPM and they host.

6. the old ones, 30+, actually they are tough to negotiate, if they want to 300, then it is 300.

7. There are some ask for 400-500 range, I normally stay away.

8. All the girls I talked to so far, 80 plus. A lot will ask for allowance at first. But they are ALL, I mean ALL, agree to PPM! So I really don't think it is a issue to turn allowance girl to PPM.

And I also talked to some interesting ones, for example one girl she is 20, beautiful girl, hard working girl with crazy schedule. No experience on SA.

After long conversation, I really like this one and want to ask her out. She is totally cool with it. And I even tell her if we go on date I expect intimacy, she is cool with that also. But when I ask what she want for return.

Her answer is: If we were to go on a date this up comming week, my expectations would be just getting to know one another to see if we click. Nothing stressful. Maybe talk over drinks and whatnot.

I feel like, she tried to comfort me and ask me don't worry about it. Just hangout and see we have chemistry or not.

And, there is another 20 years old beautiful with little experience and tell me something similar. Just hangout and chill, see if we like each other.

So here are my question part and need you guys help.

First. I read lot of stuff here and many people say never never negotiate before the meeting.

But what if I did meet these 2 girls, and we do like each other, and they ask too much, then what? Isn't that waste of the time to them? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine just hangout with those young girls.

Isn't that awkward to negotiate money face to face? LOL I never done this before, I do need help.

Second. What is the most polite way to ask how much they want for PPM LOL.

Third. Some girls are willing to hangout and go back to their place after. Because I told them that is my plan and they are ok with it. I mean normal looking girl, Not Pro either. If we fuck without even mention the price, then what? How much I need to give those kind of girls.

In my messages.

I first told them I'm looking for chemistry both emotionally and physically. That is the hint to say I want to fuck you, right? Most would say, Yes, they want to the same thing.

Then, I also want to double check, because too many say yes on my first question, so I ask again.

I told them straightforward, My ideal date would be yummy food, lots laugh and intimacy at the end of night. And ask them if they are comfortable with that plan? I'm really shocked how many girls tell me Yes!

So I feel, If there is a room ready to go, those young girls are not hard to get at all!

[DogBert77]

Just wondering, with such an age difference between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?

Again, I have only been on SA a few months, and I don't want to pretend to more experience than I have. That said, it is totally working for me so I will respond. My MO is to try to get to a meet ASAP. This is because I recognize that my game is stronger in person than online. So I propose a low key meet, coffee, or, if they are old enough to get served, drinks. I never hint that I expect anything from first meet, but I also never tell them "no expectations. " If they ask, I just say let's meet, see if there is chemistry and see where it goes. But I always have a room lined up so if it goes well we can go straight to the FC, and usually we do.

As far as how I connect, I would say my approach is different from a lot of guys on here. First, I treat them like a date, not a hooker. Show interest in them and their lives. Ask about school, room mates, whatever. I tell them about my life, not any identifying information, but my travels and life experiences. I make no effort to seem "young" or "hip. " I feel free to give them advice and pass judgment on them and their life choices. In other words, sort of an authority figure, but one who wants to bang them. I make no secret of the fact that I am married and have kids. I brag about my kids and make it clear that I take good care of them and they get lots of opportunities. Pretty much every girl I have met on SA has Daddy issues and they wish that they had a Daddy like me in real life. So the next best thing is to let me be their sugar daddy.

The girls I like are not slackers. They are uniformly ambitious, usually smart and good students and work hard. They want more out of life. I paint a picture of how they can have that with me. I make it clear that I am interested in them sexually (assuming I am. I am interested in almost all the girls I get to a meet and greet with, so I don't have to pretend), but I don't dote over them or do any PDA or make any moves in public. I am very self confident and just assume that they want to go to the FC with me. And they do. I disagree that the young ones are not interested in conversation. I find them desperate to talk to someone who sounds different than the 20 year old guys they are used to.

I pay a lot of attention to their needs in bed. I always DATY if they let me, and if they don't let me I don't repeat. I try to figure out which positions are doing it for them and spend some time in that position even if it's not my favorite. My goal is to fuck them as thoroughly as possible, so I pretty much want to put them through all the paces and into every position I can think of anyway. If their favorite is not my favorite I am likely to last longer. And really, as long as my dick is inside them, are there any bad positions? One of my girls had her first multiple orgasm experience with me, and another one her first vaginal orgasm. Not bad from a still small sample size. Just like in civvy dating, this makes them want more of my dick (and tongue) of course.

Two girls did not have orgasms, did not want to try and told me that they never orgasm with men (a couple others also did not have orgasms but I didn't get into their heads much and they were one time deals so nothing more to report on them). Both of them said something very similar: that they got pleasure from giving pleasure, that this made them feel good and gave them a sense of worth. In some way that I don't really understand, I believe that this attitude also stems from daddy issues. Whatever the cause, when I meet a girl like that I ma happy to let her take a lot of pleasure from giving me a lot of pleasure. These girls are not as satisfying to me as the ones who are squealing with their own orgasms, but there is also something sort of liberating about not having to worry about their pleasure, and being able to just do what you please for as long as you please. I repeated a few times with one of these and enjoyed it thoroughly. She was willing to suck my dick for as long as I could take it, which turns out to be pretty long.

Unlike Ernest Li's post, I never act grateful to be getting into their holes (although I most certainly am grateful inside). Enthusiastic to be hitting it to for sure, but never that I am grateful that they are willing to give their hot young body to my ancient self. I project two attitudes to them sexually: (I) entitlement. I absolutely expect them to please me in any way they can, and I am confident they will do that. So they do, because they don't want to disappoint daddy. And (ii) "matter of fact-ness," for want of a better word. That is, the idea that sex is just normal and what adults do in private. Not a big deal and nothing to giggle about. Often we will bring food and wine to the hotel room and hang out, so the sex is only part of the FC visit. And I act as though the money is just incidental and not the reason they are hanging (and banging) with me. We all know they would never have returned the first I'm if not for the prospect of money, but I act like I don't know that, and that makes it easier for them to convince themselves also.

Evil TMP is quite right about this: "Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA. " All the girls I hit up are attractive and getting hit on a lot. So my success rate in getting messages returned is very small. Fortunately, I live in a place with tons of potential SB's on SA. And every single one of them is on there because they want a SD. It might as well be me.

[BuffBill75]

Hey all. Great thread. I'm coming down to Richmond for a business trip and was thinking of trying to hang with this one. Anyone have info on her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/6d1d6...7-088538ac9801

[EvilTmp]

I don't know what kind of girls you're looking for but the cute, non-fat, college-age girls get a shit ton of messages every day from guys all over the country. For them to bother with going through hoops for someone they've never met or talked to is fairly slim. It will work with pros (high volume) and girls that are not getting much attention (non-whites, fat girls, older gals). Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA.

So recently joined SA.

Thought I could "fav" some profiles. And I mentioned in profile description to message me their number if interested in my profile.

I was hopimg to use the technique mentioned here to read a message without premium membership.

But to my surprise I get no messages or even favs back.

Is it experience of seniors that you hear back from girls you initiate a message with?

[InTight]

A pre-paid card that can be used for purchases to merchants outside the US is a bit of a holy grail. It seems like SA has a payment system that can tolerate the readily available Visa Vanilla cards, that aren't advertised as such. Several other sites, including Secret Benefits and the email vendor I prefer, hushmail, don't have this. Are any of you SDs familiar w / a card that overcomes this issue? Specifics please. What is it, exactly, and where do you buy yours?

I use Bitcoin, it is anonymous.

[ADreamer]

So recently joined SA.

Thought I could "fav" some profiles. And I mentioned in profile description to message me their number if interested in my profile.

I was hopimg to use the technique mentioned here to read a message without premium membership.

But to my surprise I get no messages or even favs back.

Is it experience of seniors that you hear back from girls you initiate a message with?

[Walruscl]

Wow, that's awfully cynical.

Let me chime in and share my experience. Millenials and post-millenials are like any other generation in that there are all kinds of people, dreams, aspirations, desires, and personalities. They are not lazier, less ambitious, dumber, or worse than your generation (whatever that may be). Yes, they grew up with the internet and smart phones but it only means they know they can google something anytime they want and access any bits of information they want.

The chattiest girls I've ever met were post-millenials and they absolutely loved the attention of an older guy (duh, daddy issues) and were looking for a bona-fide stable relationship with said older guy. The hooker behavior of sleeping with someone for money no matter the disgust level has always been around. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping younger generations. They're no better or worse than when you were that age. It's your perspective that's changed, that's all. Approach them like the individuals that they are and you'll get better mileage and relationships as a result. Peace out.

If anything, millenials and post-millenials are one of the most diverse group you'll run into. Everything from hardcore "Yes daddy own my pussy" kink from hard-line conservatives to stable polyamorous girls, to girls in not-so-stable poly relationships, to semi-pro girls just trying to make ends meet but haven't a clue as to go about it in this line of work. It's just freakin' all over the place.

Time and patience will inevitably year a compatible person, just like civvie dating.

[EvilTmp]

The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.

Wow, that's awfully cynical.

Let me chime in and share my experience. Millenials and post-millenials are like any other generation in that there are all kinds of people, dreams, aspirations, desires, and personalities. They are not lazier, less ambitious, dumber, or worse than your generation (whatever that may be). Yes, they grew up with the internet and smart phones but it only means they know they can google something anytime they want and access any bits of information they want.

The chattiest girls I've ever met were post-millenials and they absolutely loved the attention of an older guy (duh, daddy issues) and were looking for a bona-fide stable relationship with said older guy. The hooker behavior of sleeping with someone for money no matter the disgust level has always been around. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping younger generations. They're no better or worse than when you were that age. It's your perspective that's changed, that's all. Approach them like the individuals that they are and you'll get better mileage and relationships as a result. Peace out.

[Rustyshk]

The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.

Amen! Google the Nicki Minaj interview with Ellen. She goes on and on about how her generation hates to cuddle. That's why I love the civvies under 30! God bless Tinder! They don't want to get married, definitely don't want kids right now. They want to meet up, bang it out and get back to it. They don't want to actually "hang-out. " So I bang the sh** out of them, get out of their hair fast, and wait for them to call me the next time they're horny. And you're absolutely right about the ADHD. Every time I try to sit and have a conversation with them, their eyes glaze over. It looks like their head's about to pop off.

[Rustyshk]

Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?

The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.

[Rustyshk]

I've been on SA for a while. I tried Seeking Benefits, but it was a bunch of BS. How about what's your price?

Seeking arrangements has the biggest selection. I always have luck when I travel too.