"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Kwagmire** · 05-27-18 17:52

Hey guys, been thinking about getting into the SA game in my area again — tried a while ago to limited success (lots of GPS) but with the change in climate maybe I need to give it a go again.

Been reading your "Highlights" thread and TONS of great info there, but much of it is from 2012 - 2014. Has the SA game changed through the years for you all, and if so, how (and how do you approach it these days to efficiently get girls to the FC at a reasonable rate)?

Kwag.

**IbDaddy** · 05-27-18 14:50

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;3805872]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...2-eae3c90bf4ed

**CantWinLosin** · 05-27-18 14:10

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...2-eae3c90bf4ed

We've exchanged msgs. She seems legit, pretty up-front about her situation and expectations, but gut says something's not quite right, can't figure it out, so looking for other input. What am I missing?

**CantWinLosin** · 05-27-18 13:19

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...5-8ae6db0a6614

REally full of her self -- off the wall elitist views, but says she will get private for $300.

Demands to know your real life identiy before agreeing to meet, then wants the $300 cash when you first meet, regardless if anything happens after.

Hard pass.

Plus she's not local. Said she lives an hour and 20 minutes from RIC.

**FarFarAway** · 05-27-18 12:50

Originally Posted by BikeRider [View Original Post]

You can use hangouts. google.com with your GV number as well. It's a slightly nicer interface IMHO.

I can't speak to Epic, but I roll my own VPN with Digital Ocean. Even with a US address, I get blocked by sites that are afraid of being scraped such as Hotel, CL, etc.

So nice to hear from some old bowl buddies again after this pause, like BikeRider.

Another topic of recent interest for me: girls who use phrases like 'don't waste (or "waist" - jeez!) my time'. I was once advised by a bowl mentor out west here that he avoided profiles that have any negativity at all in them. You sometimes see these statements, and to me they are code for GPS. Just like 'I know my worth'. I have gotten into sugar negotiations w / girls in messaging, and when they get pissed off with my offer, I see the 'don't waste my time' comment.

I just have a sense this is related mostly to the $ and not to some of our frustrations on here about time-wasters, such as young ones who are on SA and message, but can never screw up the courage to actually meet.

**FarFarAway** · 05-27-18 12:44

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I am here to sing the praises of this.

I am using the Epic browser, which has it's own built-in VPN, to keep a little more under the radar. You can't really use Tor w / the gmail account, they want to authenticate your device every time (since the login comes from a different IP address).

Are you having any issues with sites shutting you down because Epic is showing that you are in Russia?

I want to use that browser more but that has been an issue for me.

A2

Dear Mr. Admin Sir. I have not had an issue with that. The sites I use it with are SA, gmail, and hushmail. I was under the impression that its VPN exit point was Santa Clara, CA. That has shown up a time or two, anyway.

Thanks

**BikeRider** · 05-27-18 10:42

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I am here to sing the praises of this. I use it on my Android burner phone. That gives me a Google account along w / the GV number. I noted that on the phone I was seeing that texts were on the Voice app, and separately as if they were emails coming into the address I set up. I logged into that gmail account on my computer, and there they were. Even better, within the 'email' is a little Google Voice icon. Click it and a window opens that shows all text conversations just like they would be on your phone, including any photos. If you like to get the photos you've been sent off your phone, this is a dead easy way.

This also works particularly well for me as I have a SO. I *never* have my burner in my house, the closest it ever gets is inside a first aid kit in my trunk. This was impeding my communicating w / SBs, obviously, when at home. It is not considered unusual by the SO that I am on my computer, though. So, I can simply log into that Gmail and I have texting capability. I don't use the texts I bought on my prepaid Tracfone, GV is considered a web service, so I just have to have sufficient megabytes.

I am using the Epic browser, which has it's own built-in VPN, to keep a little more under the radar. You can't really use Tor w / the gmail account, they want to authenticate your device every time (since the login comes from a different IP address).

Are you having any issues with sites shutting you down because Epic is showing that you are in Russia?

I want to use that browser more but that has been an issue for me.

A2

You can use hangouts. google.com with your GV number as well. It's a slightly nicer interface IMHO.

I can't speak to Epic, but I roll my own VPN with Digital Ocean. Even with a US address, I get blocked by sites that are afraid of being scraped such as Hotel, CL, etc.

**FarFarAway** · 05-26-18 15:11

I am here to sing the praises of this. I use it on my Android burner phone. That gives me a Google account along w / the GV number. I noted that on the phone I was seeing that texts were on the Voice app, and separately as if they were emails coming into the address I set up. I logged into that gmail account on my computer, and there they were. Even better, within the 'email' is a little Google Voice icon. Click it and a window opens that shows all text conversations just like they would be on your phone, including any photos. If you like to get the photos you've been sent off your phone, this is a dead easy way.

This also works particularly well for me as I have a SO. I *never* have my burner in my house, the closest it ever gets is inside a first aid kit in my trunk. This was impeding my communicating w / SBs, obviously, when at home. It is not considered unusual by the SO that I am on my computer, though. So, I can simply log into that Gmail and I have texting capability. I don't use the texts I bought on my prepaid Tracfone, GV is considered a web service, so I just have to have sufficient megabytes.

I am using the Epic browser, which has it's own built-in VPN, to keep a little more under the radar. You can't really use Tor w / the gmail account, they want to authenticate your device every time (since the login comes from a different IP address).

Are you having any issues with sites shutting you down because Epic is showing that you are in Russia?

I want to use that browser more but that has been an issue for me.

A2

**Ernest Ll** · 05-26-18 14:38

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...5-8ae6db0a6614

REally full of her self -- off the wall elitist views, but says she will get private for $300.

Demands to know your real life identiy before agreeing to meet, then wants the $300 cash when you first meet, regardless if anything happens after.

Hard pass.

**Beachesnole02** · 05-25-18 09:41

Originally Posted by FruitNinja [View Original Post]

I wonder where the guys doing "Backroom Casting" movies get their talent? There's a lot that I would definitely be interested. I like a simple girl next door look.

Used to be Craigslist. They ran regular ads in the talent section in my area. Up until recent events changed that. Good question is where do they go next for recruiting.

**FruitNinja** · 05-25-18 01:06

I wonder where the guys doing "Backroom Casting" movies get their talent? There's a lot that I would definitely be interested. I like a simple girl next door look.

**Cephlapod Love** · 05-21-18 22:41

Originally Posted by Madaboutmax [View Original Post]

Given all the latest focus on FOSTA and the like, SA may be forced to thin out profiles treating SA as another version of Backpage.

Have you had "Pay for Play" discussions on the site?

EXACTLY! If one looks at the "new" video Mr Wade put up since FOSTA-SESTA started gaining momentum, he states that they are being vigilent about anyone using the site for P2 P, they are NOT welcome and should be reported and will be BANNED!

In light of the new law in the USA, this move is predictable. SA is too visible and out there, and Wade an idiot promoter, so much so that I am sure he has a target on his back. So he needs to take whatever steps he can to try to claim there is no P2 P on his site and that they are actively removing accounts that do try to use his site for P2 P. Look the law makes it a crime for anyone to provide an electronic place where another person is prostituted. Language is WAY too broad and open and the fact that "victims" can now sure and collect damages from the websites has had a chilling effect on any number of sites!

Everyone knows what is going on there at SA, but it has to be UTR so Wade can stay in business. So the best move going forward is to take the conversation to offsite email or text as soon as possible. DO NOT talk about a fee for an arrangement and then turn around and talk about sex! Offering sex for money or something of value is ILLEGAL in all 50 states, except for a few select counties in NV (Las Vegas is NOT in one of those counties!) So IF one's past conversations have crossed these lines, then I am sure that the new surveillance SA has in effect is banning accounts!

One problem I see, is that IF one pizzes off a girl, she can report your profile and provide proof that you were asking for P2 P and one might get banned.

So good luck. Get an new monger phone number, email addy, pre-paid CC, new photos, new screen name / alias and try again!

**Madaboutmax** · 05-21-18 22:20

Given all the latest focus on FOSTA and the like, SA may be forced to thin out profiles treating SA as another version of Backpage.

Have you had "Pay for Play" discussions on the site?

Originally Posted by DoubtingTom [View Original Post]

What do you make of this?

I received this email from SAasset when I tried to log in and it said my account has been banned:

"you have violated SeekingArrangement's Terms of Service too many times and has been permanently banned.

You have committed this violation too many times, and as a result, your account has been permanently banned from SeekingArrangement.com. ".

When I emailed their Customer Support, this is what they said:

"Hi there,

I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Unfortunately, we have permanently removed your account and we are unable to reinstate it. We are also unable to reply to you again or disclose further details. Please read our FAQs for further information.

Your payment has been refunded at this time and you should see the credit within 5-10 business days.

You have been permanently banned from SeekingArrangement and are not allowed to access the website again. Future attempts to access the site will be considered a violation of our Terms of Use.

Let me know if you need anything else!

Best,

Sasha.

SeekingArrangement Support".

**DoubtingTom** · 05-21-18 21:30

What do you make of this?

I received this email from SA when I tried to log in and it said my account has been banned:

"you have violated SeekingArrangement's Terms of Service too many times and has been permanently banned.

You have committed this violation too many times, and as a result, your account has been permanently banned from SeekingArrangement.com. ".

When I emailed their Customer Support, this is what they said:

"Hi there,

I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Unfortunately, we have permanently removed your account and we are unable to reinstate it. We are also unable to reply to you again or disclose further details. Please read our FAQs for further information.

Your payment has been refunded at this time and you should see the credit within 5-10 business days.

You have been permanently banned from SeekingArrangement and are not allowed to access the website again. Future attempts to access the site will be considered a violation of our Terms of Use.

Let me know if you need anything else!

Best,

Sasha.

SeekingArrangement Support".

**Madaboutmax** · 05-20-18 19:19

Originally Posted by CavalierHoo [View Original Post]

Because if he can afford $6000 for an SB, then it is much cheaper on his scale than a wife or gf without the hassle.

Don't give up too quickly. I've had a few similar situations. One time the girl contacted me again saying the guy never came thru with his side of the arrangement and another returned after the guy gave up after a month. Guys can promise a lot, but delivering us different.