"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Madaboutmax** · 09-03-18 23:50

What in the world are you trying to say? I don't understand your words. -. -. -. -or how you put them together.

Originally Posted by TheMarto1 [View Original Post]

Prost. Always be an open market there is no prices they can ask whatever they want the sky is the limit and there is the clients to make her dreams come true here SD posting that they give 2000 for allowance they probably transfer the money by supposedly no untraking vias because they don't take cash because they think are not hos or escorts they are spicial people that came to this world to share her companionship for as minimum 2 k with out meet up just for messing or texting out I remember this game was like having a clean lady come over to clean the house like once a week and get paid same day or in the end of the month I don't know any that you paying in advance for the whole month here this ho making her way out askong for 5 k for her service no necessity give pussy out just platonic companionship and you must be like she likes and folling her 100 rules.

**TwoDirection** · 09-03-18 23:22

Originally Posted by Zcochran00 [View Original Post]

Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

I think it's just acting like all it takes for her to have sex with you is money, and that all you want to pay for is sex.

In other words, you need to also make her like you and feel that you value her for more than just her body.

**TheMarto1** · 09-03-18 21:34

Prost. Always be an open market there is no prices they can ask whatever they want the sky is the limit and there is the clients to make her dreams come true here SD posting that they give 2000 for allowance they probably transfer the money by supposedly no untraking vias because they don't take cash because they think are not hos or escorts they are spicial people that came to this world to share her companionship for as minimum 2 k with out meet up just for messing or texting out I remember this game was like having a clean lady come over to clean the house like once a week and get paid same day or in the end of the month I don't know any that you paying in advance for the whole month here this ho making her way out askong for 5 k for her service no necessity give pussy out just platonic companionship and you must be like she likes and folling her 100 rules.

**Zcochran00** · 09-03-18 20:24

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

My SB encounters have been similar to the times I've seen escorts, but that's because I'm also generally respectful of all of them. Some of the escort encounters do tend to be a bit more "business-like", I guess, but it's not like I'm a jerk either way. (Then again, maybe that puts me somewhat in the minority.).

And yeah, 150-200 is what I generally aim for. I've done 300 a few times, but it's been rare. Either one-time things when I was traveling, or a girl who _really_ was a lot of fun and deserved it.

**CrazySpice** · 09-03-18 18:05

What are acts makes girl feels like princess or queens. What a typical SD does to make SB feel like princess or queen.

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

**Madaboutmax** · 09-03-18 13:12

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

Originally Posted by Kwagmire [View Original Post]

How much do you leave in her purse when no allowance figure has been set up front?

**GolfMan57** · 09-03-18 12:53

Originally Posted by ProfessorMan [View Original Post]

I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.

Sent you a pm.

**Kwagmire** · 09-03-18 11:06

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception....
No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.

How much do you leave in her purse when no allowance figure has been set up front?

**Professor Man** · 09-03-18 11:04

Originally Posted by ProfessorMan [View Original Post]

I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.

Okay, I am replying to my own post because I just checked in with Happiness and she does not want me to give out any details. That already tells you a lot. She is not a professional and discretion is very important to her. What I can add is that I have seen her several times and we always had a great time together. I would be seeing more of her, but she lives in Richmond and I live in Charlottesville and neither one of us likes to drive much. I can also say that I was pleasantly surprised when I first met her in person. Her SA pictures do not do her justice IMHO. I thought she was much nicer looking in person. She has a very nice figure and keeps herself in shape. I will also say she has a great personality. She is very sweet and very southern and playful and very pleasant to be with. She very much does want to meet another nice man, because she does need the help (another good sign if you have some leverage there) and I am not able to provide enough (due to time, distance, and my own budget). She has always been very kind to me, even when turning down her occasional requests for extra assistance. I highly recommend her. As always, YMMV, so be nice to her if you want her to be nice to you. Good luck.

**Bowtie** · 09-03-18 08:22

I use your basic strategy, however I have struggled getting it across smoothly. Ill use some of your comments if you don't mind. I have followed the Richmond board for many years. Early posts were very informative, I suggest all SD's read them. This was informative, than you!

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

I understand many girls don't like the transactional feel of pay per visit, but I explain it's the only fair way to start until we are both confident we want to continue and build trust. I've had a few long term arrangements that evolved into weekly or bi-weekly allowances but only after I was confident we both had a genuine connection and I could trust them.

I further explain that I've heard of girls that have dated wirh the promise of an allowance later that never happened and guys that paid upfront only to have the girl disappear. It happens on both sides.

I also wouldn't want to be obligated to repeat if either one of us didn't feel it. Its not worth it to me. I explain my goal is an ongoing arrangement. I pay an allowance per meet in line with monthly expectations based on expected number of meets without any commitment. It's like dating with the intention of marriage, you don't make that commitment before the first date. Things have to naturally evolve.

I also won't discuss specifics of an allowance before we meet and have never discussed allowance with many girls.

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception. I usually filter out GPS girls much earlier in the process. The interesting part, is that the ones that complained were usually the worst dates. Higher expectations rareley correlates with better experiences.

No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.

**JustLonely** · 09-03-18 08:14

The allowance conversation comes up regularly on here. I am just going to note that this year I seem to get more asking right away what kind of arrangement I have had before. Most of those soon ask how much or what was the most I "helped" per month.

The good thing is that it opens the door for me to say that I don't discuss amounts until we meet. Since I have FWB as a tag, sometimes I tell them the money doesn't start until we get intimate. Of course that weeds out a lot right then. I don't have the time and patience to wait them out anymore.

With all the GPS, platonic and "respectful" out there, it makes it more a numbers game weeding them out. Don't get me started on pic sellers!

**Professor Man** · 09-03-18 07:52

Originally Posted by GolfMan57 [View Original Post]

I have been talking to this one. Does anyone have anyone have experience with her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b75de...2-9063cd41022e

I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.

**Madaboutmax** · 09-03-18 06:49

I understand many girls don't like the transactional feel of pay per visit, but I explain it's the only fair way to start until we are both confident we want to continue and build trust. I've had a few long term arrangements that evolved into weekly or bi-weekly allowances but only after I was confident we both had a genuine connection and I could trust them.

I further explain that I've heard of girls that have dated wirh the promise of an allowance later that never happened and guys that paid upfront only to have the girl disappear. It happens on both sides.

I also wouldn't want to be obligated to repeat if either one of us didn't feel it. Its not worth it to me. I explain my goal is an ongoing arrangement. I pay an allowance per meet in line with monthly expectations based on expected number of meets without any commitment. It's like dating with the intention of marriage, you don't make that commitment before the first date. Things have to naturally evolve.

I also won't discuss specifics of an allowance before we meet and have never discussed allowance with many girls.

I just leave an allowance in their purse or pocket when the date ends. I've had a couple girls complain about the amount after the fact, but that has been the exception. I usually filter out GPS girls much earlier in the process. The interesting part, is that the ones that complained were usually the worst dates. Higher expectations rareley correlates with better experiences.

No girl that meets MY definition of an SB has ever had a problem with this approach.

Originally Posted by UKnowWho [View Original Post]

Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.

**GolfMan57** · 09-02-18 23:33

I have been talking to this one. Does anyone have anyone have experience with her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b75de...2-9063cd41022e

**CrazySpice** · 09-02-18 23:17

That's wise arrangement. In your experience she missed half of the agreed appointsments means you lost roughly half amount. On average your per visit looks like 200-250 which is roughly 50 per hour of her time. That's a good bang for bucks.

Originally Posted by UKnowWho [View Original Post]

Neither, actually. I give money each visit, though some don't like that because it feels too much like prostitution to them. But telling (and showing) her that the money isn't conditional on sex helps. And I guarantee her the monthly total unless she misses visits. That is, if I have to miss (which never happens), I'll still give her the money, but if she misses, no money. And I tell her we'll switch to monthly prepay if I fail to live up to that, since I know I won't.

I have had two who insisted on prepay and I decided were worth the risk. I prepaid one for two weeks, and the other was for a month. Neither ghosted me, but both missed about half of the agreed number of visits. I insisted on switching to money each visit after that. In both instances, they agreed, and everything was fine from then on.