"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[John HandCock]

If you just want to drop $300 with little effort and be the 4th guy of the day, go for it. Agency or indy.

So on with the class. LOL.

8. You are going to have to spend a lot of time sending out messages, and by that I mean more than just "Hi sexy". Write a few words, mention anything they have in their profile that lets them know you actually read it.

9. Move them to text as quick as possible so you can do a little background checking on them via Google, Facebook, Instagram. Some are smart enough to use a text app, most aren't. And they love taking selfies.

10. What to offer, how to discuss how much they want. I try and get them to throw out a number first, it's referred to on SA as "allowance", never call it a donation, fee, or anything that sounds hookerish. If they insist on you making the first offer, always go for a range you are comfortable with given her looks I. E. $100-300 each time we meet, maybe 2-4 times a month depending on our schedules and chemistry. This will do 2 things, it will ward off the GPS girls who want the private jet, yacht, and rolex. It lets them know they can counter at UP TO $300 (if she looks good enough) occasionally I will even drop it down to $200 if I have plenty of other hotter girls on the line. IF she comes at you with a number such as $600 per meet, ALWAYS cut that in half, and even down to $200-250 if she isn't a solid 9..

Most of these are pretty solid do's. The reporting for no show is pretty weak. Thi gs happen in life so I give one 2 chances and if she cancells twice or just no show I move on. Reporting if anything they cancel her membership and she has a new one up in 10 minutes. The negotiations I leave to them. If one is out of my range I thank her and move. Lots of swers, on. If she decides to counter offer then we have a conversation. Your supposed to be sd's so trying to haggle over a few bucks tells them your pretty fake. Not sure what your posting as your income but if its above 100 k and your trying to negotiate over 100 bucks different that's a red flag. Some girls actually look at that and call you out on it. GPS is just a guys term for a girl who won't fuck him for his price. I never discuss arrangement till the end of a m / g. If your doing this online before ever meeting or just by texting you have an utr or pro. Lots of swers, CL, utr and pros have migrated to SA. You also have pro sbs you won't find anywhere else running rotations like mongers do. Now everyone has a different definition of a sb but mine is a true sb only has one sd at a time. Wants a long ltr and when she finds one her profile disappears.

[Wineman2]

I've never encountered anything like that!

Your mb is full sir.

[Airmantroy]

I've never encountered anything like that!

I have never once had a girl do any kind of research on me. Meeting in a public space is as far as it goes for 99.9% of them. There are pros on there and I'm kinda curious if they do any background checks.

[SkyHighBuilder]

Is it accurate to conclude from your post that the gals (at least enough of them) aren't insisting on your name, job info, etc. , so they can confirm who you are?

I've never encountered anything like that!

[NewAnonymousName]

So many of us are in your shoes. I use a secure text app (many use burner phones. Cheap, little ones without any features that you can hide and use exclusively for this). I've not had a whisper of trouble from anyone and don't expect any. These are not BP / CL girls that are always running an angle.

Is it accurate to conclude from your post that the gals (at least enough of them) aren't insisting on your name, job info, etc. , so they can confirm who you are?

[SkyHighBuilder]

Are any of you guys working the SA angle married? What are the strategies for communicating with the prospects, reeling them in, and then meeting them while still remaining anonymous? That's my one concern. I'm not even worried about STDs (the treatable ones, that is) given that my marriage has been sexless for a decade. But I am worried about being limited to seeing my kids only every other weekend if I wind up getting busted and divorced.

So many of us are in your shoes. I use a secure text app (many use burner phones. Cheap, little ones without any features that you can hide and use exclusively for this). I've not had a whisper of trouble from anyone and don't expect any. These are not BP / CL girls that are always running an angle.

[John HandCock]

Are any of you guys working the SA angle married? What are the strategies for communicating with the prospects, reeling them in, and then meeting them while still remaining anonymous? That's my one concern. I'm not even worried about STDs (the treatable ones, that is) given that my marriage has been sexless for a decade. But I am worried about being limited to seeing my kids only every other weekend if I wind up getting busted and divorced.

If your a monger the risk is the same on sa as whatever your doung now. Check out the Richmond Va sd / sb thread. It has thousands of pages on secret squirrel shit but the risk is the same.

[NewAnonymousName]

Are any of you guys working the SA angle married? What are the strategies for communicating with the prospects, reeling them in, and then meeting them while still remaining anonymous? That's my one concern. I'm not even worried about STDs (the treatable ones, that is) given that my marriage has been sexless for a decade. But I am worried about being limited to seeing my kids only every other weekend if I wind up getting busted and divorced.

[Zipper34]

So are there any free ones that can be passed my way? LOL.

[MoonshineXXX]

All. Follow the advice of Troy and Sky. To the letter.

BP = Checkers.

SA / SB = Chess.

Which do you want to play?

I was quickly able to line up the following:

33 year old pre-school teacher; 7+ looks /9+ performance. No Allowance Requested.

20 year old student / office worker; 7 looks /8 performance. No Allowance Requested.

23 year old student / fast food manager; 8 looks /9 performance - $100 per trip.

More waiting in the wings.

Best thing EVER! Where was this MF when I was 21?

I signed up this week and I'm finding fairly high rates. Everyone wants an ongoing thing and they want you to get a room. The hunt is kind of fun, but I can't meet weekly and I can't fork over $300 for her plus the cost of a room. Even $200 plus a room is more than I'm willing to spend so maybe I'm just too cheap for that site?

Are you guys paying for a room and giving her a big chunk?

I've found one that has said she would host for $150, but she deactivated her account as soon as we started chatting on text and she refused to say what she wanted and she made it obvious that it would be illegal for her to mention sex and money. That of course puts me on the hook legally since I'm the one that offers her a rate. Everything else about her sounds great, but something about her deactivating her account and being so cautious about the legal stuff has me a little spooked.

One other question, are you meeting in public first or going straight to business. For some reason it seems fine to meet a pro at their place, but meeting one of these girls makes me nervous. More so for safety than legal.

[Airmantroy]

If you just want to drop $300 with little effort and be the 4th guy of the day, go for it. Agency or indy.

So on with the class. LOL.

8. You are going to have to spend a lot of time sending out messages, and by that I mean more than just "Hi sexy". Write a few words, mention anything they have in their profile that lets them know you actually read it.

9. Move them to text as quick as possible so you can do a little background checking on them via Google, Facebook, Instagram. Some are smart enough to use a text app, most aren't. And they love taking selfies.

10. What to offer, how to discuss how much they want. I try and get them to throw out a number first, it's referred to on SA as "allowance", never call it a donation, fee, or anything that sounds hookerish. If they insist on you making the first offer, always go for a range you are comfortable with given her looks I. E. $100-300 each time we meet, maybe 2-4 times a month depending on our schedules and chemistry. This will do 2 things, it will ward off the GPS girls who want the private jet, yacht, and rolex. It lets them know they can counter at UP TO $300 (if she looks good enough) occasionally I will even drop it down to $200 if I have plenty of other hotter girls on the line. IF she comes at you with a number such as $600 per meet, ALWAYS cut that in half, and even down to $200-250 if she isn't a solid 9.

11. Always offer to meet in public first, it can be as cheap as a cup of coffee at Starbuck's or as nice as a dinner at STK, it's your dime spend it wisely. You are interviewing her to fuck you, not chew food at your expense.

12. NEVER EVER EVER pay them anything just to meet you, you're a fool if you do and we all know what they say about fools and money.

13. NEVER EVER EVER send them money for pictures, jeez don't you have Google and a vivid imagination?

14. The girls who message you first are desperate or trying to 1 up the competition, use caution when responding, it could be a setup for a scam.

15. NEVER discuss this site with any of them under any circumstances, it will not gain you favor with them.

16. This a big one, especially given how we like to share info. IF YOU HAVE A GIRL SCAM YOU, NO SHOW YOU, OR ROB YOU. REPORT IT TO SA. And before you block her on there, copy the link to her profile and post it here as a warning to everyone, you are allowed to do that here. Likewise, if you have a girl who is cool, and you don't mind sharing, post a link to her profile and share some insight to what kind of rate you gave, it prevents them from getting GPS.

[SkyHighBuilder]

I agree, mostly wit #2 & #4. If the membership is too much the "rates" inside will make you mad.

And it's not pay to play, you actually have to court them into the relationship.

If you can fork over $$$ and just want to get serviced your way, I'd say stick to the agency girls.

"If you can fork over $$$ and just want to get serviced your way" You can have both on SA but you have to play your cards right!

Many of these women have an internal freak center that NO ONE has ever brought out of them but it's in there WANTING to come out! I can't tell you how many of them have expressed things in confidence to me that you would never have thought seeing them in Wal-Mart LOL. Like Airman said so well, you need to put on your smooth.

Here's one for you old dogs: Remember those Wednesday nights at the Mad Hatter in Underground? Penny beer and 25 cent mixed drinks? Like it was yesterday! There I was in my perfect WING haircut, polyester slacks, 3 button cuff shiny rayon shirts and dancing my ass off. I used to pull the chicks like crazy, LOL. Thought I had lost all of that until I found SA. Through the medium of chat and text and printed profiles I can once again be THAT guy. I thought for so long that THOSE were the days and yet here they are again. "Money for nothing and your chicks for free" well, not quite like that but you get my point.

I'm over 60 and IF I can get it like this then you should be able to too.

[PeteAppleSeed]

I agree, mostly wit #2 & #4. If the membership is too much the "rates" inside will make you mad.

And it's not pay to play, you actually have to court them into the relationship.

If you can fork over $$$ and just want to get serviced your way, I'd say stick to the agency girls.

Aight guys, Sky has revived this thread with his exploits. I'm going to give you a little lesson in SA.

1. This is NOT like BP or Craigslist. Do not approach these girls with that mindset, it won't fly with the good ones.

2. If you can't bring yourself to pay $80 a month, stop reading now, stick to the $40 QV BP chicks and getting all the bullshit they bring to the table.

3. Read #2 again.

4. You have to have some "game" to succeed, imagine you are back in your pre-marriage days and turn on the smooth.

5. You need a good profile and "about me" don't try and bullshit how much you make, don't try and blow smoke up their ass about how much you can do for them, they will figure it out eventually anyway.

6. Pictures. Ahhhhh the dreaded Do I or Don't I put up pictures. That's a personal choice depending on your situation.

7. Things you can say that get you banned in a hurry: directly saying anything about sex for money, specific acts for money, amounts of time for sex.

I'll continue to update you guys as questions get asked.

[Airmantroy]

Aight guys, Sky has revived this thread with his exploits. I'm going to give you a little lesson in SA.

1. This is NOT like BP or Craigslist. Do not approach these girls with that mindset, it won't fly with the good ones.

2. If you can't bring yourself to pay $80 a month, stop reading now, stick to the $40 QV BP chicks and getting all the bullshit they bring to the table.

3. Read #2 again.

4. You have to have some "game" to succeed, imagine you are back in your pre-marriage days and turn on the smooth.

5. You need a good profile and "about me" don't try and bullshit how much you make, don't try and blow smoke up their ass about how much you can do for them, they will figure it out eventually anyway.

6. Pictures. Ahhhhh the dreaded Do I or Don't I put up pictures. That's a personal choice depending on your situation.

7. Things you can say that get you banned in a hurry: directly saying anything about sex for money, specific acts for money, amounts of time for sex.

I'll continue to update you guys as questions get asked.

[SkyHighBuilder]

Wow, 2 ME. That's MONGERING 101 dude. Never put yourself on a public system offering money. Shit man!

Let me thank Airman for giving you guys the straight skinny on this site and how to work it. He is spot on and since I run a business and can't access this site during the day except on my phone and I can't give a comprehensive statement on there what with all that's going on he gets to you guys quicker and is 100% accurate in his observations.

I will add that I delay the money talk as long a I can unless I feel she is good to go. I want to control every aspect of this even down to the smallest detail. I'll talk money when I'm ready and if one gets off the hook early fuck it! There are plenty more waiting. Normally I move them to texting very quickly to get into more intimate conversations that I don't want to have on there. I don't need anyone knocking on my door talking about pandering, LOL. That' never going to happen but what will happen is that they will revoke your account and you will not get back on AND they KEEP your money!

Now, I've had everything from FREE (YEAH, they like their daddy) to 300 for a romping 2 fer and time was never an issue. If I even talk about time it's always in the abstract. Why would I lock myself into an hour when I could have 2 or more for the same money? I've had from the lower 20's to the upper 40's (guys, I'm out of the lower 20's. They have been my worst experiences and have GPS big time) but the mid-late 20's and up have been my sweet spot. I'm totally into submission and the quicker I can get them to their submissive nature the better. I ask them if they care to exchange pics, send a couple of "G" rated ones sand then ask if they want to be a bit more "daring" with them. This works 95% of the time and especially if you've put in the work to get there. This all happens within 20 texts, plus or minus.

I almost never reply to the ones that contact me out of the blue. They tend to be gold diggers. The ones with the airbrushed fancy pics, leave them alone too, same thing IF they are real at all. Don't be a simp and be taken in by one of them. There are some pretty sophisticated scams going on out there and I don't want to read about one of you getting hit by one. Most of them are professionals and even men that just play you on for the money. They will send pics for verification too so don't fall for it.

That's it for SA 101 today fellas.

Have fun,

SKY.