"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!

I've written a great deal about how much difference staying in shape can make. It does far more for the overall SD experience than any other single factor -- everything from attracting better SBs, to allowing endless sexual endurance without pills. Women are attracted to alpha males, and alphas don't let themselves get lazy and out of shape, because they want the competitive edge at all times. I can't tell you how much free pussy (well -- free of direct payment that is) the cost of a gym membership has bought me in the bowl.

Regular exercise elevates your natural testosterone levels, and when it comes to T levels, no SB has ever thought to herself "less is more".

A good SB already (as opposed to an escort) has a natural preference for much older men, and while escorts and UTRs will do anything for money, the kind of SBs most of us are after do look for SDs they are physically attracted to. It's hard for an 18-22 year old to be attracted to a lazy schlub of any age, or a guy who has money but let his looks go. But the vast majority of them get horny for a successful and ambitious older man who works out and who can fuck them better than guys half his age.

[JustLonely]

Continuing on the Married theme, I have had 2 college SB's in the last week tell me they were not interested because I was married. One had not seen it on my profile and it wasn't until we were planning our second date that I off handily mentioned needing to get home by 10 pm. She said she wasn't going to be that "other woman". So that ended before the fun started. The other just this morning was willing to "meet for massages but no sex with a married man". That pleasure would cost me 300.

[JustLonely]

My one con with a married sb was her getting too attached. Just be careful, many of the married ones are neglected at home and more sensitive to attention a man might give her. Otherwise I've enjoyed the married ones.

I had 9 months with a married 25 yo SB. She said she felt under appreciated. It was hot and heavy for 7 months. I even got her to grow out her pussy hair as that is what I like on a woman. She said her hubby wouldn't care as wouldn't go down on her anyway. So she got her confidence back as a woman and decided she wanted out of her marriage and told him so. That didn't go over so well with him. That situation dampened her mood and her marriage problems soon become the dominant conversation when we were together. I like to be supportive but I also view my time with an SB as my escape not a therapy session. So we drifted apart. She separated from her husband and now has a new job and new boy friend for real.

So for now I avoid the married ones and the open relationship ones. The OR SBs are another story with jealous boyfriends.

[Javazer]

My one con with a married sb was her getting too attached. Just be careful, many of the married ones are neglected at home and more sensitive to attention a man might give her. Otherwise I've enjoyed the married ones.

I can concur with your assessment, I am with one right now since July and we would be dripping just by giving me a BJ, still one of my ATF. Had to take a few weeks break but will get in her shortly.

Enjoy the bowl!

J.

[Hungre1234]

I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.

Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?

My one con with a married sb was her getting too attached. Just be careful, many of the married ones are neglected at home and more sensitive to attention a man might give her. Otherwise I've enjoyed the married ones.

[HollywoodGuy]

On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.

This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.

I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.

I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .

Its such a small world. I am messaging this girl as listed in L. A. Everything is going great and then she tells me she is currently going to school in boston. LOL. All this, while I am replying to you. I guess she really does live here (L. A.) but goes to school there. Coming here for the holidays, Hope she follows through, as we seem to be in total agreement.

[HollywoodGuy]

On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.

This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.

I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.

I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .

I think GPS is universal and constant everywhere. But I will admit that if I see a girl mention in her post that she just moved here (L. A.) from the east coast I mostly shine them on. I don't know how much time you spend online, but you really do have to dig to find the gold. Statistically my numbers would look pathetic on a pie chart. Luckily there are a lot of girls to hit up. Maybe less in your area. Don't know.

[Walruscl]

Maybe its time to up your game?

On one hand, touche. On the other, the hotter / more-in-shape SB's in my area (Boston) have serious GPS issues that seem to defy any amount of game. Most of them basically insist on talking $$$ before even meeting. So either you refuse to meet, or you inevitably find out that they have GPS and you have no ability to counter it with game.

This just happened to me today. It was odd since the SB was definitely pursuing me on the site, asking why I had gone silent at one point (first, she asked about $$$ on the site, second, I was busy with other things, but that wasn't the excuse I gave). When we finally got to text, she was asking $ to meet for dinner, and $$ for each intimacy meet. I told her I don't pay for NSA's, and that I couldn't do five but would be willing to talk about it when it became clear that we had enough chemistry for the discussion to be relevant. She told me it was non-negotiable, so I wished her well.

I guess one upside is I didn't waste time on an NSA.

I will say that my regular SB's body is a Venus de Milo worthy work of art, and is still in great shape despite a six month hiatus from the gym. So I'm not doing *all* that badly. .

[HawkJock]

I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.

Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?

I've met 5-6 married ladies from the SB websites. One was in an open relationship, the rest were looking for a side piece. I'd say, from my experience, they are not SB per se. They are using the SB websites to find, what they assume, upscale and non-dramatic dudes. Guys that are not going to blow their cover, etc. Only one would let me give her money on rare occasion. All of them wanted to sexually experiment and do stuff they've seen in porn that their old man wouldn't do. They are one of the better kept secrets.

The con would be their availability. They tend to not be able to meet a couple times a week. Pitfalls would obviously be a jealous husband that seeks to level the score thru violence or other destruction. I met one married lady who's husband had caught her before, who was charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter after T-boning her fuck toy at 75 mph at an intersection.

Be careful and stay safe dude.

[Geechie Dan]

I know married SBs aren't a new thing, but I just met one who's married and in an open relationship. We did a M&G and kept in touch via text for a few weeks. Got some hot pics and vids over those few weeks. Finally got to the FC and it was all that and a bag of chips. She's a definite keeper. A hot late 30's SB, with few inhibitions. God bless the Sugar Bowl.

Anyone else had experiences with married SBs? Pros? Cons? Pitfalls to watch out for?

[HollywoodGuy]

I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered.

Maybe its time to up your game?

[HawkJock]

Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!

Good work dude!!

[Walruscl]

Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.

Just my 1 cent.

Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!

[HawkJock]

I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.

Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game..

This thread is worth reviving! I mean, we are middle aged guys that are hanging out with banging hot 20-30 something ladies. Yes, for the most part, we have our shit together, provide and allowance / gifts and add to their life experiences. And yes, they will venture to the FC for those, but they will lay it on the line and enjoy the the experiences far more if they are attracted. We simply have to take care of ourselves, not only for this hobby, but in general.

The working out part is more important after we hit our early to mid 40's. Our testosterone production decreases dramatically when we reach that age and muscle mass decreases. If we maintain the same weight that translates to increased fat storage, which further decreases testosterone. Lifting weights is three pronged: It increases muscle mass, it decreases fat storage, and increases testosterone production. You don't have to be a gym rat to get the these effects. 3 days a week of even light-moderate exercise will yield great results. Your boner and your SB will thank you for that investment!

I am upper 40's, nearly 50, and I am having the time of my life. 4 pops with a hot co-ed just yesterday / last night only to wake up this morning for another hours worth of FC. Supplements worth mentioning: CoQ10, SeroVital, Turmeric, and a Testosterone supplement I get from Costco. I also use Rodan and Fields beyond the shave regimen.

Not only for the hobby, but for life in general, we need to take care of the machine that we are using to make this hobby so much fun.

Good luck fellas and be careful out there!!

[HollywoodGuy]

I don't know how to highlight one section of the quote here, but I responding to your part about cleaning up, staying in shape, etc. This is huge, as no younger girl wants to be pounded by an old obese slob, no offense to anyone. But facts are facts. I take this part of my game even further. I micro manage every aspect of my overall looks and health and you know what? Not only is it good for sugar dating, it's just good for overall health and well being. I basically bodybuild. I'm no pro, but could be a solid amateur bodybuilder. When I walk into meet these girls, they can tell, yes, I'm older, but to have my build, they know I have my shit together. I've had girls say they should be offering me allowance and a few probably meant it. I have little empathy for anyone who lets themselves totally go. So keep that in mind. My one vice that counters all this, is drinking. I do better with the girls when buzzed and loosened up, and since I'm dating them so much, I find myself having several drinks, multiple times per week and that has set me back. But drinking really helps me be more open as I can be a bit stiff without it.

My point is, if you're a 40 plus year old guy, get your hormones checked, get them in line and don; t just do some morning sit-ups and call it good, train your body, get in the best shape of you life and you'll do ten times better at this game. The girls will actually be into you! I speak from experience! And they best sex you can have with anyone, is someone having fun too and into it.

Two cents.

I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.

Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game.

And drinking specifically will start to have negative effects on your ability to get it up over time. But you already know all this or should. And the mixing of drinking with sex enhancing drugs like viagra or cialis is a big no no.

Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.

Just my 1 cent.