MotorCity Mayhem

[Van Lopez]

It's our right not to say anything. It's not just a TV thing. Sure, cops get mad when you challenge their authority. Why would we be arrested or charged with disorderly conduct for invoking our constitutional rights. Even Jessica Cooper wouldn't do that. Besides, this is a forum about sex. You should consult the free legal forum or better yet, the ACLU website for information pertaining to our rights or abuse of our rights under the law.

Spaguy45, please show me where in my post where it says to tell the truth (admit anything). What I'm saying is, if a LEO asks you a few questions and you tell him "I have the right to remain silent" because you saw it on TV, odds are he's going to F with you. Sure he's not going to charge you with murder, but he can charge you with disorderly conduct (punishable by up to 93 days in jail and a 500 dollar fine). He can then arrest you, take you to the police station and hold you for 72 hours (3 days) before letting you make a phone call. What are you going to tell your wife, job, etc, where you have been for the last 3 days? Now I know you think you're going to sue the police up the wazoo, but let me share this with you. The police report isn't going to say what happened, it's going to say what the LEO wants it to say. Yes, he is going to lie his ass off just to cover his ass and stick it to you. Now I'm not saying this will happen in every case, but it could and has happened. It's your word against his, who do you think the judge is going to believe?

The best advice I can give is, if you haven't passed the bar, hire someone who has. You sir need to talk to an attorney.

[MightyMonger]

Re your comments about "talking" to the "cops" if stopped after leaving a provider, admitting to criminal conduct is about the worst thing you can do. First of all, no jurisdiction is likely to lock someone up for 3 days for this kind of a investigation just to try to make them talk. They'll get sued up the wazoo. After all, it's not murder 1 or armed robbery that they're investigating. More importantly, it's overwhelmingly unlikely that they would have probable cause to arrest you UNLESS you give it to them yourself. The bottom line is that admitting to criminal conduct WILL get you arrested but not making admissions of such conduct probably will keep you FROM being arrested.

No disrespect intended in any of this. I just see it very differently.

Spaguy45, please show me where in my post where it says to tell the truth (admit anything). What I'm saying is, if a LEO asks you a few questions and you tell him "I have the right to remain silent" because you saw it on TV, odds are he's going to F with you. Sure he's not going to charge you with murder, but he can charge you with disorderly conduct (punishable by up to 93 days in jail and a 500 dollar fine). He can then arrest you, take you to the police station and hold you for 72 hours (3 days) before letting you make a phone call. What are you going to tell your wife, job, etc, where you have been for the last 3 days? Now I know you think you're going to sue the police up the wazoo, but let me share this with you. The police report isn't going to say what happened, it's going to say what the LEO wants it to say. Yes, he is going to lie his ass off just to cover his ass and stick it to you. Now I'm not saying this will happen in every case, but it could and has happened. It's your word against his, who do you think the judge is going to believe?

The best advice I can give is, if you haven't passed the bar, hire someone who has. You sir need to talk to an attorney.

[MightyMonger]

I think it is unreasonable to expect a provider to change location every other day. This would seemingly limit them to hotels. I think any research will confirm that most LE busts take place at hotels. That's one reason I hesitate to see providers at hotels and much prefer residential incalls.

I suppose this may be a matter of individual preference but the expectation of moving every other day seems impractical to me.

MightyMonger, I respectfully disagree with your comment. First of all, how practical is it to expect a provider to change her location every other day? I guess if we're talking SW's it theoretically might work but seems to me to be highly impractical and virtually impossible if we're talking an incall massage provider or escort. On the contrary, I think of it as a positive that they're able to maintain a stable "place of business".

No disrespect intended in any of this. I just see it very differently.

Well I respectfully disagree with you guys disagreeing LOL.

This is like incall vs outcall. Some say incall is safer and some say outcall is safer. But at the end of the day, it's all about your comfort level. For me, I would never see a high volume provider at her incall location where she lives. You have to remember it's not just the foot traffic that gets the neighbors attention, but all the drama that goes along with some of these batshit crazy providers. Sure a low volume provider that has her stuff together is much safer to see, and I'd be OK with that. But most of these girls draw too much bad attention to themselves and that's just not a good thing, and don't forget some of these girls have made quite a few enemies along the way, so the odds of someone trying to get them in trouble is very good (calling LE on them). A real provider spends a day or two at a hotel in Troy, then a day or two in Ann Arbor, then a day or two at a hotel in Dearborn, she mixes it up. When you walk into a hotel room that has pizza boxes, condom wrappers, and a pile of empty beer cans in it like someone has been living there for the last two weeks its just bad news IMO. Most hotels are in clusters, so it shouldn't be that hard for a provider to pack her bag and drive across the street. Sure most busts happen at hotels but that's because 90% of providers work out of hotels.

I guess we can just agree to disagree.

[Otto22]

I think you're missing my point, Van Lopez. My point is, it's not a good idea to see a provider that doesn't change location at least every other day. When you see a provider that works out of her home there's a good chance that the neighbors might get very suspicious. There is an old saying, "never shit where you sleep. ".

On a side note, you may want to talk to an attorney. If you think you don't have to talk to the cops you're wrong. Sure you can physically not talk to LE, but legally you might end up in jail for a few days. And just an FYI, you can be held 3 days before they charge you and let you make a phone call.

I think it is unreasonable to expect a provider to change location every other day. This would seemingly limit them to hotels. I think any research will confirm that most LE busts take place at hotels. That's one reason I hesitate to see providers at hotels and much prefer residential incalls.

I suppose this may be a matter of individual preference but the expectation of moving every other day seems impractical to me.

[Spaguy45]

I think you're missing my point, Van Lopez. My point is, it's not a good idea to see a provider that doesn't change location at least every other day. When you see a provider that works out of her home there's a good chance that the neighbors might get very suspicious. There is an old saying, "never shit where you sleep. ".

On a side note, you may want to talk to an attorney. If you think you don't have to talk to the cops you're wrong. Sure you can physically not talk to LE, but legally you might end up in jail for a few days. And just an FYI, you can be held 3 days before they charge you and let you make a phone call.

MightyMonger, I respectfully disagree with your comment. First of all, how practical is it to expect a provider to change her location every other day? I guess if we're talking SW's it theoretically might work but seems to me to be highly impractical and virtually impossible if we're talking an incall massage provider or escort. On the contrary, I think of it as a positive that they're able to maintain a stable "place of business".

Re your comments about "talking" to the "cops" if stopped after leaving a provider, admitting to criminal conduct is about the worst thing you can do. First of all, no jurisdiction is likely to lock someone up for 3 days for this kind of a investigation just to try to make them talk. They'll get sued up the wazoo. After all, it's not murder 1 or armed robbery that they're investigating. More importantly, it's overwhelmingly unlikely that they would have probable cause to arrest you UNLESS you give it to them yourself. The bottom line is that admitting to criminal conduct WILL get you arrested but not making admissions of such conduct probably will keep you FROM being arrested.

No disrespect intended in any of this. I just see it very differently.

[MightyMonger]

You don't have to talk to the cops. Plain and simple. Why incriminate yourself? They said since the two dudes talked they could face charges as well. That's crazy.

I think you're missing my point, Van Lopez. My point is, it's not a good idea to see a provider that doesn't change location at least every other day. When you see a provider that works out of her home there's a good chance that the neighbors might get very suspicious. There is an old saying, "never shit where you sleep. ".

On a side note, you may want to talk to an attorney. If you think you don't have to talk to the cops you're wrong. Sure you can physically not talk to LE, but legally you might end up in jail for a few days. And just an FYI, you can be held 3 days before they charge you and let you make a phone call.

[Acoustic53]

Hi Heather.

For those of you that haven't figured it out yet, LuckyDude24 is another Heather account.

Will the real Mr. X please stand up?

And no, I haven't figured it out.

[SanityIsRealit]

I did tell you where she was from via pm, that still was not good enough for you. You wanted info I could not provide as her ad was removed the very same day it was posted. This girl was literally not a pro service provder atleast not in recent years, she lives with her dad and daddy was on vacation so she had the place to herself. As far as you calling me out I didn't have a problem with it, however after I said it wasnt heather whom I don't even know you still persisted that it was and I was not being truthful, your biggest issue was I banged this chick bb, not really any of your business where I put my dick on this type of date, however I do agree when it comes to the general pussy pool and in that situation I'm always safe and always have been, not out of concern for you but for my own. I had nothing to hide, certainly not from you. I'm not an idiot and I have continued to watch the CL ann arbor section for this girls ad again and it has not popped up, I don't need her ad I have her digits and can see her anytie just not with the convenience of having her own place. I'm willing to chalk it up as a misunderstanding and I accept your appology but in the future don't call people out for what you believe is not the truth, because you never really know unless your there.

I don't know where you dug an apology up from, but it certainly wasn't in my reply. If given the chance, I would have handled it the exact same way. This wasn't a misunderstanding. A misunderstanding would have been a result from your willingness to exchange information and work this out; which you did not do. Just giving a township doesn't narrow it down. There was so much more additional information you could have shared without risking the woman's anonymity, but you chose not to.

I reserve every right to add information that I feel would be beneficial for other members of this board, even if it inadvertently torpedoes another member's post; and I will continue to do so in the interest of information sharing and the overall safety of this board.

I consider this matter closed, and my original posts in the CL forum will stay up as intended (unless Admin decides to remove them).

[LuckyDude24]

Hi Heather.

For those of you that haven't figured it out yet, LuckyDude24 is another Heather account.

And she thinks I'm BustedOne. Weird how the world works when you line your hat with tin foil.

[MightyMonger]

In the spirit of calling a spade a spade, no one has ever been more wrong in using this speculation as an example.

Cumulatively hundreds of posts written by a male. Having knowledge of a person doesn't make you that person. Choose the simplest explaination. He was a regular of Heather's, perhaps a quasi SugarDaddy.

Hi Heather.

For those of you that haven't figured it out yet, LuckyDude24 is another Heather account.

[Tommy101]

My apologies, as I just saw this post (figured it would be posted in the CL section where this whole thing originated). I'm only going to respond to this once, as I don't want to beat a dead horse and I think this could be a lesson learned for other members here.

Yes, I did jump on your post because your description was very coincidental to a woman I met on CL recently as well. Contrary to your statement of me saying she was the same woman "just because she was tan and lived in a trailer park", her age range, body type, the experience you had, and the description of the area were an exact match to the woman I met. 99 times out of 100, it would be the same woman. However since it raised such a stink with you and there was a small chance I could be wrong, I offered to compare notes and clear it up via PM for the benefit of the board. If I was wrong, I would humbly apologize for the mix up and remove my original post.

As of today I received one response from you, in which you didn't make an attempt to cooperate, called me jealous, and told me to f**k off. At that point I realized that this wouldn't get settled, sent you a reply voicing my disappointment, and moved on (until today when I first saw you would rather bring drama to this board instead of settling it privately). My intentions were not to slander anyone, but to simply add information about a woman that may be unsafe to other members. If that earns me the title of being jealous or a jerk for my post, I'll gladly take that mantle rather than the weight of guilt from a member who was harmed as an indirect result of information I had, but chose not to share on the site.

If you want to play the martyr and "lay low and not post reviews", you are merely adding fuel to the fire withholding.

Information that could keep other members safe. I've been called out on my reviews before and I'm certainly not above posting information that I thought was fact, but was otherwise proven false. Admin is 100% when he said that we're all taking these posts personally and letting it get in the way of the goals of this board.

Simply put, I offered you a chance to rectify our disagreement via PM and prove me wrong. Not only did you not take that opportunity, you brought more drama to the board, and your threat of sitting on the bench and withholding information only increases the risk in an already risky hobby.

This will be the one and only response I have for this. I hope you reconsider your stance for the safety of the members of this board.

I did tell you where she was from via pm, that still was not good enough for you. You wanted info I could not provide as her ad was removed the very same day it was posted. This girl was literally not a pro service provder atleast not in recent years, she lives with her dad and daddy was on vacation so she had the place to herself. As far as you calling me out I didn't have a problem with it, however after I said it wasnt heather whom I don't even know you still persisted that it was and I was not being truthful, your biggest issue was I banged this chick bb, not really any of your business where I put my dick on this type of date, however I do agree when it comes to the general pussy pool and in that situation I'm always safe and always have been, not out of concern for you but for my own. I had nothing to hide, certainly not from you. I'm not an idiot and I have continued to watch the CL ann arbor section for this girls ad again and it has not popped up, I don't need her ad I have her digits and can see her anytie just not with the convenience of having her own place. I'm willing to chalk it up as a misunderstanding and I accept your appology but in the future don't call people out for what you believe is not the truth, because you never really know unless your there.

[SanityIsRealit]

I recently made a post in the craigslist section, I found a girls ad and she was in my area and I'd never seen her or her ad before. I wrote about the experience only to demonstrate that there are a few gems out there. This girl ran her ad for all of about 5 minutes before it was flagged and has not re posted it. I actually asked about sharing her info with some friends and she asked me not to do that because she lives with her dad and he will be back from vacation in a few days, she said she does not actively do this for a living, but since dadday was out of town she thought why not. Well immediatly I get called out by another member who claims he knows who it is based on the fact I mentioned she had a tan and lived in a trailer park LOL. Pretty arrogant of him to think he knows everything there is to know about every girl out there. He then proceeded to lecture me via pm about "safe sex" as if I needed his advice, even claiming I was contaminating the pussy pool. LOL I guess he missed the part that this is a girl that does not normaly do this and what I do with my dick is my business. Either way I was repremended for argumentative post but he was not. Even thought eh very nature of his first comment was designed to argue my claim. I tried to report his argumentative post and recieved an email from the admin stating the other member wasnt being argumentative but rather comparing notes and told me I should appease him. The spirit of my post was was reccognized by another member but since I wouldn't name the girl I guess a few were jealous. Going forward it will be difficult for me to report anything or review anyone, I think ill lurk a while and see how it goes. Too bad I feel I have contributed quite a bit over the years to this site.

My apologies, as I just saw this post (figured it would be posted in the CL section where this whole thing originated). I'm only going to respond to this once, as I don't want to beat a dead horse and I think this could be a lesson learned for other members here.

Yes, I did jump on your post because your description was very coincidental to a woman I met on CL recently as well. Contrary to your statement of me saying she was the same woman "just because she was tan and lived in a trailer park", her age range, body type, the experience you had, and the description of the area were an exact match to the woman I met. 99 times out of 100, it would be the same woman. However since it raised such a stink with you and there was a small chance I could be wrong, I offered to compare notes and clear it up via PM for the benefit of the board. If I was wrong, I would humbly apologize for the mix up and remove my original post.

As of today I received one response from you, in which you didn't make an attempt to cooperate, called me jealous, and told me to f**k off. At that point I realized that this wouldn't get settled, sent you a reply voicing my disappointment, and moved on (until today when I first saw you would rather bring drama to this board instead of settling it privately). My intentions were not to slander anyone, but to simply add information about a woman that may be unsafe to other members. If that earns me the title of being jealous or a jerk for my post, I'll gladly take that mantle rather than the weight of guilt from a member who was harmed as an indirect result of information I had, but chose not to share on the site.

If you want to play the martyr and "lay low and not post reviews", you are merely adding fuel to the fire withholding.

Information that could keep other members safe. I've been called out on my reviews before and I'm certainly not above posting information that I thought was fact, but was otherwise proven false. Admin is 100% when he said that we're all taking these posts personally and letting it get in the way of the goals of this board.

Simply put, I offered you a chance to rectify our disagreement via PM and prove me wrong. Not only did you not take that opportunity, you brought more drama to the board, and your threat of sitting on the bench and withholding information only increases the risk in an already risky hobby.

This will be the one and only response I have for this. I hope you reconsider your stance for the safety of the members of this board.

[Perusing]

I don't think your question has anything to do with my comment to Tommy. My comment was about the "jumping down people's throat" tone that seems to be the MO of a some members lately. I don't believe that Tommy was talking about heather.

If your asking me if I think you should call out a poster that you think is heather (or any other provider posting as a hobbyist), I would say that you should report that member to the admin with your suspicions and reason why you think that poster is really a hobbyist in disguise. The risk of you calling someone out is that you may be wrong and you then turn your suspicions into a witch hunt without facts. Admin should have access to more information than you have and be able to investigate your suspicions.

I've seen Heather. Won't see her again because of her flakiness and she's unreliable. There is a ton of posts about her and if you read half of them you're going to have a pretty darn good idea of what to expect. She or a he on her behalf coming on here and trying to paint a different picture shouldn't make much difference one way or the other. Many ladies have their white knights and they're not that hard to pick out. A lady posting about herself shouldn't be that hard to spot either. I do agree, however, that you can handle these matters with a little less vitriol.

[Jackknoff]

Jack, I'd like to get your opinion on something. Is it a good thing or a bad thing when someone calls out Heather for having a monger account here?

Should I just let it be or do we as men need to know she's here and posting BS?

I don't think your question has anything to do with my comment to Tommy. My comment was about the "jumping down people's throat" tone that seems to be the MO of a some members lately. I don't believe that Tommy was talking about heather.

If your asking me if I think you should call out a poster that you think is heather (or any other provider posting as a hobbyist), I would say that you should report that member to the admin with your suspicions and reason why you think that poster is really a hobbyist in disguise. The risk of you calling someone out is that you may be wrong and you then turn your suspicions into a witch hunt without facts. Admin should have access to more information than you have and be able to investigate your suspicions.

[LuckyDude24]

Isn't the reason why we are here posting info to add some semblance of information used to make good choices in this potentially dangerous hobby. Call a spade a spade.

(my. 02).

In the spirit of calling a spade a spade, no one has ever been more wrong in using this speculation as an example.

Cumulatively hundreds of posts written by a male. Having knowledge of a person doesn't make you that person. Choose the simplest explaination. He was a regular of Heather's, perhaps a quasi SugarDaddy.