"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DogBert77]

Just wondering, with such an age difference between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?

Again, I have only been on SA a few months, and I don't want to pretend to more experience than I have. That said, it is totally working for me so I will respond. My MO is to try to get to a meet ASAP. This is because I recognize that my game is stronger in person than online. So I propose a low key meet, coffee, or, if they are old enough to get served, drinks. I never hint that I expect anything from first meet, but I also never tell them "no expectations. " If they ask, I just say let's meet, see if there is chemistry and see where it goes. But I always have a room lined up so if it goes well we can go straight to the FC, and usually we do.

As far as how I connect, I would say my approach is different from a lot of guys on here. First, I treat them like a date, not a hooker. Show interest in them and their lives. Ask about school, room mates, whatever. I tell them about my life, not any identifying information, but my travels and life experiences. I make no effort to seem "young" or "hip. " I feel free to give them advice and pass judgment on them and their life choices. In other words, sort of an authority figure, but one who wants to bang them. I make no secret of the fact that I am married and have kids. I brag about my kids and make it clear that I take good care of them and they get lots of opportunities. Pretty much every girl I have met on SA has Daddy issues and they wish that they had a Daddy like me in real life. So the next best thing is to let me be their sugar daddy.

The girls I like are not slackers. They are uniformly ambitious, usually smart and good students and work hard. They want more out of life. I paint a picture of how they can have that with me. I make it clear that I am interested in them sexually (assuming I am. I am interested in almost all the girls I get to a meet and greet with, so I don't have to pretend), but I don't dote over them or do any PDA or make any moves in public. I am very self confident and just assume that they want to go to the FC with me. And they do. I disagree that the young ones are not interested in conversation. I find them desperate to talk to someone who sounds different than the 20 year old guys they are used to.

I pay a lot of attention to their needs in bed. I always DATY if they let me, and if they don't let me I don't repeat. I try to figure out which positions are doing it for them and spend some time in that position even if it's not my favorite. My goal is to fuck them as thoroughly as possible, so I pretty much want to put them through all the paces and into every position I can think of anyway. If their favorite is not my favorite I am likely to last longer. And really, as long as my dick is inside them, are there any bad positions? One of my girls had her first multiple orgasm experience with me, and another one her first vaginal orgasm. Not bad from a still small sample size. Just like in civvy dating, this makes them want more of my dick (and tongue) of course.

Two girls did not have orgasms, did not want to try and told me that they never orgasm with men (a couple others also did not have orgasms but I didn't get into their heads much and they were one time deals so nothing more to report on them). Both of them said something very similar: that they got pleasure from giving pleasure, that this made them feel good and gave them a sense of worth. In some way that I don't really understand, I believe that this attitude also stems from daddy issues. Whatever the cause, when I meet a girl like that I ma happy to let her take a lot of pleasure from giving me a lot of pleasure. These girls are not as satisfying to me as the ones who are squealing with their own orgasms, but there is also something sort of liberating about not having to worry about their pleasure, and being able to just do what you please for as long as you please. I repeated a few times with one of these and enjoyed it thoroughly. She was willing to suck my dick for as long as I could take it, which turns out to be pretty long.

Unlike Ernest Li's post, I never act grateful to be getting into their holes (although I most certainly am grateful inside). Enthusiastic to be hitting it to for sure, but never that I am grateful that they are willing to give their hot young body to my ancient self. I project two attitudes to them sexually: (I) entitlement. I absolutely expect them to please me in any way they can, and I am confident they will do that. So they do, because they don't want to disappoint daddy. And (ii) "matter of fact-ness," for want of a better word. That is, the idea that sex is just normal and what adults do in private. Not a big deal and nothing to giggle about. Often we will bring food and wine to the hotel room and hang out, so the sex is only part of the FC visit. And I act as though the money is just incidental and not the reason they are hanging (and banging) with me. We all know they would never have returned the first I'm if not for the prospect of money, but I act like I don't know that, and that makes it easier for them to convince themselves also.

Evil TMP is quite right about this: "Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA. " All the girls I hit up are attractive and getting hit on a lot. So my success rate in getting messages returned is very small. Fortunately, I live in a place with tons of potential SB's on SA. And every single one of them is on there because they want a SD. It might as well be me.

[BuffBill75]

Hey all. Great thread. I'm coming down to Richmond for a business trip and was thinking of trying to hang with this one. Anyone have info on her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/6d1d6...7-088538ac9801

[EvilTmp]

I don't know what kind of girls you're looking for but the cute, non-fat, college-age girls get a shit ton of messages every day from guys all over the country. For them to bother with going through hoops for someone they've never met or talked to is fairly slim. It will work with pros (high volume) and girls that are not getting much attention (non-whites, fat girls, older gals). Always remember that the blonde, 110 lbs, 20 yo hottie you're looking at is getting a thousand messages whenever she logs on SA.

So recently joined SA.

Thought I could "fav" some profiles. And I mentioned in profile description to message me their number if interested in my profile.

I was hopimg to use the technique mentioned here to read a message without premium membership.

But to my surprise I get no messages or even favs back.

Is it experience of seniors that you hear back from girls you initiate a message with?

[InTight]

A pre-paid card that can be used for purchases to merchants outside the US is a bit of a holy grail. It seems like SA has a payment system that can tolerate the readily available Visa Vanilla cards, that aren't advertised as such. Several other sites, including Secret Benefits and the email vendor I prefer, hushmail, don't have this. Are any of you SDs familiar w / a card that overcomes this issue? Specifics please. What is it, exactly, and where do you buy yours?

I use Bitcoin, it is anonymous.

[ADreamer]

So recently joined SA.

Thought I could "fav" some profiles. And I mentioned in profile description to message me their number if interested in my profile.

I was hopimg to use the technique mentioned here to read a message without premium membership.

But to my surprise I get no messages or even favs back.

Is it experience of seniors that you hear back from girls you initiate a message with?

[Walruscl]

Wow, that's awfully cynical.

Let me chime in and share my experience. Millenials and post-millenials are like any other generation in that there are all kinds of people, dreams, aspirations, desires, and personalities. They are not lazier, less ambitious, dumber, or worse than your generation (whatever that may be). Yes, they grew up with the internet and smart phones but it only means they know they can google something anytime they want and access any bits of information they want.

The chattiest girls I've ever met were post-millenials and they absolutely loved the attention of an older guy (duh, daddy issues) and were looking for a bona-fide stable relationship with said older guy. The hooker behavior of sleeping with someone for money no matter the disgust level has always been around. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping younger generations. They're no better or worse than when you were that age. It's your perspective that's changed, that's all. Approach them like the individuals that they are and you'll get better mileage and relationships as a result. Peace out.

If anything, millenials and post-millenials are one of the most diverse group you'll run into. Everything from hardcore "Yes daddy own my pussy" kink from hard-line conservatives to stable polyamorous girls, to girls in not-so-stable poly relationships, to semi-pro girls just trying to make ends meet but haven't a clue as to go about it in this line of work. It's just freakin' all over the place.

Time and patience will inevitably year a compatible person, just like civvie dating.

[EvilTmp]

The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.

Wow, that's awfully cynical.

Let me chime in and share my experience. Millenials and post-millenials are like any other generation in that there are all kinds of people, dreams, aspirations, desires, and personalities. They are not lazier, less ambitious, dumber, or worse than your generation (whatever that may be). Yes, they grew up with the internet and smart phones but it only means they know they can google something anytime they want and access any bits of information they want.

The chattiest girls I've ever met were post-millenials and they absolutely loved the attention of an older guy (duh, daddy issues) and were looking for a bona-fide stable relationship with said older guy. The hooker behavior of sleeping with someone for money no matter the disgust level has always been around. It's not called the oldest profession for nothing.

There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping younger generations. They're no better or worse than when you were that age. It's your perspective that's changed, that's all. Approach them like the individuals that they are and you'll get better mileage and relationships as a result. Peace out.

[Rustyshk]

The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.

Amen! Google the Nicki Minaj interview with Ellen. She goes on and on about how her generation hates to cuddle. That's why I love the civvies under 30! God bless Tinder! They don't want to get married, definitely don't want kids right now. They want to meet up, bang it out and get back to it. They don't want to actually "hang-out. " So I bang the sh** out of them, get out of their hair fast, and wait for them to call me the next time they're horny. And you're absolutely right about the ADHD. Every time I try to sit and have a conversation with them, their eyes glaze over. It looks like their head's about to pop off.

[Rustyshk]

Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?

The oldest millennials are turning 38 yrs old in 2019. You're not only trying to connect with millennial SBs, but now you're dealing with the "post-millennials. " They are a completely different species. If you're trying to connect with girls under the age of 32, you have to realize that their likes and dislikes are 100% different than yours. Women over 40 love to be taken out to dinner and wined and dined. Young girls, love GrubHub. They're not big on human interaction unless its sex. The younger generation does not like commitment. When they want to have sex, they text a 21 yr old boy and ask him if he wants to "Netflix and chill. " When I first heard this phrase, I assumed it meant that they would watch a movie and have sex. I found out from my niece that they never watch the movie at all. The guy is coming over for sex and then he leaves immediately. They no more want to chat and have idle conversation with each other, much less US. The newer generation hates small talk. They don't want to chat and send pics unless they're going to get something. A hot millenial does not want to sit and listen to a man in his 40's /50's ramble about his hobbies and lifelong accomplishments unless she's getting paid. It's excruciating for millenials to have to sit through that. Most of them have ADHD. Sitting still without a phone or video game in their hands is very difficult for them psychologically. Young girls are trying to get banged and run, whether they're leaving with money or not.

[Rustyshk]

I've been on SA for a while. I tried Seeking Benefits, but it was a bunch of BS. How about what's your price?

Seeking arrangements has the biggest selection. I always have luck when I travel too.

[FarFarAway]

A pre-paid card that can be used for purchases to merchants outside the US is a bit of a holy grail. It seems like SA has a payment system that can tolerate the readily available Visa Vanilla cards, that aren't advertised as such. Several other sites, including Secret Benefits and the email vendor I prefer, hushmail, don't have this. Are any of you SDs familiar w / a card that overcomes this issue? Specifics please. What is it, exactly, and where do you buy yours?

[Rustyshk]

I've been on SA for a while. I tried Seeking Benefits, but it was a bunch of BS. How about what's your price?

[GobBluth]

Don't make them feel like ***** -- until you are pulling their hair and they scream "fuck me in the ass daddy" and they ask you to.

20 something boys are boys and SBs want a man. They don't care how old they are -- for the most part -- so long as you cross the threshold of being fit and attractive, what they really want is someone to treat them like the princess they think they are. Admittedly, some have daddy issues and are especially attracted to men who could be their dads, just as some are repulsed by the idea. Granted, I've only dipped below 20 2 x and both had serious daddy issues.

Send them flowers, buy them a gift (not just lingerie and toys) they can show off to friends. They are addicted to RomComs but live in a world of clueless wimps. They like manly men, but can't admit it to their Me Too addled friends and co-workers.

Compliment them. Tell them how pretty they are (not just hot or sexy) and compliment their hair, outfit / shoes. And especially when you are banging them, tell them how lucky you are such a gorgeous young thing will share her time (and 2 to 3 holes) with you.

Thanks much, great advice. I've gotten a lot of tips here. Had some good luck and sometimes spent too much or didn't do my homework first. It's all a journey. I'm in Tampa area, there are a ton of pros posing as SB on SA here. Caveat emptor!

[Ernest Ll]

Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them?

Don't make them feel like ***** -- until you are pulling their hair and they scream "fuck me in the ass daddy" and they ask you to.

20 something boys are boys and SBs want a man. They don't care how old they are -- for the most part -- so long as you cross the threshold of being fit and attractive, what they really want is someone to treat them like the princess they think they are. Admittedly, some have daddy issues and are especially attracted to men who could be their dads, just as some are repulsed by the idea. Granted, I've only dipped below 20 2 x and both had serious daddy issues.

Send them flowers, buy them a gift (not just lingerie and toys) they can show off to friends. They are addicted to RomComs but live in a world of clueless wimps. They like manly men, but can't admit it to their Me Too addled friends and co-workers.

Compliment them. Tell them how pretty they are (not just hot or sexy) and compliment their hair, outfit / shoes. And especially when you are banging them, tell them how lucky you are such a gorgeous young thing will share her time (and 2 to 3 holes) with you.

[LongLasting]

This is my first post, and I would like to first thank JZLizard and all the bros on here for the invaluable education. The advice on here helped save me lots of wasted time and money. I have been on SA for about four months, so compared to some of the guys on here, I am a total newbie, but I can say that it works!

I have been married for many years, so my game was pretty rusty. But I've basically been batting 1000 on SA. I have only done two meet and greets that didn't lead to the FC, most of them on first meeting, the rest on the second. The two that didn't go anywhere were my choice. One was a transsexual who had posted someone else's photos. I had arranged a coffee meet at a time and place that was convenient for me, and they actually bought their own coffee. So I was out no money and little time, although the encounter did sort of ruin my day. The other one was a college freshman who had gained the "freshman 15" or maybe the "freshman 25" since her photos were taken so I just didn't want to bother.

I have taken nine SB's to the FC, three of them multiple times. There could have been lots more with more time and money. I am 58, the youngest SB's were 19 (two of those), the oldest one was 27. (So far, the 18 year old unicorn has eluded me, but I'm not complaining.) All nice looking girls and some of them incredibly hot. The worst sex I've had was still great, and the best was up there with the best experiences of my life, and there have been a lot.

The most amazing thing to me is that out of nine girls who have been to the FC, six of them did not set a price or talk about money at all first. Unbelievable! I suppose I could have stiffed them (after giving them my stiffie) but I have never done that. I always slipped cash into their purse or something afterwards. I know what I am paying is on the low end of the range for my area, and yet most of them are happy to come back for more. (One girl did send me a nastygram text afterwards complaining about the amount, but not before I had spent a memorable afternoon enjoying her undivided attention and a body that was at least a 9. 5.) The three who did bring up money first all accepted my offer without negotiation. Right now I am seeing two of the best of the nine on a fairly regular basis, while I continue to scout for new talent. My standards for new talent have gotten pretty high.

I would rate myself as looking average for my age. I used to be pretty good looking, but years have taken their toll. I go to the gym regularly and am more fit than average for my age. I feel my game online is weak. The whole internet dating thing, and even the texting thing, came along after my time. However, I think my game in person is tops. In my view, the cash is sort of ancillary. The girls need it, and I am happy to provide it. But the SB's I like are regular college girls, not pros, and its not simply a matter of paying them. You need to talk your way into their pants. This is something I've done my whole life, and I enjoy it. Bottom line, if I can do it, most anyone can.

Many have complained here about the investment of time required, and in my experience it does take a lot time. My response percentage is tiny. But, my God, it is time spent searching out pretty young girls online, comparing their photos and deciding which girls are the choicest, and flirting with them, first online and then in person. Is that "work"? Not in my view. It's an enjoyable hobby in itself. Of course, its made more enjoyable with the anticipation of eventually seeing them on their knees sucking my dick and the knowledge that enough of them will. The sex with these girls is incomparably better than with pros and makes it all worthwhile. I've had lots of hobbies, and have spent plenty on them over the years. This hobby has given my far more pleasure than any of them.

So yeah, there are all manner of girls on SA. Tons of garden variety pros. Lot of gold diggers. A surprising number of girls who seem to view it as "just a dating site. " Some of them actually claim to be "marriage-minded. " You can find just about any kind of girl you want on there and plenty you don't want. Lots of them I wouldn't fuck with your dick. But my God, there are some real gems among them, and some of them can be persuaded to give you anything you want, just the way you want it, and seem delighted to do so! I swear I feel like I'm acting in a porn film sometimes.

Viva SA!

Just wondering, with such an age difffernce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies. Is there a particular kind of gal you look for?