Law Enforcement in California (Providers Read)

[hotwings]

I don't see why states that are so willing to legalize marijuana can't also do so for prostitution. Require them to be licensed so that the State gets its cut, but stop the hypocrisy that every girl out there is a victim of human trafficking.

My guess as to why there is so much LE is because women voters feel that it's competition for the institution of marriage. Its legal in most parts of Europe but I don't think the women are as insecure as the women in the US. Some people see marriage in the US as security and prostitution undermines that fact if sex is readily available because there is competition for men. If women realize that a marriage is a relationship which is based on long term companionship which includes physical closeness not just security or social acceptability, then the US might become more enlightened.

[Marlowe]

Can we just be like Mexico and have red light districts?? SMH.

I don't see why states that are so willing to legalize marijuana can't also do so for prostitution. Require them to be licensed so that the State gets its cut, but stop the hypocrisy that every girl out there is a victim of human trafficking.

[WhoreMaster 91]

LE has been conducting their annual winter human trafficking crackdown in socal recently. So if any of you are cruising in Socal use due caution. !!

Can we just be like Mexico and have red light districts?? SMH.

[MongerSeeker]

LE has been conducting their annual winter human trafficking crackdown in socal recently. So if any of you are cruising in Socal use due caution. !!

[MongerSeeker]

There has not been a much news about human trafficking lately. But I would not be surprised if we see more news within the next few months or the beginning of next year. So just keep your guard up and be aware.

[The Camel]

This is a great thread. People need to understand the law. The only way for the PEOPLE to get back power from the cops and prosecutors is through the process of JURY NULLIFICATION.

The final and most important decision making body is a Jury of your peers. However since most people don't understand how to be a Juror, they simply listen to the bullshit from the district attorney and the judge, get pushed around and by default they return a guilty verdict.

A jury has the right to judge the validity of the law as well as whether or not the Defendant is guilty of breaking the law. In other words, the Jury can vote NOT GUILTY regardless of the evidence or even regardless of whatever law is in the Statutes. The is the RIGHT of any jury. Get the word out, if given the chance, go ahead and serve on a jury. Keep your mouth SHUT about what you feel regarding the so called illegality of prostitution, get on the jury, and vote NOT GUILTY if its a prostitution or drug case. The damn cops have too much power, but a jury has the final word, REGARDLESS of these old fashioned bullshit laws that are still on the books after many centuries.

Try your best to get on the jury and do this. Doing so will result in a Hung Jury, and the cops will have to either do the whole trial again at great inconvenience, or DISMISS the charges.

In other words, I as a monger will watch your back. If you as a monger or provider is facing criminal charges, I will sit in the jury box, keep my mouth SHUT, and at the end of the trial i will vote NOT GUILTY no matter how tough the asshole judges or prosecutors talk and bully the American citizen around, I will say Not Guilty.

JURY NULLIFICATION is the most important thing in the world right now.

Please read up on it. Watch some youtube videos on it. And DO IT. Get the word out too.

Thanks folks.

As a veteran monger I certainly detest prostitution laws between consenting parties and did long before I had any notion that I might one day engage in P4 P, BUT FOR THE RECORD as they say in open court, I do not agree that there is a RIGHT to jury nullification, but juries certainly have the POWER to in effect nullify a prosecution that is otherwise valid under the law and the facts of the case. RIGHT v. POWER seems like a technicality but they are 2 different things. If jurors had such a right they wouldn't have to keep their mouths shut about what they are doing through the process as Slappy Salami wisely advises they do.

Jurors take an oath, and open nullification is contrary to that oath. Plus if a juror is questioned in jury selection by a prosecutor or judge as to opinions about prosecuting crimes of prostitution and the prospective juror lies that he will uphold the law if the facts of the case make out a crime, the juror could potentially be found in contempt of court or charged with perjury. Obviously if he tells the truth he will be lawfully excused from the jury so he has no RIGHT (though I realize the nullification fanatics will argue that he has the right but it is being stomped on by the Court). So great if you can keep your mouth shut but you may be placed in a position before you sit on a jury where you will be required to truthfully disclose your attitudes. Similar to jurors who oppose the death penalty not being permitted to sit on juries in capital homicide cases.

But as a practical matter, why don't we hear about cases like this applicable to prostitution cases, at least locally in SoCal? Well, its because it is way beyond rare that a prostitution misdemeanor (for the mongers and hookers who don't have a long rap sheet of priors) will ever be tried by a jury. 99.999% of "monger" cases will either be dismissed because the system is too congested to deal with them, or result in plea bargains to a lesser charge. And there aren't many lesser criminal offenses than a simple charge tossed at a monger for solicitation unless the hooker turns out to be underage. No defense lawyer worth a damn will advise a knowingly guilty monger client to place his fate in the hands of a jury based on having confidence that one of the jurors will hang the jury when his client can walk away with a small fine for a lesser offense and even expunge the misdemeanor from his record at a later date.

[OhMY08]

This is a great thread. People need to understand the law. The only way for the PEOPLE to get back power from the cops and prosecutors is through the process of JURY NULLIFICATION.

The final and most important decision making body is a Jury of your peers. However since most people don't understand how to be a Juror, they simply listen to the bullshit from the district attorney and the judge, get pushed around and by default they return a guilty verdict.

A jury has the right to judge the validity of the law as well as whether or not the Defendant is guilty of breaking the law. In other words, the Jury can vote NOT GUILTY regardless of the evidence or even regardless of whatever law is in the Statutes. The is the RIGHT of any jury. Get the word out, if given the chance, go ahead and serve on a jury. Keep your mouth SHUT about what you feel regarding the so called illegality of prostitution, get on the jury, and vote NOT GUILTY if its a prostitution or drug case. The damn cops have too much power, but a jury has the final word, REGARDLESS of these old fashioned bullshit laws that are still on the books after many centuries.

Try your best to get on the jury and do this. Doing so will result in a Hung Jury, and the cops will have to either do the whole trial again at great inconvenience, or DISMISS the charges.

In other words, I as a monger will watch your back. If you as a monger or provider is facing criminal charges, I will sit in the jury box, keep my mouth SHUT, and at the end of the trial i will vote NOT GUILTY no matter how tough the asshole judges or prosecutors talk and bully the American citizen around, I will say Not Guilty.

JURY NULLIFICATION is the most important thing in the world right now.

Please read up on it. Watch some youtube videos on it. And DO IT. Get the word out too.

Thanks folks.

Power, BACK, to the people!

I'm in!

[CGFitness]

This is a great thread. People need to understand the law. The only way for the PEOPLE to get back power from the cops and prosecutors is through the process of JURY NULLIFICATION.

The final and most important decision making body is a Jury of your peers. However since most people don't understand how to be a Juror, they simply listen to the bullshit from the district attorney and the judge, get pushed around and by default they return a guilty verdict.

A jury has the right to judge the validity of the law as well as whether or not the Defendant is guilty of breaking the law. In other words, the Jury can vote NOT GUILTY regardless of the evidence or even regardless of whatever law is in the Statutes. The is the RIGHT of any jury. Get the word out, if given the chance, go ahead and serve on a jury. Keep your mouth SHUT about what you feel regarding the so called illegality of prostitution, get on the jury, and vote NOT GUILTY if its a prostitution or drug case. The damn cops have too much power, but a jury has the final word, REGARDLESS of these old fashioned bullshit laws that are still on the books after many centuries.

Try your best to get on the jury and do this. Doing so will result in a Hung Jury, and the cops will have to either do the whole trial again at great inconvenience, or DISMISS the charges.

In other words, I as a monger will watch your back. If you as a monger or provider is facing criminal charges, I will sit in the jury box, keep my mouth SHUT, and at the end of the trial i will vote NOT GUILTY no matter how tough the asshole judges or prosecutors talk and bully the American citizen around, I will say Not Guilty.

JURY NULLIFICATION is the most important thing in the world right now.

Please read up on it. Watch some youtube videos on it. And DO IT. Get the word out too.

Thanks folks.

Great idea. I second this!

[SlappySalami]

This is a great thread. People need to understand the law. The only way for the PEOPLE to get back power from the cops and prosecutors is through the process of JURY NULLIFICATION.

The final and most important decision making body is a Jury of your peers. However since most people don't understand how to be a Juror, they simply listen to the bullshit from the district attorney and the judge, get pushed around and by default they return a guilty verdict.

A jury has the right to judge the validity of the law as well as whether or not the Defendant is guilty of breaking the law. In other words, the Jury can vote NOT GUILTY regardless of the evidence or even regardless of whatever law is in the Statutes. The is the RIGHT of any jury. Get the word out, if given the chance, go ahead and serve on a jury. Keep your mouth SHUT about what you feel regarding the so called illegality of prostitution, get on the jury, and vote NOT GUILTY if its a prostitution or drug case. The damn cops have too much power, but a jury has the final word, REGARDLESS of these old fashioned bullshit laws that are still on the books after many centuries.

Try your best to get on the jury and do this. Doing so will result in a Hung Jury, and the cops will have to either do the whole trial again at great inconvenience, or DISMISS the charges.

In other words, I as a monger will watch your back. If you as a monger or provider is facing criminal charges, I will sit in the jury box, keep my mouth SHUT, and at the end of the trial i will vote NOT GUILTY no matter how tough the asshole judges or prosecutors talk and bully the American citizen around, I will say Not Guilty.

JURY NULLIFICATION is the most important thing in the world right now.

Please read up on it. Watch some youtube videos on it. And DO IT. Get the word out too.

Thanks folks.

[Hargow20]

Warning. !!

LE has been stepping up enforcement in Socal in the past week or so. There has been reports of increased LE presence SD, LA, OC and Pomona areas. I cruising in National City and 3 Patrol cars on Main st there. This is fairly unusual for this area. Much of this is probably due to the recent "Operation Cross Country" human trafficking operation. So everyone should use due caution. !

[Magikal Massag]

The FAQ has good tips. But the best tip is do not discuss anything while she / both of you are outside the vehicle. Police as a rule of thumb do not enter the vehicle unless doing drug stings and then only in major cases.

Not a rule but usually correct. Her room if you do not know her can be a sting. Again if she won't take a ride don't talk about sex and play dumb or lost. Line up your spot before not after. Have a room ready ir be ready to pay yourself I hate her room style I know of cars being stolen or more.

Do a safety check of your vehicle before you cruise to avoid mechanical pull overs. Do not cruise more than a couple times in a day to avoid being known. Never stop on main drags if possible. Try to stop at a place and pull over check your tires near her then offer her a ride. Carry a tire gusts it looks better.

Carry 2a wallets 1 real the other a drop wallet she sees and stuff it with fake cards and maybe monopoly money or a bunch of ones only with the amount you will pay no more. If robbed give it up. Use a cheap way h not a good one. There are many more things like not rubbernecking or sudden lane changes.

If you see a prosper and are wrong lane or position go and drive respectfully no sudden stops or changes then go back. Better to miss one then draw attention to yourself.

If possible cruise alleys near as well as side streets looking for hidden LE. Some LE have lots where they keep vehicles by day before stings. If possible learn where these lots are and get a look at them before cruising. It seems alot but treat this as a chess game and you may be a pawn lost or a King protected. But reconstruction can save you trouble. I have at times went to a local store known frequented by ladies and bought a burger or meal nearby (receipt in hand) then sat there and ate highly visible but eying preosective candy and sometime eating my candy also.

Now play chess and be safe people.

[Hargow20]

One way to avoid getting busted in a sting is to offer the girl a ride if you uncertain if she is cop. If someone is simply offering a girl a ride then this is a defensible argument in court. There is case law that supports this.

[Defense Lawyer]

I have never said that 647b is a registerable sex offense.

You said Lewd conduct was, it is not a registerable offense either.

[SoCalMonger]

I have never said that 647b is a registerable sex offense.

[Misfit]

SoCalMonger is a joke. I would never, ever take advice from him. Better off taking the advice of UC Vice posing as a regular member.

Misfit