Safe Sex Information and Advice

[OriginalSin]

FYI. The condom is more to protect the woman than the guy. Trojan doesn't give a $hit about men, LOL, as with American society in general. We have been fed a line of BS for years and I am tired of it.

https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/stds-y...ring-a-condom/

Finally! Someone who get's it! The only guarantee is abstinence!

[VMakel]

FYI. The condom is more to protect the woman than the guy. Trojan doesn't give a $hit about men, LOL, as with American society in general. We have been fed a line of BS for years and I am tired of it.

https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/stds-y...ring-a-condom/

Now I like BBFS as much as the next guy, but it seems like there's a lot of misinformation flying around, and choosing not to use a condom specifically because you think it doesn't protect you isn't a good idea. Definitely, some infections you can get with or without a condom, but the ones that condoms DO protect against are the ones that you should worry about. The ones that are extremely common / dangerous, mainly chlamydia (extremely common and contagious), gonorrhea (extremely common and contagious), and HIV (extremely dangerous). The infections in that list you can get, sure, but you probably won't with / without a rubber: you can be vaccinated for the dangerous strains of HPV, syphilis is pretty rare now (and you'd see a giant, weeping sore which would be a good indicator to stay away), and when was the last time you heard someone contracting lice / molluscum?

I'm not advocating anyone does or doesn't use a rubber, I just think it's good to know all the facts before you decide.

[Harry Plopper]

Welcome to the board. I see that you are a newbie. I look forward to seeing some great reviews here! Keep us posted on your covered fun.

When I expetience GFE I run like hell! I've been offered BBFS too many times, and that to me is a red flag. DFK, not for me. GFE is what I'm trying to avoid. No emotional strings. Reciprocal. Otherwise, you're only fooling yourself. To each their own I guess.

[Harry Plopper]

FYI. The condom is more to protect the woman than the guy. Trojan doesn't give a $hit about men, LOL, as with American society in general. We have been fed a line of BS for years and I am tired of it.

https://www.stdcheck.com/blog/stds-y...ring-a-condom/

I guess I need to revise all my reviews, never have BBFS, too dangerous. I'd agree with BBBJ, DFK and CFS equals GFE for me. You can always PM the reviewer for details.

OO.

[OliverOil]

We should all agree on certain terminology to clarify. In Miami, GFE was BBBJ and CFS, and Ultra GFE was BBBJ and BBFS. I like your suggestions, but I feel like "not quite GFE" is a little negative and will cause white knights to show up, or even girls to defend themselves in the USA review board. "Not quite GFE? You didn't say that when we were LFK!" We need more positive terms.

I guess I need to revise all my reviews, never have BBFS, too dangerous. I'd agree with BBBJ, DFK and CFS equals GFE for me. You can always PM the reviewer for details.

OO.

[Cephlapod Love]

Hey guys,

I'm not looking for any info on AIDs. I have my opinion on that one. I'm wondering how many of you have or have known someone who ended up with a STD wearing a condom. The info I get online is so confusing. It looks like a condom doesn't fully protect against herpes. Is this really true? I don't just mean if it breaks. I'm married and . Obviously, I'm not one to do anything bareback. I guess I can stick with FBSM and handies. Also, a lot of you are into DATY. Is that not also poor safety?

First I do not understand how one could be confused by online information? Only look at credible scientific sources like the USA Gubmint Center for Disease Control (CDC). That is their job and IF they get something wrong online, Tonnes of people are jumping on them to get it corrected. But hey, look at opinion sites and pseudo-scientific sites and then perhaps one could get conflicting information. CDC Detailed Fact Sheet:

https://www.cdc.gov/std/herpes/stdfa...s-detailed.htm

The reason a condom may not be protective with someone who has herpes is that the lesion or sore or shed site might be outside the vagina, in areas that are contacted by one's own pubic area skin. So unless you wear "lap dance pants" and wear a condom, there are parts of a woman's anatomy that "could" be a viral shed site and thus come in contact with your bare / uncovered skin.

But two things I see in you comment:

1) What is your "opinion" on HIV? The way you said that appears as though one does not believe the facts and has a "belief" of something different. I am NOT criticizing that at all, no everyone is entitled to their own beliefs / opinions. But it suggests a low risk tolerance?

2) You are married and scared to death of taking something home.

Look, decisions on how one plays in this hobby are based on one's personal view of "risk". Be that an irrational fear or an view based on facts. I discussed risk perception here (post #811):

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...291&viewfull=1#post3645291.

So I won't repeat that discussion.

Here is one person's view of the situation:

1. You have to talk to your potential partners about any diseases they might have, when they were last tested and what those tests included. If that is too uncomfortable, skip the sex. I believe that most people are inherently honest and truthful (drug addicts excepted) and most will tell you if they have something. Yeah, sure one might not know, so only those who were tested for whatever one is concerned about.

2. These items from the CDC fact sheet seem pertinent:

Generally, a person can only get HSV-2 infection during genital contact with someone who has a genital HSV-2 infection.

In persons with asymptomatic HSV-2 infections, genital HSV shedding occurs on 10.2% of days, compared to 20.1% of days among those with symptomatic infections.

3. Transmission rates are important, most people think, "it only takes one time" which is absolutely true, but it does not mean that one and only one, or a FIRST contact is going to mean successful transmission. Look atteh info in this post by FooteRoger where he has collected the transmission rates for various STDs. He also includes where he got the information.

#734 http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...369&viewfull=1#post3179369.

He corrected a small error in the HSV numbers here, #737:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...791&viewfull=1#post3180791.

So that shows a transmission rate of 015% or 1/6700 sex acts for Herpes HSV2. Detailed transmission info is tough to find as it is burried deep in Medical studies in scientific journals that are written in medicaleeze. Apparently the transmission rate for oral transmission F2 M BBBJ is LOW but hard to find and not found.

4. Now this should set off purists and make their heads spin, but immediately AFTER sexual contact wash you junk and / or use some other antiseptic. The point is nothing like that is going to 100% prevent infection, but it CAN reduce the risk.

5. What is one's risk tolerance? That is the starting point. If one thinks the consequences of action A are too high then take actions that avoid the consequences. So if ones " life would be destroyed if I were to get an STD" then what level of risk is one willing to take? Some illicit sexual fun on the side that breaks wedding vows vs a destroyed life? Only you can make this evaluation.

Good luck!

[BoulderBoy]

Hey guys,

I'm not looking for any info on AIDs. I have my opinion on that one. I'm wondering how many of you have or have known someone who ended up with a STD wearing a condom. The info I get online is so confusing. It looks like a condom doesn't fully protect against herpes. Is this really true? I don't just mean if it breaks. I'm married and my life would be destroyed if I were to get an STD. Obviously, I'm not one to do anything bareback. I guess I can stick with FBSM and handies. Also, a lot of you are into DATY. Is that not also poor safety?

[Cephlapod Love]

I meant to say that I did not see a category for white male (heterosexual contact).

For me personally, I don't care what is the incident rate of, or how many, heterosexual men are living with an HIV infection because I do not plan on having sex with ANY man! But the number of men who have sex with men (MSM) is shown, but relevant to me only in that it shows that a majority of those living with HIV are MSM.

However, from this chair it would appear that my risk for contracting HIV from a sexual partner IS directly related to the number of women that are living with HIV. Because the statistics presented previously show (on a national basis) how many women of various ethnicities are living with an HIV infection, I can gauge my risk of contracting HIV should I play without the benefit of a condom.

That said, those are CDC numbers on a national basis, for me it makes sense to understand the numbers and ethnicities of women in my area, so I have looked up my state's annual HIV / AIDS incident report. Also, in some of the major metropolitan areas, there are Health Departments that produced their own Annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance Reports, so more site specific information maybe available.

Deciphering one's RISK is a bit tricky- it depends on the number of or percentage of people living with HIV, the rate of transmission of HIV from one person to another, the type of sex one engages in and any protective measures one takes. So in general, the statistics show that the number of white women living with HIV is much less than the number of AA women living with HIV, which is greatly less than the number of MSM living with HIV. So I use those numbers as PART of my evaluation of who to engage as a sexual partner.

All fwiw. Everyone perceives risk differently and evaluates data and information differently. I think it makes sense to look at the facts from credible scientific sources (CDC, State Annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance Report) (which shows how many or the percentages of people, by category, who are living with HIV) as part of my risk evaluation process.

Of course one can pretty much manage their risk to negligible numbers by using a condom with every act of penetrative sex.

[Aegean45]

By the way, I've used https://www.talenttestingservice.com/ in the past and it's pretty easy. There are many draw locations in my area and they overnight the samples down to Southern California. If you're shooting porn, they are one of the labs that you have to go through.

Be safe out there.

[Aegean45]

Not sure what you are asking. The last two bars on the bottom of that bar chart are indeed for white and Hispanic women for heterosexual contact.

If you wish to know the risk in your area it is best to look at you state's annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance report. That should have specific statistics on women and race. Tell me what state that is and I'll take a look for you.

I meant to say that I did not see a category for white male (heterosexual contact).

[Cephlapod Love]

Thanks for the post. Interesting. I didn't see any statistics for white, Hispanic or other heterosexual contact.

Not sure what you are asking. The last two bars on the bottom of that bar chart are indeed for white and Hispanic women for heterosexual contact.

If you wish to know the risk in your area it is best to look at you state's annual HIV / AIDS Surveillance report. That should have specific statistics on women and race. Tell me what state that is and I'll take a look for you.

[Cephlapod Love]

Always best to be armed with the facts:

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/decreas...ess_risky.html

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/transmi.../oral_sex.html

And remember, you guys should be getting tested as often as us ladies, the recommendation being every 3 months. It is the general consensus that one cannot detect an infection any sooner (ie. Texting every month), unless you are experiencing observable symptoms.

Happy Holidays,

Noelle.

Thanks for sharing those links / statistics on Oral transmission of HIV! Important information that everyone should read and understand. Too many "myths" out there and people posting opinions that are not supported by the facts.

As far as frequency of testing goes, 3-months should catch everyone, but be aware that antigen / antibody tests run by a laboratory can detect HIV as early as 18 days and maybe as late as 45 days. So getting tested via the lab route ever 2-months would be more protective. (see attached).

But also be aware that if one thinks they may have been exposed to HIV, DO NOT WAIT! Go see a doctor, as within 72- hours there is something like a "morning after pill!" It is called PreP. Prep is a cocktail of anti-retrovirus drugs. Taking a course of these drugs can prevent the HIV from taking hold!

[Aegean45]

So. Who is most likely to have HIV?

What are the most risky populations?

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/statistics.html

In the whole USA, in ALL of 2016 only 1032 new cases of HIV infection among white women! That versus 4189 cases in Black Women.

Thanks for the post. Interesting. I didn't see any statistics for white, Hispanic or other heterosexual contact.

[Noelle]

Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!!

Always best to be armed with the facts:

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/decreas...ess_risky.html

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/transmi.../oral_sex.html

And remember, you guys should be getting tested as often as us ladies, the recommendation being every 3 months. It is the general consensus that one cannot detect an infection any sooner (ie. Texting every month), unless you are experiencing observable symptoms.

Happy Holidays,

Noelle.

[MTWilliams911]

Yes Sir there is a ginormous risk with a BBBJ!! See IV drug users are prone to developing canker sores in their mouth which creates opportunity for transmission of HIV and Hepatitis!! So always be careful about who you let do it amd always pay close attention to signs of needle use!!

Also herpes hsv-1 and hsv-2. 1 out of 6 in USA have herpes. Most no symptoms. So do have lesions and pain from it.