"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Peter Johnson]

I'd not recommend this. In nearly all states it is both criminally and civilly illegal to knowingly expose / transmit STD / STI. In some states it is illegal to not tell a partner about specific STD / STI.

If they are exposed or contract the STD / STI they could press charges and sue in civil court. Thru discovery they will scour your health records and once they know you know they can transfer a portion of your wealth for having done so.

Stay safe out there!

I had this same thought and perhaps one could say that HSV 1 and HSV 2 could just be on your lips if you never had an outbreak down below, so you didn't know you had it gentally. Most of the people who have it probably don't even know it and never have an outbreak. But if you got the test results at the doctor, then you do know you have the virus.

However, I guess you are still officially supposed to disclose this. But 90% of the population has HSV 1, and no one discloses that. Perhaps you could still be sued for it though and current society is very misandrist and would rule against the evil dirty man in nearly every case. But I don't think many people with HSV2 are disclosing it to potential partners if they wear condoms. Not with SA girls at least. I agree though that there is significant risk there.

Also, got to assume most of these SA women are not monogamous, so how would they know you gave it to them even if you did. They could have gotten it from any of the many other guys they are doing. However, I guess they could subpoena the health records of every one of those guys. That is unlikely, but possible. And perhaps some SB women are monogamous, but can't see how it would be a lot.

[DArrow404]

Yes, however she has been reviewed on here and favorable. My question was really has she started skimping instead of actual SB now??

Well, she has gone GPS now. I've been texting on and off with her for a couple weeks. She will go days before responding. Today we were texting a fair amount and trying to setup a meet. I asked her how much of an allowance she is looking for. She said she is looking for 2000 per month and of course she can't host. Lulz.

I haven't responded to her yet. I'm not sure if I'm going to try and get her down to a lower per meet or not. Maybe I'll just string her along and give her false hope that she landed a sucker.

[HawkJock]

Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

I'd not recommend this. In nearly all states it is both criminally and civilly illegal to knowingly expose / transmit STD / STI. In some states it is illegal to not tell a partner about specific STD / STI.

If they are exposed or contract the STD / STI they could press charges and sue in civil court. Thru discovery they will scour your health records and once they know you know they can transfer a portion of your wealth for having done so.

Stay safe out there!

[Peter Johnson]

Complete time waster. We met for dinner then came back to my place.

She insisted get the money before anything. So I never do this but she seemed so cool.

I gave her, we hung a bit then went to the bathroom and came back with the whole.

"I just started my period" so I can't do anything but I can still spend the night.

I was pissed but later just told her to go home. Total damage was 2. 5 $ that ill never get back.

Because I hate confrontation and don't want any issues just told her to give me 1. 0 $ back.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f749...1-c5e364f152da

What woman can't do anything if she is on her period? Hasn't she heard of oral sex or a handjob? But odd that she said she would spend the night, so maybe she wasn't totally trying to rip you off.

[Peter Johnson]

HSV 2 which is harder to explain if it shows up. I actually just read quite a few articles on transmission rates and it is difficult to spread even in a fully unprotected situation. At least from female to male. Simply not a risk I can take however.

I figure most every monger on here has HPV and HSV, although maybe I'm wrong about that. But you can get / give HSV1 or 2 without any kind of visible outbreak. I think most people are antisymptomatic most of the time. I think I had two outbreaks in like 10 years. Also condom does not necessarily help you, because can have it on your thighs. That is where I had outbreak before.

Anyway STD discussion is a buzzkill here, and I figure it's a risk we all accept and some of us try to minimize it and some do not. I have gone bare with literally hundreds of women and it was worth it to get what I have, which is nothing bad. That being said, I've slowed down quite a bit in my old age and more selective now and try not to put myself in situations where I know I will probably go against what my original plan was.

This is interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkers/...4_risk_of_hiv/ The risk is like 0. 08% for a man to give it to a woman, so for a man to get it from a woman has to be a fraction of that.

Anyway, HSV is nothing and it's mostly the social stimga around it that makes people freak out about it a little.

[SummaTaco]

Based on the threads below I figured I'd relate my personal experience with hsv2. I'm an SA guy. I met up with a hot lady back in May. We had unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex over the course of a few days. She mentioned wanting to get a test. I hadn't had one in about 8 months, so got one. I came back clean except for being HSV2 positive. I was shocked. I went to see my doc and he said the same thing that was mentioned. The test looks for antibodies for the virus. I have never had an outbreak. The original SB and I lost contact before I could relate the results. I did have someone I was currently seeing and told her. We still see each other, but it did significantly change the nature of our relationship. We basically do mutual masturbation. We have a great connection, which is why I continue seeing her, but in retrospect I wish I had never told her. After doing a bunch of research it is VERY difficult to spread orally and if you wear a condom (which she always wanted anyway) the odds are really small. Still, she is paranoid. So there it is. Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

It does make me think about the Gangbang thread though. I have seen one of the featured ladies on the thread a few times about this time last year (don't PM me, I won't divulge who). We went unprotected. She most likely is not infected, but given the odds and activities of all involved it is very likely someone there is. Take that for what it's worth. For fans of Adam Ruins Everything there is an episode featuring HSV2. Up until the 80's it really was a non-factor treated as a simple skin infection or disease. According to the episode it was the drug companies with treatments that drove the big publicity around it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so don't know what I think of that. Of course my diagnosis jades my viewpoint, LOL.

Anyway, I know most of the rules here and hope I haven't said something that gets this post deleted.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

I've seen porn stars on twitter post their testing results. They don't even test for HSV. It's a waste of money. However, if you have a significant other, you've definitely got to think about that sort of thing.

[SummaTaco]

Based on the threads below I figured I'd relate my personal experience with hsv2. I'm an SA guy. I met up with a hot lady back in May. We had unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex over the course of a few days. She mentioned wanting to get a test. I hadn't had one in about 8 months, so got one. I came back clean except for being HSV2 positive. I was shocked. I went to see my doc and he said the same thing that was mentioned. The test looks for antibodies for the virus. I have never had an outbreak. The original SB and I lost contact before I could relate the results. I did have someone I was currently seeing and told her. We still see each other, but it did significantly change the nature of our relationship. We basically do mutual masturbation. We have a great connection, which is why I continue seeing her, but in retrospect I wish I had never told her. After doing a bunch of research it is VERY difficult to spread orally and if you wear a condom (which she always wanted anyway) the odds are really small. Still, she is paranoid. So there it is. Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

It does make me think about the Gangbang thread though. I have seen one of the featured ladies on the thread a few times about this time last year (don't PM me, I won't divulge who). We went unprotected. She most likely is not infected, but given the odds and activities of all involved it is very likely someone there is. Take that for what it's worth. For fans of Adam Ruins Everything there is an episode featuring HSV2. Up until the 80's it really was a non-factor treated as a simple skin infection or disease. According to the episode it was the drug companies with treatments that drove the big publicity around it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so don't know what I think of that. Of course my diagnosis jades my viewpoint, LOL.

Anyway, I know most of the rules here and hope I haven't said something that gets this post deleted.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

Supposedly the percentage of HSV-2 positive people who get genital cold sores is something like 10%. But it's much nastier in terms of the fever and damage it does (short term damage, but still.).

[AllHailChet]

It does make me think about the Gangbang thread though. I have seen one of the featured ladies on the thread a few times about this time last year (don't PM me, I won't divulge who). We went unprotected. She most likely is not infected.

The world needs this sort of optimism LMAO.

[Alejunda]

Complete time waster. We met for dinner then came back to my place.

She insisted get the money before anything. So I never do this but she seemed so cool.

I gave her, we hung a bit then went to the bathroom and came back with the whole.

"I just started my period" so I can't do anything but I can still spend the night.

I was pissed but later just told her to go home. Total damage was 2. 5 $ that ill never get back.

Because I hate confrontation and don't want any issues just told her to give me 1. 0 $ back.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f749...1-c5e364f152da

[PeteAppleSeed]

So here is the crazy end to the saga. We decide to get STI tested before the trip (and prior to anything more than kissing) and she comes back positive for HSV. I have to give her the bad news (while she is at her parents!) because I arranged the whole thing to my email, etc. She's absolutely devastated to learn this. Texts me to apologize for messing up what could have been something. I maybe dodged a bullet but am as confused as ever. Would love to learn what was going on in her head. I liked your comment on social media. That seems to be more important than anything to that generation. Sorry to the PM. I'm not sharing her info or number with anyone.

There was another post asking why I'd pay 80 bucks for a cuddle. I'm so sick of indifferent girls, crappy massages and a lousy handjob. Either the girl zones out into space and strokes away or starts off nice and turns into a jack hammer the minute I start to get close. It's getting better to hold a tight body for a while and jerk off at home after.

Maybe you're getting to the end of your monger career.

I agree with the others that say that she knew she had it. Everyone has HSV 1 and I'd bet a lot have HSV 2 (and worse) but don't talk about it (not judging, it comes with the territory). And only a few of us are on PREP (Truvada) so if STDs keep you up at night, we'll you're looking in the wrong place. You want love, look for a lover, you want to fuck, look for a fucker. And you're tired cold HJs and indifference. Maybe you're getting to the end of your mongering career.

[TravelinSD]

Based on the threads below I figured I'd relate my personal experience with hsv2. I'm an SA guy. I met up with a hot lady back in May. We had unprotected oral, vaginal and anal sex over the course of a few days. She mentioned wanting to get a test. I hadn't had one in about 8 months, so got one. I came back clean except for being HSV2 positive. I was shocked. I went to see my doc and he said the same thing that was mentioned. The test looks for antibodies for the virus. I have never had an outbreak. The original SB and I lost contact before I could relate the results. I did have someone I was currently seeing and told her. We still see each other, but it did significantly change the nature of our relationship. We basically do mutual masturbation. We have a great connection, which is why I continue seeing her, but in retrospect I wish I had never told her. After doing a bunch of research it is VERY difficult to spread orally and if you wear a condom (which she always wanted anyway) the odds are really small. Still, she is paranoid. So there it is. Moving forward I've decided to not tell my other SA partners about my status and will use a condom for intercourse.

It does make me think about the Gangbang thread though. I have seen one of the featured ladies on the thread a few times about this time last year (don't PM me, I won't divulge who). We went unprotected. She most likely is not infected, but given the odds and activities of all involved it is very likely someone there is. Take that for what it's worth. For fans of Adam Ruins Everything there is an episode featuring HSV2. Up until the 80's it really was a non-factor treated as a simple skin infection or disease. According to the episode it was the drug companies with treatments that drove the big publicity around it. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so don't know what I think of that. Of course my diagnosis jades my viewpoint, LOL.

Anyway, I know most of the rules here and hope I haven't said something that gets this post deleted.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

[LogJammin18]

HSV 2 which is harder to explain if it shows up. I actually just read quite a few articles on transmission rates and it is difficult to spread even in a fully unprotected situation. At least from female to male. Simply not a risk I can take however.

Did you end up using http://myprivatelabs.com.

[Member #2227]

You got to determine for yourself how much risk you want to take.

Snugglebuddies.com is the site. There are other options out there. But they are a bit less sketchy if you know what I mean.

[SummaTaco]

HSV 2 which is harder to explain if it shows up. I actually just read quite a few articles on transmission rates and it is difficult to spread even in a fully unprotected situation. At least from female to male. Simply not a risk I can take however.

You got to determine for yourself how much risk you want to take.

[Member #2227]

HSV 2 which is harder to explain if it shows up. I actually just read quite a few articles on transmission rates and it is difficult to spread even in a fully unprotected situation. At least from female to male. Simply not a risk I can take however.

A couple of points here:

(1) standard HSV testing looks for antibodies against the virus, not the virus itself.

(2) 50 to 80 percent of adults are infected with HSV-1 (mostly oral). By age 50 90% of adults have been exposed to the virus.

(3) about 2/3 of people who are infected and show up as have positive on tests never experience cold sores or any other signs they are infected.

I think it's highly likely that she had no idea she had the virus, and if so, she probably has a very low probability of shedding it and interesting a sex or make out partner.