"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Ltnric]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.

I have seen a lot of providers who are no longer accepting calls from GV. Not sure why as a burner phone is just the same as GV. However, with burner phones is a pain because unless you get a monthly plan, which I don't hobby that much, then you have to buy minutes so that's $10-$20 in additional cost to call up a *****. Just frustrating when these women make it a little harder to get a hold of them. Just stupid.

[FarFarAway]

If it is a bar / restaurant that has those small packets of sugar, just write your number on the packet and hand it to the girl w / your tip. Girls in the know are aware of what you are doing. You can tell her I have more sugar for you if you want to meet up / hang out / hook up or whatever way you say it.

This is inspired! Thanks for sharing that tip. Avoids the? Of the business card, etc.

[RogerOver]

Thanks mate. I don't drink (maybe I should start, LOL), so bars are not on my radar at the moment. Girl-next-door types like the smoldering hot chick a couple of tables away sitting by herself at a Starbucks or a restaurant, or the cute cashier at McD's are more my cup of tea. Any pointers on how to open civvies in these situations and gauge whether they're SB material?

No need to drink, you can also just start order your meal at the bar.

Yep! Club soda is your friend.

[BookerTNelson]

Thanks mate. I don't drink (maybe I should start, LOL), so bars are not on my radar at the moment. Girl-next-door types like the smoldering hot chick a couple of tables away sitting by herself at a Starbucks or a restaurant, or the cute cashier at McD's are more my cup of tea. Any pointers on how to open civvies in these situations and gauge whether they're SB material?

No need to drink, you can also just start order your meal at the bar.

[BookerTNelson]

I posted this a while back in a SB forum in my home city:

I travel quite a bit, and when I eat dinner it's usually at the bar. I do this because I get faster service and about 25% of the time there's a decent looking bartender or a young hottie sitting there too. This leads me to last night:

I was chatting up a hot blonde bartender and of course starting discussing relationships. As soon as I started talking about how travel kept me from having girlfriends AND that I liked younger chicks, she immediately asked if I was a sugar daddy. Not doing the blow by blow, but you can probably see where the conversation went from there.

This has happened to me a few times. It's really that easy to get a civvie chick that isn't a full-on escort outside of SA. There just isn't any stigma attached to it anymore.

I see a lot of posts on here about "game" and all. You're going to have to chat them up, and truly, most chicks decide in just a few minutes whether they would fuck you. You'll see the interest right away or you will recognize there's not any. If there's none there, then NEXT.

YES! I've been using this approach for 3+ years and I've never been slapped and I've never had a woman seem overly offended and ask me to leave or cause a scene. I chat them up like a normal guy looking to get to know them. I become friends with the bartender (because we all know how word spreads in the restaurant / bar workplace). This approach is for men who are confident enough and have some way with words. Honestly if I was to tally things up, I've had more FWB come from this than SB / UTR's.

[BookerTNelson]

Repeating some advice I saw on this thread some time ago, this is likely an activity best left to those who are single. W / an SO, it is hazardous to be hooking up w / girls this way, or really anyplace but the sites that give us our anonymity. I have certainly thought about this many times, from the girl at a mall kiosk who gives me the eye as I walk by, to the hottie in front of me in line at the bank. I have thought about getting business cards printed up ($10 from VistaPrint) w / all my SD fake identity and contact info, but haven't pulled the trigger. Obviously, fake business cards would be evidence I wouldn't want my SO to see.

I disagree. I have a SO, this is almost strictly how I have found my "SB's". I have a business card printed with all my SD info on it and I'm not shy about handing them out but here's the trick. I do it in areas that I do not frequently visit, especially with my SO. I'm also in DC so the chances of bumping into them is verrrry low.

[Assaholic]

I posted this a while back in a SB forum in my home city:

I travel quite a bit, and when I eat dinner it's usually at the bar. I do this because I get faster service and about 25% of the time there's a decent looking bartender or a young hottie sitting there too. This leads me to last night:

I was chatting up a hot blonde bartender and of course starting discussing relationships. As soon as I started talking about how travel kept me from having girlfriends AND that I liked younger chicks, she immediately asked if I was a sugar daddy. Not doing the blow by blow, but you can probably see where the conversation went from there.

This has happened to me a few times. It's really that easy to get a civvie chick that isn't a full-on escort outside of SA. There just isn't any stigma attached to it anymore.

I see a lot of posts on here about "game" and all. You're going to have to chat them up, and truly, most chicks decide in just a few minutes whether they would fuck you. You'll see the interest right away or you will recognize there's not any. If there's none there, then NEXT.

Thanks mate. I don't drink (maybe I should start, LOL), so bars are not on my radar at the moment. Girl-next-door types like the smoldering hot chick a couple of tables away sitting by herself at a Starbucks or a restaurant, or the cute cashier at McD's are more my cup of tea. Any pointers on how to open civvies in these situations and gauge whether they're SB material?

[FarFarAway]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.

[RogerOver]

Here's a tip for places like Hooters / Twisted Kilt / Etc. Sit at the bar fairly close to where the waitresses have to come to pick up the order drinks at their tables. They typically have to stand there for awhile waiting and that's your chance to either make conversation or if its a place you go often, get recognized.

What opener do you use, without getting slapped?

I posted this a while back in a SB forum in my home city:

I travel quite a bit, and when I eat dinner it's usually at the bar. I do this because I get faster service and about 25% of the time there's a decent looking bartender or a young hottie sitting there too. This leads me to last night:

I was chatting up a hot blonde bartender and of course starting discussing relationships. As soon as I started talking about how travel kept me from having girlfriends AND that I liked younger chicks, she immediately asked if I was a sugar daddy. Not doing the blow by blow, but you can probably see where the conversation went from there.

This has happened to me a few times. It's really that easy to get a civvie chick that isn't a full-on escort outside of SA. There just isn't any stigma attached to it anymore.

I see a lot of posts on here about "game" and all. You're going to have to chat them up, and truly, most chicks decide in just a few minutes whether they would fuck you. You'll see the interest right away or you will recognize there's not any. If there's none there, then NEXT.

[Bummm]

What opener do you use, without getting slapped?

If it is a bar / restaurant that has those small packets of sugar, just write your number on the packet and hand it to the girl w / your tip. Girls in the know are aware of what you are doing. You can tell her I have more sugar for you if you want to meet up / hang out / hook up or whatever way you say it.

[Assaholic]

Waitresses / Bartenders.

Target.

Gym desk attendants.

Hotel front desk workers (or any kind of front desk worker really).

Barista.

I've had success over the past 6 years with all of the above and with consistency.

What opener do you use, without getting slapped?

[JustLonely]

If anyone has met with her, please PM me. That's all the info I am posting in public here. Anyone who has will know why I am asking about her. Unfortunately some of my past post about SA girls have gotten back to them more than once.

[FarFarAway]

Waitresses / Bartenders.

Target.

Gym desk attendants.

Hotel front desk workers (or any kind of front desk worker really).

Barista.

I've had success over the past 6 years with all of the above and with consistency.

Repeating some advice I saw on this thread some time ago, this is likely an activity best left to those who are single. W / an SO, it is hazardous to be hooking up w / girls this way, or really anyplace but the sites that give us our anonymity. I have certainly thought about this many times, from the girl at a mall kiosk who gives me the eye as I walk by, to the hottie in front of me in line at the bank. I have thought about getting business cards printed up ($10 from VistaPrint) w / all my SD fake identity and contact info, but haven't pulled the trigger. Obviously, fake business cards would be evidence I wouldn't want my SO to see.

[BookerTNelson]

The advantage of SA is that because a girl has joined the site she has already indicated she is willing to consider being intimate with older man, wants financial support and is available.

Being able to meet attractive young women is not so difficult at restaurants, bars, clubs and strip clubs that cater to men and older men. It can take a lot of work, and not always easy, to figure out if they'd be open to " dating" an older man.

I've had good luck at strip clubs, but that environment is good for flirting and getting to know someone over the course of multiple visits. Not as easy at places like hooters, twin peaks or twisted kilt where it's not as easy to approach a server that's not assigned to you.

I've civi dated several strippers that I've met from clubs. I've dated college athletes, cheerleaders, waitresses, bartenders, fitness / yoga instructors, models and the like all off SA. I'm not sure how else I would have met them of not for SA.

I'm curious about others experiences, techniques and spots to do so.

Here's a tip for places like Hooters / Twisted Kilt / Etc. Sit at the bar fairly close to where the waitresses have to come to pick up the order drinks at their tables. They typically have to stand there for awhile waiting and that's your chance to either make conversation or if its a place you go often, get recognized.

[BookerTNelson]

I think he has a good point, and honestly I would rather do the in person thing. Do any of you know any good spots to try? "service industries" is kind of vague, but if anyone has any ideas on specific spots for me to hit up, I am happy to try them out and report back! I am still pretty new to Richmond, so I wouldn't know the first thing about where to go to find potential SB's here. If this were Austin, where I used to live, this would be another story!

Waitresses / Bartenders.

Target.

Gym desk attendants.

Hotel front desk workers (or any kind of front desk worker really).

Barista.

I've had success over the past 6 years with all of the above and with consistency.