The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[ArmyNiceGuy]

Hey gents, so I've kinda thought about taking a dip into the sugar bowl for about 6 months now and for the last few weeks I've been doing some serious research on it. I've read this forum from post 1 and am now working on the Richmond forum. I find the idea of being able to take a smoking hot coed out for a night on the town and an overnight of GFE for about the same cost (allowance, not counting entertainment cost) of an hour with an agency, or even a high-end BP girl, to be quite exciting.

Any how I kinda stumbled on this trick I thought I would share. I've had my SA profile for a couple months (unpaid) and only just recently completed it, only then did the hits, messages, and favorites start coming in. Once completed though, pots could see if I was checking them out too. With all the new girls showing up and all the ones I'm interested in, I can barely keep them all straight, and I don't want to favorite a bunch of them since I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger on the paid membership. In order to surf and lurk stealthily I made a second profile that I have left incomplete. Now I can check out and compare pots as much as I want without them ever getting a hit.

Hope this helps, and thanks to all you brothers for opening my eyes to the sugar bowl.

[Robert1744]

I am going to be very upfront about my marital status. But I am going to play MUCH tighter with my identity. If I practice in totally different city, use Google voice, no last names, etc, I should be able to have some more fun.

Here's a tip on protecting your identity. A couple of years ago, I met a gal on Craigslist. I forgot that the pic I sent her was also on my LinkedIn, so she was able to do an image search and scope me out before I divulged anything. It was fine, she wasn't trying to scam me and was just being curious. But definitely don't ever send anything that stands even a remote chance of pinging back in a web search.

By the same token, I've found that most girls on SA will not want to give any information for the first couple of rounds. But 9 times out of 10, once you get the digits, it's to their real phone tied to their social media. I have gone on M&Gs several times with a wealth of information on the girl I was meeting, including intel about their likes and dislikes that I'd drop to my advantage.

[John HandCock]

Hey ya'll -.

I have dabbled in the SD world with both good and bad experiences, but I've been out of it for about a year and thinking of jumping back in.

As I do that, I am also perusing Secret Benefits in addition to SA. Here's the thing, my SB profile is literally empty. There's no pic, no blurb, nothing. And yet, I get a bunch of messages from various young women initiating contact. Can I surmise that if the SB women are initiating things with nothing to go on, they're a little more experienced in the game, perhaps even semi-pro? When my SA profile was empty at first, this never happened over there. I was curious if there were any general differences between the women on the two sites.

Also, since I last dabbled in the arrangement world, I got married. It's great, but I just can't stop that young pussy. Do any other of you married guys find that listing your marital status hurts your chances or decreases the opportunities? If I do proceed with another arrangement, I am going to pursue it in another town, as I firmly believe you don't shit where you eat.

Any thoughts on doing this stuff while married (apart from judgement and psychoanalysis) would be welcomed. Thanks!

Google the review s on SB. Post your status and the girls who don't see married men won't contact you. Most don't really care if the arrangement is good.

[Tomas247]

Coffee _lover 6.

Sweet, fun to talk to, and cute girl, but she prob won't meet you. I got some nudes out of her tho, and they're 100% legit. I know bc I found her socials. On her twitter, back in 2016, she posts a pic about "scamming sugar daddies," up until the point they want to meet.

If you find a girl's socials, I highly suggest doing a search for "sugar" on their profile. Lots of these girls come from the tum blr landscape I've found, where there's a lot of info about how to scam us.
So just beware what you're getting into.

Edit: I removed the screen cap of that twitter post. If anyone would like to see it, just PM me.

[JMonger]

By the second or third 'message', I always point out the fact that my profile indicates that I'm married. One cared, a couple went silent, the rest indicated that they were good with that, and some also promised discretion. I was pleased to see that several of the girls also indicated they were married (and one was involved with a 'girlfriend') - situations that made me a little more comfortable that they wouldn't turn around and try to blackmail me.

But that last item kept me from going forward with any of the new talent on SA, despite the wonderful pictures. I ended up back at AM, where the women are often less nubile (though often more interesting) - and are just as concerned with keeping everything on the QT as I am. That I don't have to 'buy' them, makes the relationship just that more comfortable for me; not to mention economical.

Hey ya'll -.

I have dabbled in the SD world with both good and bad experiences, but I've been out of it for about a year and thinking of jumping back in.

As I do that, I am also perusing Secret Benefits in addition to SA. Here's the thing, my SB profile is literally empty. There's no pic, no blurb, nothing. And yet, I get a bunch of messages from various young women initiating contact. Can I surmise that if the SB women are initiating things with nothing to go on, they're a little more experienced in the game, perhaps even semi-pro? When my SA profile was empty at first, this never happened over there. I was curious if there were any general differences between the women on the two sites.

Also, since I last dabbled in the arrangement world, I got married. It's great, but I just can't stop that young pussy. Do any other of you married guys find that listing your marital status hurts your chances or decreases the opportunities? If I do proceed with another arrangement, I am going to pursue it in another town, as I firmly believe you don't shit where you eat.

Any thoughts on doing this stuff while married (apart from judgement and psychoanalysis) would be welcomed. Thanks!

[YayaGogo]

I have no experience with Secret Benefits so I can't speak for that. In general though I would just remind you that there are all types on these sites. You'll figure out who is who after a few convos with those that interest you. On SA though there are a lot of legit girls. Because of that some will state in their profiles 'No Married Men' while most others don't care. IMO the selection is so great that you can put it in your profile and just move on if it matters to the girl. Beware though that if you find the wrong type of girl she MAY use that info against you for $. Just use your common sense and you should be fine. Good luck!

Yaya.

...As I do that, I am also perusing Secret Benefits in addition to SA. Here's the thing, my SB profile is literally empty. There's no pic, no blurb, nothing. And yet, I get a bunch of messages from various young women initiating contact. Can I surmise that if the SB women are initiating things with nothing to go on, they're a little more experienced in the game, perhaps even semi-pro? When my SA profile was empty at first, this never happened over there. I was curious if there were any general differences between the women on the two sites.

Also, since I last dabbled in the arrangement world, I got married. It's great, but I just can't stop that young pussy. Do any other of you married guys find that listing your marital status hurts your chances or decreases the opportunities? If I do proceed with another arrangement, I am going to pursue it in another town, as I firmly believe you don't shit where you eat.

Any thoughts on doing this stuff while married (apart from judgement and psychoanalysis) would be welcomed. Thanks!

[Robert1744]

Hey ya'll -.

I have dabbled in the SD world with both good and bad experiences, but I've been out of it for about a year and thinking of jumping back in.

As I do that, I am also perusing Secret Benefits in addition to SA. Here's the thing, my SB profile is literally empty. There's no pic, no blurb, nothing. And yet, I get a bunch of messages from various young women initiating contact. Can I surmise that if the SB women are initiating things with nothing to go on, they're a little more experienced in the game, perhaps even semi-pro? When my SA profile was empty at first, this never happened over there. I was curious if there were any general differences between the women on the two sites.

Also, since I last dabbled in the arrangement world, I got married. It's great, but I just can't stop that young pussy. Do any other of you married guys find that listing your marital status hurts your chances or decreases the opportunities? If I do proceed with another arrangement, I am going to pursue it in another town, as I firmly believe you don't shit where you eat.

Any thoughts on doing this stuff while married (apart from judgement and psychoanalysis) would be welcomed. Thanks!

[SneakyMan]

Couldn't find her info, but she just rejoined. Iamjenny11. Beware.

[SneakyMan]

Ashblueeyes01. Time waster. Had the digits and several messages back and forth, then went silent.

Scam. Jenny something thru SA. Would only communicate thru hangouts, so I go get it. Some nice convo and pics set-up a M&G. Onirmed, then when I'm on my way, she hits me for this hook-up I'd. Legit MeetUp I'd. Info she provides is no help and google is no help, except seems to be a scam.

PM me if you need details, but just be on the lookout. She seemed TGTBT and likely is.

[John HandCock]

I have seen it both ways with arrangements concerning up front disclosure of amount and 'do you low ball or go ahead and pay up'. I struggle with both. I feel I scare some girls off talking amounts and I do not want to pay too much but I also realize what these girls are doing and what I would have to pay up going any other route be it BP or civie.

What I really wanted to comment on was the statement that you could always reduce the amount. I have been doing this for a long time. I don't invest the time or brain power that most guys commenting on here do but I have been around. And I have read the Richmond forum for years before everyone knew about it. In the words of Hollywood 'you can never go back'. Even my long long term sb (we were basically dating in some aspects) that I had a one year pause in hookups wouldn't let it go without comment and bad attitude that I slightly cut the amount.

You can never come down and it work out well.

Yeah HG also if I remember reading correctly had a $ maximum and deducted any expenses that occurred during the date from that $. So if that works then decreasing an arrangement after time can be done, depending on the girl and the relationship. I've done it a couple of times onlong term sb's. Again it depends on the relationship you have. I also depending on the girl pay a higher arrangement for the first meeting (fc) and advise them its a one time deal and if they want to continue then its at a lesser amount. I usually drop it by $ and have around a 75% return rate on that. There are varying strategies, game plans, to this sd / sb game that myself have a hard time believing actually works but there is always exceptions to the rules. I have also used the rule anytime I think this is more than a transaction cut the $$ completely and see if they still stick around.

[SkinJr]

I have seen it both ways with arrangements concerning up front disclosure of amount and 'do you low ball or go ahead and pay up'. I struggle with both. I feel I scare some girls off talking amounts and I do not want to pay too much but I also realize what these girls are doing and what I would have to pay up going any other route be it BP or civie.

What I really wanted to comment on was the statement that you could always reduce the amount. I have been doing this for a long time. I don't invest the time or brain power that most guys commenting on here do but I have been around. And I have read the Richmond forum for years before everyone knew about it. In the words of Hollywood 'you can never go back'. Even my long long term sb (we were basically dating in some aspects) that I had a one year pause in hookups wouldn't let it go without comment and bad attitude that I slightly cut the amount.

You can never come down and it work out well.

I never talk arrangements until the last of the m / g. If we are both in agreement to move forward then every aspect of the arrangement is discussed. We both know what to expect. I find that if this is done then she is not wondering what she gets out of the deal or if she is going to be completely stiffed. To many girls complain about being taken by guys who leave little to nothing at all. I certainly have never worked a job not knowing what I was being paid and doubt very few here would either. I also ask while setting up a m / g that if things go well if she is able to go to the fc afterwards. This gives her a heads up that she might need to allocate more time than just for a m / g. As far as the $$$ goes a true sb definitely deserve more than what you pay a BP girl for an hour. I hear so much about game playing into this but your mutual beneficial arrangement is number 1 on most of their list. They can fuck whoever they want for free, so your personality comes in 2nd in this sport. If things are good between you then later down the road you can decrease your arrangement if she wants to keep seeing you. Girls are learning that promises of something steady are just that. Most guys negotiate with promises of being steady but usually ghost after the first or second meeting. So the girls who are doing this for side money now have learned to up their prices, take the bigger offer, and if he never shows again its no loss. Just some of my thoughts on the subject.

[ManishRaleigh]

Have an M&G with Ashleymashley.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...c-74bc6e5f7e12

Anyone seen her? Any intel is appreciated.

[JMonger]

I'm in the last 24 hours of my subscription and I'm suddenly getting interest (profile views), favorited, and messages from all over the place. Most of them not in my geographic area. Over thirty at this point, and I still have time to go. I'm betting my profile has been put in a prominent position in many women's searches (at best) - or I'm receiving 'interest' from bots (at worst).

It has kept me busy removing all the notices so that I still see the ones of interest.

Just an interesting feature of this website.

[John HandCock]

Let's assume there are four different "places" in the "process" where the POT is asking for $$$ (or more). 1. The SA inbox 2. Your cell phone 3. The M & G 4. The FC. I am a big believer in NOT committing to a dollar amount until after the FC romp, at which time I quietly slip an envelope with a pretty card into her purse. If we had a good time and I intend to repeat I put $$ in the card, if it was not a good time then I put $. 5 in the card. The $. 5 rarely happens bc I typically have qualified the POT prior to the FC.

Now, how do I respond if the POT asks what kind of gift she could expect. If she asks in the SA inbox then I ask her to text me (leverage for the cell number so I can see if the number takes me to her FB). If she asks me in a cell phone message then I respond with "it depends on how much fun we have". I then move the convo to a day and time for the M & G. There needs to be enough finesse in the messaging so that she does not feel like the SD is lame, arrogant or disrespectful, but in fact a guy who sounds like a lot of fun. I then confirm the M & G the night before and the day of. When we meet for the M & G I have already booked a hotel room close to the M & G with a late afternoon cancellation deadline. After about ten to twenty minutes of the M & G (coffee, drinks, appetizer, etc) if we seem to click then I simply ask her "are you ok with a hotel date?" I have never in my two years in the bowl have had a POT say no to that question. If the POT does again ask what amount of gift can she expect I give the same answer. If by chance that non answer presents a problem for her, then no matter how stunning she may be I have to call it off. Because that tells me that she is not sold on me, either in terms of trust, appearance or my game. From her point of view she has to understand that I happen to be a weekly regular kind of SD. Yes I like variety but I also like to have a fun fwb type I can see every week. Believe me if you asked the POTS if they had a choice between a weekly SD they liked for a $$ per visit vs having to hustle with phone texting for the "one and done" $$$ SDs, they will tell you they much prefer the weekly $$ they can count on. But of course not all of us are looking for the weekly regular SB.

I know there are a good percentage of SDs in our local area who are providing $$$. I know this because my regular SB who hosts me once or twice a week ($ to $$) tells me she routinely gets $$$ on her other SD dates. Guys you are overpaying, worse it raises the gift level expectations. Remember these girls are not the BP pros that we had to negotiate for the hh or hr amount (or GFE, or BBBJ, etc) before we showed up at their motel with the outside doors. Moreover, there are two major advantages of not committing to the gift amount until after the romp. One, you stay in control. Second, they will put more effort into the romp. Just sayin' .

I never talk arrangements until the last of the m / g. If we are both in agreement to move forward then every aspect of the arrangement is discussed. We both know what to expect. I find that if this is done then she is not wondering what she gets out of the deal or if she is going to be completely stiffed. To many girls complain about being taken by guys who leave little to nothing at all. I certainly have never worked a job not knowing what I was being paid and doubt very few here would either. I also ask while setting up a m / g that if things go well if she is able to go to the fc afterwards. This gives her a heads up that she might need to allocate more time than just for a m / g. As far as the $$$ goes a true sb definitely deserve more than what you pay a BP girl for an hour. I hear so much about game playing into this but your mutual beneficial arrangement is number 1 on most of their list. They can fuck whoever they want for free, so your personality comes in 2nd in this sport. If things are good between you then later down the road you can decrease your arrangement if she wants to keep seeing you. Girls are learning that promises of something steady are just that. Most guys negotiate with promises of being steady but usually ghost after the first or second meeting. So the girls who are doing this for side money now have learned to up their prices, take the bigger offer, and if he never shows again its no loss. Just some of my thoughts on the subject.

[StormyTuesday]

I never understand this odd term "FC" in reference to a true SB. A good SB, there is a lot more then just that end game.

Yes, I agree, though I do use the FC (fuck chamber) acronym in my posting efforts to provide tips regarding the process of transitioning the POT to a SB. My favorite SBs have always evolved into FWBs who I enjoy spending time with them outside the FC as much as I do inside the FC. (Well almost).