MotorCity Mayhem

[CarlossPicYw]

This is from a law professor. The legal line between Porn and Prostitution. If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex in insulated by the by the Constitution from legal regulations. This is a fact in law. Sherry F. Colb finflaw.com / Professor at Rutgers Law School www.awo.com This defense was used in New York Federal Court. Also if a undercover says $ 100 for a 1/2 hr. A defense can be no sex act was discussed. Adult can do any thing with there time. This comes from a lawyer as well.

I can't emphasize how wrong this is. Literally any 2nd-year law student will tell you that this is all wrong. Solicitation is not a federal offense, so the Constitution never comes into play. These are state offenses. Beyond that, there's no "New York Federal Court. " There are federal District Courts in the state of New York, but there is no all-encompassing "New York Federal Court. ".

There is no magical work-around or key phrases that will enable you to escape after being caught in the act. Pretending otherwise is foolish and dangerous.

[Lewk4]

BoneHead8899, you need to "talk" to a local attorney, not just read some text on a website that's meant to help you find a attorney anywhere in the US. Your porn idea will not work.

This is a perfect example of a post that should be taken with a grain of salt. Bad info like this could get someone in real hot water.

MM, wait please don't discourage Mr. Bonehead's ingenuity and adventurousness. Mr. Bonehead seems to have 'gamed the system' a bit quicker and more thoroughly than the rest of us. So please give it a try since you're confident enough to recommend your 'scheme' to other poor saps, perhaps you will the first to try it out! Don't forget when TOFTT, we all will be waiting for a glowing report of your mastery of the judicial system.

[MightyMonger]

Well that lasted all of 6 hours and 20 minutes before you went right back into White-Knight mode. Acoustic53, you seem like the type of monger that gets feelings for the providers he sees, that can be very dangerous my man.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...28#post3494028

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...=1#post3499332

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...=1#post3499122

No that's funny you actually did the math, he couldn't even go 8 hours without talking about his ATF Nikki. Acoustic53, you're in for a world of hurt my friend when you fall in love with a hooker.

Be careful.

[MightyMonger]

This is from a law professor. The legal line between Porn and Prostitution. If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex in insulated by the by the Constitution from legal regulations. This is a fact in law. Sherry F. Colb finflaw.com / Professor at Rutgers Law School www.awo.com This defense was used in New York Federal Court. Also if a undercover says $ 100 for a 1/2 hr. A defense can be no sex act was discussed. Adult can do any thing with there time. This comes from a lawyer as well.

BoneHead8899, you need to "talk" to a local attorney, not just read some text on a website that's meant to help you find a attorney anywhere in the US. Your porn idea will not work.

This is a perfect example of a post that should be taken with a grain of salt. Bad info like this could get someone in real hot water.

[MetroRider]

Thank you for your feedback, Mr. MetroRider.

1. I disagree that ALL BP advertisers are unreliable. I agree that MOST BP advertisers are unreliable.

2. Never did I claim to know "plenty of reliable providers". I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't the funds, time, nor interest, to patronize 10+ different BP providers often enough to determine whether they are reliable. I could name two or three other providers from the past, but they are long gone (AFAIK), so there's no point.

3. Actually, Nikki woke up to this life at 18; and yes, it is just possible she arrived at this decision without the help (or coercion) of some other person. I take it that your assertion is every provider on BP, and every SW has a pimp. I've yet to see evidence of one. And yes, I have encountered other providers with pimps, and they tend to make their presence known quickly.

4. Yes, she actually lives there, but also goes back to her family frequently.

Are there inconsistencies in her story? Sure there are. Do I believe everything she tells me? No, just as I don't believe everything I read on this forum, either. Is her neighborhood unsafe? I think it is no more unsafe than any of these "notels" where forum members describe meeting a provider for the first time, and finding uninvited guests behind door #1, or LE awaiting in the parking lot; or "car dates" on some side street.

But, hey, since this topic is causing so much friction, I'll stop posting about it, and about her as well.

Well that lasted all of 6 hours and 20 minutes before you went right back into White-Knight mode. Acoustic53, you seem like the type of monger that gets feelings for the providers he sees, that can be very dangerous my man.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...28#post3494028

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...=1#post3499332

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...=1#post3499122

[MetroRider]

This is from a law professor. The legal line between Porn and Prostitution. If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex in insulated by the by the Constitution from legal regulations. This is a fact in law. Sherry F. Colb finflaw.com / Professor at Rutgers Law School www.awo.com This defense was used in New York Federal Court. Also if a undercover says $ 100 for a 1/2 hr. A defense can be no sex act was discussed. Adult can do any thing with there time. This comes from a lawyer as well.

I'm not saying that porn isn't legal, what I'm saying is, if you try telling a judge this you are going to insult his / her intelligence. This would be like saying I was just asking for directions. You do not want to piss the judge of with some BS lie.

If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex in insulated by the by the Constitution from legal regulations.

I'm not an attorney but I do have some common sense. Do you really think you're the first person to think of this? This is just as bad as those disclaimers that say "by contacting me you agree not to be affiliated with law enforcement." There are so many variables that come into play here, like what are you going to do if the judge asks to see the contract? If you're paying her to make a porn video I'm sure there still needs to be a contract even if its amateur porn (you need her consent to do whatever with the video). You need to know her legal name, her age (got to make sure she's 18), how much you're paying her (she needs to pay her taxes), do you have proof of STD testing, the list goes on and on.

Also what if LE gets a statement from the provider? A lot of times LE will tell the provider if she makes a statement saying what "you" did or said they (LE) will let her go or reduce the charges. Are you still going to tell the judge you're a porn producer when he / she (the judge) reads the statement to you that the provider made saying you solicited her?

If this is the story you want to tell the judge, fine. I'm just telling you he / she is going to rip it apart. Again, you do not want to piss off the judge by insulting his / her intelligence with some BS lie.

If it were as easy as saying "I'm making a porn movie" there would never be another solicitation conviction in the US again. Your honor, I wasn't soliciting that known SW, I was holding open auditions in the back seat of my car.

TBYT (think before you type).

[BoneHead8899]

Its one thing if you want to get yourself in trouble, but when you post garbage like this that can get others in trouble, someone needs to point out just how dumb you are. Please know what you're talking about before you start typing next time.

This is from a law professor. The legal line between Porn and Prostitution. If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex in insulated by the by the Constitution from legal regulations. This is a fact in law. Sherry F. Colb finflaw.com / Professor at Rutgers Law School www.awo.com This defense was used in New York Federal Court. Also if a undercover says $ 100 for a 1/2 hr. A defense can be no sex act was discussed. Adult can do any thing with there time. This comes from a lawyer as well.

[MetroRider]

Thank you for your feedback, Mr. MetroRider.

1. I disagree that ALL BP advertisers are unreliable. I agree that MOST BP advertisers are unreliable.

2. Never did I claim to know "plenty of reliable providers". I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't the funds, time, nor interest, to patronize 10+ different BP providers often enough to determine whether they are reliable. I could name two or three other providers from the past, but they are long gone (AFAIK), so there's no point.

3. Actually, Nikki woke up to this life at 18; and yes, it is just possible she arrived at this decision without the help (or coercion) of some other person. I take it that your assertion is every provider on BP, and every SW has a pimp. I've yet to see evidence of one. And yes, I have encountered other providers with pimps, and they tend to make their presence known quickly.

4. Yes, she actually lives there, but also goes back to her family frequently.

Are there inconsistencies in her story? Sure there are. Do I believe everything she tells me? No, just as I don't believe everything I read on this forum, either. Is her neighborhood unsafe? I think it is no more unsafe than any of these "notels" where forum members describe meeting a provider for the first time, and finding uninvited guests behind door #1, or LE awaiting in the parking lot; or "car dates" on some side street.

But, hey, since this topic is causing so much friction, I'll stop posting about it, and about her as well.

I still think you have your head in the sand, but at least you were man enough to reply unlike XirCom. I give Nikki another 90 days before the shit hits the fan.

Be safe.

[MetroRider]

Prositution is illegal. But porn is not. Video the event and a have script. Then when money is exchanged no crime.

Its one thing if you want to get yourself in trouble, but when you post garbage like this that can get others in trouble, someone needs to point out just how dumb you are. Please know what you're talking about before you start typing next time.

[Acoustic53]

And the fact that they think this girl is clean. None of these girls are clean!! Not sure why we have to keep going over that. Just because you don't see any signs of use, doesn't mean she is not using. Most girls are very good at hiding it. Until they are so deep that they can't hide it anymore. This isn't most girls, it's all girls. Doesn't have to be heroin, but even any type of pills, these girls are all abusing something. Especially when they live in a shady neighborhood. Not sure why we keep trying to fool ourselves.

You present a good argument against anyone using their services.

[Acoustic53]

Really, sure looks like you were disputing it. You and XirCom both challenged MM statement about BP being a joke when it comes to providers (and it is IMO) just so you (and XirCom) could cheerlead for your ATF Nikki. You and XirCom both claimed that there are plenty of reliable providers on BP, but when asked to put up or shut up you couldn't provide a list of your favorite BP providers. Can you even name two other providers besides Nikki that are reliable?

As far as Nikki having a pimp, let me ask you this. Do you really think that a 20 yo girl wakes up one morning and just decides to start selling pussy, or did some dude talk her into it? Also think about where this girl lives (at the corner of crack and murder), you really think she lives there with her roommate? Good god guys use some common sense.

Thank you for your feedback, Mr. MetroRider.

1. I disagree that ALL BP advertisers are unreliable. I agree that MOST BP advertisers are unreliable.

2. Never did I claim to know "plenty of reliable providers". I don't know about the rest of you, but I haven't the funds, time, nor interest, to patronize 10+ different BP providers often enough to determine whether they are reliable. I could name two or three other providers from the past, but they are long gone (AFAIK), so there's no point.

3. Actually, Nikki woke up to this life at 18; and yes, it is just possible she arrived at this decision without the help (or coercion) of some other person. I take it that your assertion is every provider on BP, and every SW has a pimp. I've yet to see evidence of one. And yes, I have encountered other providers with pimps, and they tend to make their presence known quickly.

4. Yes, she actually lives there, but also goes back to her family frequently.

Are there inconsistencies in her story? Sure there are. Do I believe everything she tells me? No, just as I don't believe everything I read on this forum, either. Is her neighborhood unsafe? I think it is no more unsafe than any of these "notels" where forum members describe meeting a provider for the first time, and finding uninvited guests behind door #1, or LE awaiting in the parking lot; or "car dates" on some side street.

But, hey, since this topic is causing so much friction, I'll stop posting about it, and about her as well.

[HookerLover]

Really, sure looks like you were disputing it. You and XirCom both challenged MM statement about BP being a joke when it comes to providers (and it is IMO) just so you (and XirCom) could cheerlead for your ATF Nikki. You and XirCom both claimed that there are plenty of reliable providers on BP, but when asked to put up or shut up you couldn't provide a list of your favorite BP providers. Can you even name two other providers besides Nikki that are reliable?

As far as Nikki having a pimp, let me ask you this. Do you really think that a 20 yo girl wakes up one morning and just decides to start selling pussy, or did some dude talk her into it? Also think about where this girl lives (at the corner of crack and murder), you really think she lives there with her roommate? Good god guys use some common sense.

And the fact that they think this girl is clean. None of these girls are clean!! Not sure why we have to keep going over that. Just because you don't see any signs of use, doesn't mean she is not using. Most girls are very good at hiding it. Until they are so deep that they can't hide it anymore. This isn't most girls, it's all girls. Doesn't have to be heroin, but even any type of pills, these girls are all abusing something. Especially when they live in a shady neighborhood. Not sure why we keep trying to fool ourselves.

[MetroRider]

I will dispute this statement just a little bit, although we all know it is true for most advertisers; here is one who has been my reliable, formerly UTR Nikki.

http://detroit.backpage.com/WomenSee...D1%94/33824403

I'm not disputing that most ads on BP are from unreliable sources. And I never said I had a top ten list. And we all appreciate the timely reminders that BP is the Wild West, so no one should let their guard down.

I am very interested in learning more about this person you say is her pimp. How do you know?

Really, sure looks like you were disputing it. You and XirCom both challenged MM statement about BP being a joke when it comes to providers (and it is IMO) just so you (and XirCom) could cheerlead for your ATF Nikki. You and XirCom both claimed that there are plenty of reliable providers on BP, but when asked to put up or shut up you couldn't provide a list of your favorite BP providers. Can you even name two other providers besides Nikki that are reliable?

As far as Nikki having a pimp, let me ask you this. Do you really think that a 20 yo girl wakes up one morning and just decides to start selling pussy, or did some dude talk her into it? Also think about where this girl lives (at the corner of crack and murder), you really think she lives there with her roommate? Good god guys use some common sense.

[Acoustic53]

I'm talking about the same Nikki you posted about picking up on Grand River in the Triangle, the same one that's in this BP ad. After you first posted about her I found her for myself on Grand River by the veterinary hospital with her pimp in tow. Do I need to quote your posts in the SW thread?

http://detroit.backpage.com/WomenSee...D1%94/33824403

This isn't about Nikki, its about BP being nothing but bad news when it comes to escorts. You said, and I quote, "I will dispute this statement just a little bit, although we all know it is true for most advertisers; here is one who has been my reliable, formerly UTR Nikki," so please prove me wrong by posting a list of reliable providers. With over a 100 posts per day on BP Nikki is less then 1%. I'm sure you and XirCom click real well with her, all I'm trying to do is warn you and others to be careful, it can go South as soon as her pimp tells her to get over on you. Time will always tell what type of provider she is, drugs, pimp, etc.

Good luck, play safe, and I'd still love to see your top 10 list of BP providers, hell a top 5 list will even do.

I'm not disputing that most ads on BP are from unreliable sources. And I never said I had a top ten list. And we all appreciate the timely reminders that BP is the Wild West, so no one should let their guard down.

I am very interested in learning more about this person you say is her pimp. How do you know?

[MightyMonger]

I've seen her several dozen times and had a good experience every time, no hint of drugs or a pimp. Goes out of her way to make me happy. Are we talking about the same Nikki? There's a lot of Nikki's on BP, Have you actually seen her, do you have a photo other than the ones posted?I don't have a top ten list of BP providers, I'm only talking about Nikki. Just saying. Peace.

Xircom.

If Nikki's the only reliable girl you know from BP then why would you say, and I quote, "there are plenty of reliable providers on backpage?" When you post bogus info like this it can get someone in serious trouble. BP is a very dangerous avenue of the hobby, there are NOT reliable, safe, professional, escorts on that site.

Hobby safe XirCom