Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[RockMyCock]

My brother in law is a higher ranking local LEO. He knows that I occasionally indulge in the hobby, and while he does not approve, he knows that I am not going to change. So he and I have a deal. Since me running afoul of the law could have negative consequences for him, he has asked me not to play in his jurisdiction. He has also asked me to be very careful when I do play, and to help me, he provides me with information of investigations going on so that I can steer clear of the establishments being investigated. He has the credentials to access a LE only website that contains the Interdepartmental Ongoing Investigation Database which is used by the different LE organizations in the area to prevent wasteful parallel investigations from taking place.

I had mentioned to him that I intended to try out Relax Massage on Kenwood Rd because of several good reviews that it had on here. He looked it up on his work laptop and said that they were under investigation for prostitution. It said that the investigation was still in its preliminary stages and had been going on for three weeks with another nine weeks before a more in depth investigation might be started, depending upon the results of the preliminary investigation. He drilled down a level on the database and it gave some particulars about the investigation, such as a camera somewhere in Keystone Plaza taking license plate photos of cars entering the parking lot, taking photos of patrons entering and leaving the establishment and the amount of time that they were there. It also stated that they had three undercover officers going in as regular patrons to build trust with the girls. Imagine getting paid to get a massage and attempt to get a HE. I need that kind of job.

But then I saw something that really made me mad. I really don't care if a AMP gets busted because three will pop up to takes its place. But what Blue Ash police and the Hamilton County Sheriff intend to do is if they get the evidence that they need is to make a really quiet takedown of this AMP and then operate a sting operation for about a week. And to make it even more nefarious, rather than staff it with new ladies, they will offer really attractive plea deals to the girls working there in exchange for their cooperation by continuing to work there. However the rooms will be acoustically bugged and officers will be there, listening and ready to pounce if the customer says the wrong thing. What makes matters worse is that one of the reasons listed for holding a sting at this location is that they would initiate property forfeiture on all the guys that they arrest and that the parking lot tends to have at least one high end vehicle in it at all times. They even noted that there are frequent visits from a black Mercedes SUV and visits by a Maserati Sedan. It appears that Blue Ash wants to go into the luxury used car business. Or maybe they can use them for stakeouts. Who is going to notice a couple of guys sitting in a Maserati near a crack house?

Anyway, I normally don't post warnings but this one really gets my blood boiling because all it looks like is shutting down an AMP with a money grab added on. If you are going to patronize this AMP, you might want to use your wife's car or go out and buy a $1000 beater to use for visiting this AMP. And erase you history on your phone if you search Backpage, Massage and / or call for an appointment. Once you use your phone to do something illegal, it becomes a criminal tool in the eyes of LE and that is another whole can of worms.

I think your Bro in law is pulling your legs to try and get you to quick. First off, my roomate works for Blue Ash police. I flat out asked him, there is no website that has current investigations. There is a police database that's only accessed at the stations that can show current / ongoing investigations but it's not like anyone can just look those up. Second, Relax Massage is listed as "legit" and I don't know anyone who's left "Happy". Just heard some complaints about "DIY" from which no one does. I've been there 3-4 times. I"ve never been offered anything, just got some really great massages. Third, there is no way the police could set up a camera across the street. It would NEVER hold up in a court of law. First up, they have a range from which they are accurate, second, you'd have to constantly deal with a super busy street and untold unknown factors. Third, so what if they took your pic / license. Unless they catch you in the actual act of paying for something, it's not a crime. They can try scare tactics, all you have to say is "Lawyer" and nothing else. "Anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law, but never for you. " The only place that would even work for a camera would be the tree directly across from the place. So many birds would be on it in a heartbeat. Also don't park in there parking lot. Just park some where else and walk over. Park around the corner or at starbucks. The cops just can't "Take your car and phone " to keep it. The supreme court is about to rule on that illegal practice. All you have to do is leave your phone in your car and park some where else. They aren't going to go looking for your vehicle haha If you see a bunch of "White vans" with no windows, GO ELSEWHERE. It's not hard to spot a bunch of cops. If you walk in and the are acting really nervous, just get a legit massage, turn down everything and leave. Search the room for camera's and bugs. They aren't large rooms and if you suddenly notice a new "lamp" but cautious. Or just go straight up to it and look. Everyone should know what a mic / camera lens looks like. Check the couch and under the table. Any wires you see are 100% bugged. They'd have to put a camera in there to really bust you because audio is not enough evidence to convict in a court of law. Example if I have a really bad knot in my back and I moan when she presses on the area, that is a not an admission to a sexual act. Unless she says "you want HE?" and you say "Yes please" then you are in trouble. Say NOTHING. The few times I have left a AMP with HE it was always unspoken and super quiet.

Just be careful. IF they don't find anything in 3 weeks, and I doubt they will the investigation is thrown out. Also long as the girls aren't dumb, everything should be fine. Might be slow for a while but that's business. Plus it's been open for what? At least 2 years and nothing?

[GolfGuy]

These providors used to post here according to his post, so why not give us those alias names. I wasn't asking for their real names, occupations or addresses. Those of us that have been around a while would remember.

So their personally identifiable information isn't public.

The same way we don't disclose where you give your lessons or post pictures of your family on here.

If the lady in question has a real world license or certificate to keop up, participating in the hobby can end her career.

For example, there is a fairly proficient police officer in New Jersey, mid-30's. Who used to do domme work and did a few web films. Some white conservative Xtian higher-up perv in the enforcement field vaguely remembered her and turned her out. It's unclear whether she will be able to continue in her j-o-b.

[Gonz199]

My brother in law is a higher ranking local LEO. He knows that I occasionally indulge in the hobby, and while he does not approve, he knows that I am not going to change. So he and I have a deal. Since me running afoul of the law could have negative consequences for him, he has asked me not to play in his jurisdiction. He has also asked me to be very careful when I do play, and to help me, he provides me with information of investigations going on so that I can steer clear of the establishments being investigated. He has the credentials to access a LE only website that contains the Interdepartmental Ongoing Investigation Database which is used by the different LE organizations in the area to prevent wasteful parallel investigations from taking place.

I had mentioned to him that I intended to try out Relax Massage on Kenwood Rd because of several good reviews that it had on here. He looked it up on his work laptop and said that they were under investigation for prostitution. It said that the investigation was still in its preliminary stages and had been going on for three weeks with another nine weeks before a more in depth investigation might be started, depending upon the results of the preliminary investigation. He drilled down a level on the database and it gave some particulars about the investigation, such as a camera somewhere in Keystone Plaza taking license plate photos of cars entering the parking lot, taking photos of patrons entering and leaving the establishment and the amount of time that they were there. It also stated that they had three undercover officers going in as regular patrons to build trust with the girls. Imagine getting paid to get a massage and attempt to get a HE. I need that kind of job.

But then I saw something that really made me mad. I really don't care if a AMP gets busted because three will pop up to takes its place. But what Blue Ash police and the Hamilton County Sheriff intend to do is if they get the evidence that they need is to make a really quiet takedown of this AMP and then operate a sting operation for about a week. And to make it even more nefarious, rather than staff it with new ladies, they will offer really attractive plea deals to the girls working there in exchange for their cooperation by continuing to work there. However the rooms will be acoustically bugged and officers will be there, listening and ready to pounce if the customer says the wrong thing. What makes matters worse is that one of the reasons listed for holding a sting at this location is that they would initiate property forfeiture on all the guys that they arrest and that the parking lot tends to have at least one high end vehicle in it at all times. They even noted that there are frequent visits from a black Mercedes SUV and visits by a Maserati Sedan. It appears that Blue Ash wants to go into the luxury used car business. Or maybe they can use them for stakeouts. Who is going to notice a couple of guys sitting in a Maserati near a crack house?

Anyway, I normally don't post warnings but this one really gets my blood boiling because all it looks like is shutting down an AMP with a money grab added on. If you are going to patronize this AMP, you might want to use your wife's car or go out and buy a $1000 beater to use for visiting this AMP. And erase you history on your phone if you search Backpage, Massage and / or call for an appointment. Once you use your phone to do something illegal, it becomes a criminal tool in the eyes of LE and that is another whole can of worms.

Thanks for the heads up. Another one bites the dust, I suppose.

[RogerOver]

So their personally identifiable information isn't public.

The same way we don't disclose where you give your lessons or post pictures of your family on here.

If the lady in question has a real world license or certificate to keop up, participating in the hobby can end her career.

For example, there is a fairly proficient police officer in New Jersey, mid-30's. Who used to do domme work and did a few web films. Some white conservative Xtian higher-up perv in the enforcement field vaguely remembered her and turned her out. It's unclear whether she will be able to continue in her j-o-b.

I had to look up "Xtian" and I'm an atheist. Thanks for the new shorthand. LOL.

[Whathesaid]

All that info and you're not even going to share who they were? Not even their screen names? Probably both out of the game now for good or at least for a long time. C'Mon. Man!

So their personally identifiable information isn't public.

The same way we don't disclose where you give your lessons or post pictures of your family on here.

If the lady in question has a real world license or certificate to keop up, participating in the hobby can end her career.

For example, there is a fairly proficient police officer in New Jersey, mid-30's. Who used to do domme work and did a few web films. Some white conservative Xtian higher-up perv in the enforcement field vaguely remembered her and turned her out. It's unclear whether she will be able to continue in her j-o-b.

[Strip Junkie]

My brother in law is a higher ranking local LEO. He knows that I occasionally indulge in the hobby, and while he does not approve, he knows that I am not going to change. So he and I have a deal. Since me running afoul of the law could have negative consequences for him, he has asked me not to play in his jurisdiction. He has also asked me to be very careful when I do play, and to help me, he provides me with information of investigations going on so that I can steer clear of the establishments being investigated. He has the credentials to access a LE only website that contains the Interdepartmental Ongoing Investigation Database which is used by the different LE organizations in the area to prevent wasteful parallel investigations from taking place.

I had mentioned to him that I intended to try out Relax Massage on Kenwood Rd because of several good reviews that it had on here. He looked it up on his work laptop and said that they were under investigation for prostitution. It said that the investigation was still in its preliminary stages and had been going on for three weeks with another nine weeks before a more in depth investigation might be started, depending upon the results of the preliminary investigation. He drilled down a level on the database and it gave some particulars about the investigation, such as a camera somewhere in Keystone Plaza taking license plate photos of cars entering the parking lot, taking photos of patrons entering and leaving the establishment and the amount of time that they were there. It also stated that they had three undercover officers going in as regular patrons to build trust with the girls. Imagine getting paid to get a massage and attempt to get a HE. I need that kind of job.

But then I saw something that really made me mad. I really don't care if a AMP gets busted because three will pop up to takes its place. But what Blue Ash police and the Hamilton County Sheriff intend to do is if they get the evidence that they need is to make a really quiet takedown of this AMP and then operate a sting operation for about a week. And to make it even more nefarious, rather than staff it with new ladies, they will offer really attractive plea deals to the girls working there in exchange for their cooperation by continuing to work there. However the rooms will be acoustically bugged and officers will be there, listening and ready to pounce if the customer says the wrong thing. What makes matters worse is that one of the reasons listed for holding a sting at this location is that they would initiate property forfeiture on all the guys that they arrest and that the parking lot tends to have at least one high end vehicle in it at all times. They even noted that there are frequent visits from a black Mercedes SUV and visits by a Maserati Sedan. It appears that Blue Ash wants to go into the luxury used car business. Or maybe they can use them for stakeouts. Who is going to notice a couple of guys sitting in a Maserati near a crack house?

Anyway, I normally don't post warnings but this one really gets my blood boiling because all it looks like is shutting down an AMP with a money grab added on. If you are going to patronize this AMP, you might want to use your wife's car or go out and buy a $1000 beater to use for visiting this AMP. And erase you history on your phone if you search Backpage, Massage and / or call for an appointment. Once you use your phone to do something illegal, it becomes a criminal tool in the eyes of LE and that is another whole can of worms.

[GolfGuy]

All that info and you're not even going to share who they were? Not even their screen names? Probably both out of the game now for good or at least for a long time. C'Mon. Man!

Two of my UTR's have gotten pregnant. I'm so bummed. One of them is well known here a while back and then got out to take care of herself. But then contacted me quite a while ago. Beautiful and a freak in the sheets. Has had a legit job and informed me today she just found out she is pregnant. Was all for pictures, videos and anything else. Says she wants to still get together but you know how that'll go. The other one was also known here and dropped out. She and I became friends and she even asked to move in. Didn't happen. But we still get together all the time. Both names known here. She's talking about not keeping it but the other, my favorite is keeping it. Losing my hot UTRs. Guess it had to happen sometime.

[Dillsborodave]

Two of my UTR's have gotten pregnant. I'm so bummed. One of them is well known here a while back and then got out to take care of herself. But then contacted me quite a while ago. Beautiful and a freak in the sheets. Has had a legit job and informed me today she just found out she is pregnant. Was all for pictures, videos and anything else. Says she wants to still get together but you know how that'll go. The other one was also known here and dropped out. She and I became friends and she even asked to move in. Didn't happen. But we still get together all the time. Both names known here. She's talking about not keeping it but the other, my favorite is keeping it. Losing my hot UTRs. Guess it had to happen sometime.

Hope the rubber never broke with the one you are still fucking. LOL.

[BigBibble]

I was speaking to a certain monger.

Who brought up the fact that he's been trying to set up a meeting for a couple weeks now. Problem being that I'm in NKY, and he is 45 minutes away in bufu Ohio. He suggested I pack up and migrate North for a few days and show my handsome Cincinnatian's some love.

Since I haven't had a road trip or vacation in about. My whole life, I think this could be a lot of fun.

My question (s) is / are;.

1) who would be interested if I did head that way for a few days? I don't know if you can answer this on here, so feel free to hit my PMS up.

2) where is a good location with decent priced / nice hotels?

3) what days would you think would be best?

4) the third one was really my last question but I figured it makes my post look more mature and cool with 4 bulletins instead: D.

LOL thanks in advance! Look forward to hearing some input.

BuFu! Now THAT is FUNNY!

[Hooter12]

Two of my UTR's have gotten pregnant. I'm so bummed. One of them is well known here a while back and then got out to take care of herself. But then contacted me quite a while ago. Beautiful and a freak in the sheets. Has had a legit job and informed me today she just found out she is pregnant. Was all for pictures, videos and anything else. Says she wants to still get together but you know how that'll go. The other one was also known here and dropped out. She and I became friends and she even asked to move in. Didn't happen. But we still get together all the time. Both names known here. She's talking about not keeping it but the other, my favorite is keeping it. Losing my hot UTRs. Guess it had to happen sometime.

[DirtyBelushi]

It's funny, because I got a ton of pms warning me about the area as well. Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

Didn't mean to steer you wrong. I didn't actually go up there to look at motels, just saw a lot of options in the relatively affordable range up that way. The only ones I have stayed in have been on the NKY side, mostly the Days Inn in Ft Wright which I do like (staying here now, multiple weeks and everything has been good) and the Super 8 in Ft Mitchell, which had a tiny room and then jacked me for a bunch of money on top of their already high rate when a co-worker and her dog moved in with me for a few days, then refused to give me the difference back when she moved out a day earlier than what I paid for. She did get back with her boyfriend after that and they did stay at a couple of motels in Sharonville and did not report any problems, but they were not doing anything illegal except pot either. I've seen a lot of LEOs in the parking lots at the motels I have stayed in down here as well, but they have not bothered me except one time when they were banging on my door in the middle of the night at the Super 8 because aforementioned female was sleeping in her car in the parking lot. Which I really couldn't blame her for given the size of the room and the bedbugs.

[Cassie92]

I was browsing and I came up on your post somebody did suggest Sharonville area please be warned that there are a lot of LEO that do keep a close eye on the area that you do choose to either do in or outcalls. The cheaper the motel more at risk that you can become you a lot of research before you decide on where you want to stay sometimes it's good to stay at a place on the outskirts.

Stay safe,

AnnieGirl.

It's funny, because I got a ton of pms warning me about the area as well. Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

[Hooter12]

I was browsing and I came up on your post somebody did suggest Sharonville area please be warned that there are a lot of LEO that do keep a close eye on the area that you do choose to either do in or outcalls. The cheaper the motel more at risk that you can become you a lot of research before you decide on where you want to stay sometimes it's good to stay at a place on the outskirts.

Stay safe,

AnnieGirl.

I agree Sharonville was probably not the best suggestion.

[Countryboy72]

I sent him a PM with a great, secret short cut that uses the Clyde Wade Bailey bridge. Not posting publicly to avoid over usage. PM me if you want to hear it.

Bam.

No dlow fowns breezed all the way around 8:30. Shocked. Always hit slow down at GE and 562, at the least. Just got lucky. But damn parking rates went up.

[DrDave39]

Sharonville, in the Rt. 4 area has plenty of options.

I will come see you for your sense of humor alone! Although the word is that there are lots of other reasons.

The good dr.

I was speaking to a certain monger.

Who brought up the fact that he's been trying to set up a meeting for a couple weeks now. Problem being that I'm in NKY, and he is 45 minutes away in bufu Ohio. He suggested I pack up and migrate North for a few days and show my handsome Cincinnatian's some love.

Since I haven't had a road trip or vacation in about. My whole life, I think this could be a lot of fun.

My question (s) is / are;.

1) who would be interested if I did head that way for a few days? I don't know if you can answer this on here, so feel free to hit my PMS up.

2) where is a good location with decent priced / nice hotels?

3) what days would you think would be best?

4) the third one was really my last question but I figured it makes my post look more mature and cool with 4 bulletins instead: D.

LOL thanks in advance! Look forward to hearing some input.