Mud Hens Arena

[LetsGetStarted]

Well not sure how you make that correlation? So you figure if guys all band together to "low-ball" the providers, they will be so happy to have the visitors they will have a "better" attitude and perform better? I almost never "negotiate" with a girl. If it's too much, I move on. Why would I want to have her in a bad mood to start a visit by offering her less than what she is asking for? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm a pussy, maybe she will respect me so much for low-balling her she will open up and it will be great?? Sadly I don't think so.

I never said negotiate or low ball the provider, if the price is too high just say thanks and move on. I believe they get what they want and they play the games because of it, ghosting, half hour between text messages, false pictures, etc. I learned to play the game better than they do, because lets face it, the majority of these providers really do need us more than we need them.

[OlderHobbyGun]

Well, don't think I personally fall into the "white knight" category. Certainly not looking for a girlfriend, and I'm not bringing flowers and chocolates to a STG gal? My "fear" in trying to negotiate the price down, especially with someone I've never seen before, is that I will turn them sour on me, before even seeing them, and this will effect the quality of the service provided? Would love to pay a little less without sacrificing the quality of the visit? Open to suggestions?

I negotiate easy on the first then more so from there. Generally I am a regular if and when I find something good. No point in offering anything else or you will be taken advantage of. I always seem to land somewhere between 60-80 for hh.

[NorinRad]

Well, don't think I personally fall into the "white knight" category. Certainly not looking for a girlfriend, and I'm not bringing flowers and chocolates to a STG gal? My "fear" in trying to negotiate the price down, especially with someone I've never seen before, is that I will turn them sour on me, before even seeing them, and this will effect the quality of the service provided? Would love to pay a little less without sacrificing the quality of the visit? Open to suggestions?

I agree with Letsgetstarted, People overpay to see many providers who aren't worth half the rate they want. White knighting is very real and prevalent in this hobby. Guys think if they "spoil" the providers with gifts, attention, pay the high rate, the provider with suddenly fall in love with them and they'll date. So many things wrong with that, too much to add to this post. I always negotiate with a provider on STG. I never lowball them but I defiantly get a lower rate every single time. It's part of doing business. You certainly don't have to negotiate, it's your money but why pay more for the same kind of service as someone who paid less?

[SpinnerLover69]

I think people pay way to much to see these girls, I would never pay that much, but lots out there are and they think they are worth it, when they are not worth that much at all. If everyone would stop giving them what they wanted, you would see prices drop and probably get better service.

I agree with this. I have not gotten better service from a girl who asks 100 over a girl that asks 60. Thats one of the reasons I won't pay over 80 again. I have seen kennedy lane about 5 times for 60. She's hot and performs well. I know her personality is not good but she's hot, that is all that matters in this hobby. These girls will never be girlfriends so none of us should be looking for a sweetheart. Also, I know I preach about this, but giving more of your hard earned money to these girls is not going to put you in special favor in their eyes. All they will think of you is a guy they can get more money out of than another. An atm with a man attached. There is absolutely nothing these girls can do in the real world to make $20 an hour. So 60 for 20 minutes is more than enough for them. And they need us more than we need them. If they don't get their money for their candy they will be dope sick and that's very debilitating.

[Timberwolf]

I think people pay way to much to see these girls, I would never pay that much, but lots out there are and they think they are worth it, when they are not worth that much at all. If everyone would stop giving them what they wanted, you would see prices drop and probably get better service.

She has the pussy, so she sets the price. If it is too high for me OR I don't like what I see when she answers the door. I bail. As with a lady's looks, everyone's perception of value is different. A $30 blow job is no bargain.

[Screammy]

I am just about done, to many skanks and rip off risks. No real good girls anymore.

Yes, many skanks and scammers out there but they are many very good providers left but you'll have to be willing to pay a higher rate. Attractive providers who have nice bodies and are drug free don't come cheap.

[Screammy]

Well not sure how you make that correlation? So you figure if guys all band together to "low-ball" the providers, they will be so happy to have the visitors they will have a "better" attitude and perform better? I almost never "negotiate" with a girl. If it's too much, I move on. Why would I want to have her in a bad mood to start a visit by offering her less than what she is asking for? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm a pussy, maybe she will respect me so much for low-balling her she will open up and it will be great?? Sadly I don't think so.

I agree with Letsgetstarted, People overpay to see many providers who aren't worth half the rate they want. White knighting is very real and prevalent in this hobby. Guys think if they "spoil" the providers with gifts, attention, pay the high rate, the provider with suddenly fall in love with them and they'll date. So many things wrong with that, too much to add to this post. I always negotiate with a provider on STG. I never lowball them but I defiantly get a lower rate every single time. It's part of doing business. You certainly don't have to negotiate, it's your money but why pay more for the same kind of service as someone who paid less?

[NorinRad]

Well not sure how you make that correlation? So you figure if guys all band together to "low-ball" the providers, they will be so happy to have the visitors they will have a "better" attitude and perform better? I almost never "negotiate" with a girl. If it's too much, I move on. Why would I want to have her in a bad mood to start a visit by offering her less than what she is asking for? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm a pussy, maybe she will respect me so much for low-balling her she will open up and it will be great?? Sadly I don't think so.

I think people pay way to much to see these girls, I would never pay that much, but lots out there are and they think they are worth it, when they are not worth that much at all. If everyone would stop giving them what they wanted, you would see prices drop and probably get better service.

[LetsGetStarted]

Sadly you are so correct. Half the girls you wouldn't consider seeing, the other half. Well, some guys say are "good" others say are "bad" its a complete crap shoot. I'm lucky with a nice regular girl to see, but the fun used to be meeting new people. If I were a wealthy man, (wasn't that a song) I wouldn't mind so much, but sick and tired of forking over benny franklins for uninspired visits from girls who do not look like their photos??

I think people pay way to much to see these girls, I would never pay that much, but lots out there are and they think they are worth it, when they are not worth that much at all. If everyone would stop giving them what they wanted, you would see prices drop and probably get better service.

[Pat122]

My issue was primarily with the family members names and their names. If others read and only remember the negative stuff after pointing out that most of it has no proof, well, they can not really be helped. Almost every provider has a negative review (you well know YMMV), so by your account 40% of the members will see no one unless they are not reviewed at all.

A2 is right, I am not going to see someone who is rumored to have some type of disease. Just my opinion.

I also understand bad bird, family last name should not be listed.

[WorthlessNut]

Hmmm. Yes, it doesn't seem to be working but their post is still there. Go to Toledo STG and enter "respond" as your search term. You'll need to scroll through a few results to get back to Saturday. I just confirmed by doing this myself. Apologies for the confusion, but it's worth doing so to read their response if you have dreamed of them in the past or are thinking about doing so in the future.

Best,

PL.

OK, thanks.

[PassionLaw]

Link showed nothing, I think ad pulled down I got on stg and found nothing.

Hmmm. Yes, it doesn't seem to be working but their post is still there. Go to Toledo STG and enter "respond" as your search term. You'll need to scroll through a few results to get back to Saturday. I just confirmed by doing this myself. Apologies for the confusion, but it's worth doing so to read their response if you have dreamed of them in the past or are thinking about doing so in the future.

Best,

PL.

[Bad Bird]

You can white knight all you want on the stupid shit thread for all I care but it has no place on a review thread.

I would also point out that REPOSTING the information you object to is doing real damage to the ladies you are trying to champion. If you wanted to help them you would just post a review, reposting a link to the info you think is false will just drive more guys to see it and that will cost them business because that's how it works with negative info, no matter what you say about 40% of the guys who see it will only remember the negative stuff.

So, well done you

A2

My issue was primarily with the family members names and their names. If others read and only remember the negative stuff after pointing out that most of it has no proof, well, they can not really be helped. Almost every provider has a negative review (you well know YMMV), so by your account 40% of the members will see no one unless they are not reviewed at all.

[WorthlessNut]

The below was posted by the duo yesterday and gives, I think, a very believable defense of their side of this scuffle. It's coherent, well-written and puts most of what you will see on STG to shame in terms of actually stating something sensible. I, for one, believe them and it sounds like they are being unfairly smeared by a real POS jerk.

Http://toledo.skipthegames.com/femal...095566392499OS

Link showed nothing, I think ad pulled down I got on stg and found nothing.

[Admin2]

I do not post in this section, I think it is useless and pointless to even be on this site. But I feel if I put this in the Escort section the all powerful admin would be unhappy so maybe it is useful after all.

You can white knight all you want on the stupid shit thread for all I care but it has no place on a review thread.

I would also point out that REPOSTING the information you object to is doing real damage to the ladies you are trying to champion. If you wanted to help them you would just post a review, reposting a link to the info you think is false will just drive more guys to see it and that will cost them business because that's how it works with negative info, no matter what you say about 40% of the guys who see it will only remember the negative stuff.

So, well done you

A2