"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Ernest Ll]

You do prepay before visits occurred? Or post pay after visits occurred? How do you determine she is trust worthy if you do prepay. In my experience a pot took 5 oo for weekly arrangement and gone silent.

All depends on where you are in the lifecycle. First meetings, pay upon delivery of services. Usually as she is leaving (I have a friend in Retail who slides me a box of the Estee Lauder "Gift with PUrchase" from the beauty department -- I slide the cash inside the little carrying case and most women just love the idea of a gift with hidden cash vs sweaty wad of cash making them feel like a *****.

I have a long running arrangement with a very vague running tally. She needed some car repairs and a few medical bills over the months. So I rarely gave her any cash when we met, but was usually pre-gifting as she needed and I could afford, plus she booked and paid for hotel room so that was factored in. Have no firm idea where I stand on the tally, but I have a very happy cock and its not affecting my financial state, so I guess I'm in good shape.

I've succesfully bartered some fuck fests -- items at charity auctions are the best, though some of my clients give me freebies -- weekend in DC or NYC, spa days. Restaurants Ill never eat at. For them to use the travel prizes, they have to disclose their true identities so I can book it for them. That involves a level of trust that implies the pay off. Some I've pre-gifted and then boned them all night when I met them. Never had a "pre-paid" bail on me yet. Several like the idea of getting a treat they would never spend money on themselves, but desperately want.

Then there are "expense substitution" gifts. I don't give them cash, but they bring their cable or cell bill and after the first round, I log on and pay it off for them. My last one like this was about to lose her Comcast service -- same as I use at the office -- so I could pay it from my business account and it s a write off -- and no, I checked, there is no track back to my bank info for the SB to see.

[JustLonely]

Wish I found this forum last year.

Been looking to move up from ho (s) to SA since backpage crashed.

Am willing to pay more to get more but running into GPS (out of my range. And doubt have anything to offer for that price).

Or dead fish at the 2 $ range.

This one has not been on site for long time like the permanent babies that are a waster of time.

And has a interesting look. Mix or cauc and oriental.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8138b...2-959eb90e6fee

I know I am new here but not a lot of reviews in the forum, so if that is done private please PM.

Any info if can negotiate into my range or if has decent skills worth it.

I will contribute when I get going.

I'm about 90 percent sure she is someone I saw 18 months ago. Same "I'm too good for you" look. If so she is cold and business like and drives a Prius. For someone new to trying Sugar Babies, I suggest you judge them by how well they reply to your messages. If she doesn't get a little flirty in a few messages between you, she probably won't be in person.

[NeoDude]

Been going back and forth for some time, sent a few sexy pics but 4 $$ is her minimum so far. The pics she sent are much better then those on the profile. If you pull the trigger do update us, I might go for it next week.

Nothing to update.

She went dark on me.

Assume had better plans for long weekend.

[JustLonely]

Anyone care to PM thoughts on her if you have seen her? She cancelled the very minute I drove up to the meeting place. She couldn't get away from home to met up. Been down that road too many times with student SB's on here. She's just 19 unlike what her profile says. Not shy when texting and seems to be wide open for anything. Thanks.

https://www.seeking.com/member/6850d...2-ddeb0eeaad39

[Runnerj]

Wish I found this forum last year.

Been looking to move up from ho (s) to SA since backpage crashed.

Am willing to pay more to get more but running into GPS (out of my range. And doubt have anything to offer for that price).

Or dead fish at the 2 $ range.

This one has not been on site for long time like the permanent babies that are a waster of time.

And has a interesting look. Mix or cauc and oriental.

https://www.seeking.com/member/8138b...2-959eb90e6fee

I know I am new here but not a lot of reviews in the forum, so if that is done private please PM.

Any info if can negotiate into my range or if has decent skills worth it.

I will contribute when I get going.

[BookerTNelson]

Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

My SB encounters have been similar to the times I've seen escorts, but that's because I'm also generally respectful of all of them. Some of the escort encounters do tend to be a bit more "business-like", I guess, but it's not like I'm a jerk either way. (Then again, maybe that puts me somewhat in the minority.).

And yeah, 150-200 is what I generally aim for. I've done 300 a few times, but it's been rare. Either one-time things when I was traveling, or a girl who _really_ was a lot of fun and deserved it.

The women I've seen in the SD / SB environment felt like new age dating. We met for coffee / drinks and discussed what we were looking for and open to, after that we agreed to continue seeing each other. Once that part is out of the way we either are just meeting for drinks and then back to the hotel or just straight to the hotel. My current SB is usually an overnight thing twice a month and we fuck all night and it feels like a FWB. I help her with some odds and ends since she's a student. One of the things we talked about while out for drinks last time was how most dudes her age can't hold a conversation face to face so they only invite her out to fuck or "Netflix and chill" (Which is essentially what we are doing) but she gets to vent a little bit with me and I drop a few life "experience" gems on her while we're together. She also appreciates that I can make her cum so she's become open to sexually experimenting when with me.

With all that said, it goes back to an SB relationship being more than just showing up with a hard dick and exchanging money for an hour of sexual bliss. Honestly, my latest arrangement is working out to be about $5 per hour but she is genuinely enjoying our time together so as she puts it "I was probably going to have a FWB anyway, so why not have my fun and keep my odds and ends taken care of. Oh, and I get to actually cum every time".

[Al Melrose]

What in the world are you trying to say? I don't understand your words. -. -. -. -or how you put them together.

Must have been on his phone. Us old guys suck at texting!

[Madaboutmax]

I think many girls take "Treated like a prostitute" to mean it is only a business transaction -. -. -If you have the funds, they have the goods.

I've found many girls on SA want to feel like they have a choice and want to be pursued and seduced. Many just want to be treated well and feel wanted.

Some people think SBs are no different than prostitutes. The SBs I pursue don't feel they are prostitutes at all. (They may be, but definitely don't think of themselves that way! LOL).

I think it's just acting like all it takes for her to have sex with you is money, and that all you want to pay for is sex.

In other words, you need to also make her like you and feel that you value her for more than just her body.

[Madaboutmax]

What in the world are you trying to say? I don't understand your words. -. -. -. -or how you put them together.

Prost. Always be an open market there is no prices they can ask whatever they want the sky is the limit and there is the clients to make her dreams come true here SD posting that they give 2000 for allowance they probably transfer the money by supposedly no untraking vias because they don't take cash because they think are not hos or escorts they are spicial people that came to this world to share her companionship for as minimum 2 k with out meet up just for messing or texting out I remember this game was like having a clean lady come over to clean the house like once a week and get paid same day or in the end of the month I don't know any that you paying in advance for the whole month here this ho making her way out askong for 5 k for her service no necessity give pussy out just platonic companionship and you must be like she likes and folling her 100 rules.

[TwoDirection]

Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

I think it's just acting like all it takes for her to have sex with you is money, and that all you want to pay for is sex.

In other words, you need to also make her like you and feel that you value her for more than just her body.

[TheMarto1]

Prost. Always be an open market there is no prices they can ask whatever they want the sky is the limit and there is the clients to make her dreams come true here SD posting that they give 2000 for allowance they probably transfer the money by supposedly no untraking vias because they don't take cash because they think are not hos or escorts they are spicial people that came to this world to share her companionship for as minimum 2 k with out meet up just for messing or texting out I remember this game was like having a clean lady come over to clean the house like once a week and get paid same day or in the end of the month I don't know any that you paying in advance for the whole month here this ho making her way out askong for 5 k for her service no necessity give pussy out just platonic companionship and you must be like she likes and folling her 100 rules.

[Zcochran00]

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

Silly question: what is generally meant by "treated like a prostitute", anyway? Demands? Being given money? Language used and attitude?

My SB encounters have been similar to the times I've seen escorts, but that's because I'm also generally respectful of all of them. Some of the escort encounters do tend to be a bit more "business-like", I guess, but it's not like I'm a jerk either way. (Then again, maybe that puts me somewhat in the minority.).

And yeah, 150-200 is what I generally aim for. I've done 300 a few times, but it's been rare. Either one-time things when I was traveling, or a girl who _really_ was a lot of fun and deserved it.

[CrazySpice]

What are acts makes girl feels like princess or queens. What a typical SD does to make SB feel like princess or queen.

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

[Madaboutmax]

I always tell them early on that I'm sure I'm not the biggest spender on the site, but past girls said I was a great combination of attractive, funny, emotionally supportive, financially supportive and a gentleman. I set the expectation of an all around experience and not just dollars. Girls that like my approach are comfortable when I provide 150 to 200 per date.

There are a lot of girls on SA (now S! LOL) that want the money, but are uncomfortable with being treated like a prostitute or being intimate with an older, out of shape, sloppy, rude man. They fantasize about "the most intriguing man in the world" and being treated like a princess. I cater to that fantasy.

I know many of you guys have the "women are bitches" attitude, and I thank you. It really helps make my argument very strong. Lol

How much do you leave in her purse when no allowance figure has been set up front?

[GolfMan57]

I have. But I am relatively new to this forum and not sure of the protocol here. That is to say, I don't know how much I can say or how pm works.

Sent you a pm.