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[Member #6005]

I use TER whenever possible. I was also a member of HoH for 4 years. It also came in handy. But, if it's a night I'm looking and I'm getting radio silence from the reviewed options, you better believe I'm going off script. I also still travel alot for work. I often find myself in cities the size of LaCrosse, Dubuque, Cedar rapids, etc smaller than Madison. Where there may be 0 reviewed options. But, my weakness is I also like to find the gems myself. It's a game to me really. I'm aware of the risks. I still do it. That wasn't my point. I'm just saying 20 years with one incident seems amazing to me. And by 1 in 5 I don't mean I get robbed or anything like that, but you know, when you are looking for a wild time and a girl shows up and says all you can do is watch her toy herself for 30 min, or they don't do anything more than lay there, to me it's not much different than robbery. So, by 1 out of 5, I meant that's how often I'm extremely not happy about what I got for the money. And I rethink being in this hobby often. I've told myself no more after several bad meetings but I always drag myself back in. 100% I agree with your thoughts on BP and CL. No doubt they've been great in some ways and horrible in other ways. I've been around 10 years in the hobby and I've definitely noticed the difference.

At times it seems the hunt is more thrilling than the catch. The girl opens the door and you're like I wouldn't look twice if we were in the real world and yet here I am forking over at least $100. Will this experience be memorable? Most of them aren't.

[NoDamage]

So that WAS ivy. Ok.

I will probably go back again some time if they are still around, thru seem to be getting a little carless with things.

Can't be 100% certain, but it does sound like her. I agree; they are getting careless over there. I might try the duo next week to cross it 'off the list' and then call it quits on that place.

I'll post a review if I do. I'm guessing it will be about the same as the last guy who tried it and posted. I. e. Both the girls are there, but they barely acknowledge each other. Hardly seems worth it, but I'm worried I will regret it later if I don't take the shot. Still on the fence about it.

[Mad Jockey]

Been seeing the same SA girl since December. She is no longer on SA, and our arrangement has turned into dating. So I spend my $ on dinners, lunches and gifts. So it's like I'm still paying for it, but I feel less guilty. I have also seen hot blonde named Alyssa. Been thinking about hooking up with Skyler again. Let my SA membership expire, but it looks like there is some nice new talent. May sign up for another month to find a couple more.

Is AlyssaJJ608 the hot blonde? PM me please with her details.

[DreamerMan]

I think that was ivy. Coco is at least a couple of inches taller and skinny as hell. Also, ivy will scub you off in the shower and dry you afterwords. Coco left it up to me to clean up. But, YMMV.

I'm kinda tired of this place and not sure I'll be going back. On the way out last time, the girls suggested a duo (ivy was watching TV on the couch), but I dunno. Not feeling it, and another member mentioned they won't touch each other.



Out of curiosity, did you tip her before hand? I always wait until I'm leaving.

So that WAS ivy. Ok.

I will probably go back again some time if they are still around, thru seem to be getting a little carless with things.

[Mad Jockey]

One of the last incalls I did was not around here, but this is how it went down. I contacted a BP gal that had an ad saying 19. Younger than I actually prefer, but I got no responses from others. Set the date and she asks me to me her in a park half a block away from her apartment. Fake pics when I showed up but the pics showed like a 7 or 8 and she was probably still a 5 or 6, so I stayed. I walked with her back to the apartment. Seemed like a normal, nice girl. Once inside, she promptly asked for the donation so I complied. She said she'd go get comfortable and asked that I do the same. Now, I don't ever take that bait. I stayed fully clothed and I only took my shoes off. She headed up the stairs in her apartment I assumed to change. I sat in her living room recliner and watched TV. Several minutes passed and something was definitely up. Probably at least 15 min. So, I stood up in the chair and went to look up the stairs when I see there's a guy on the stairs with a phone that I assume he intended to use as a camera watching me. As soon as he sees that I noticed him he bolts down the stairs towards me. Now I assume at this point he may be questioning his plan. I'm 6'2" about 200 lbs and in pretty good shape for my age. He's a somewhat scrawny druggy at probably 5'8" and maybe 150 lbs soaking wet. I did not back away and I did not run out which I'm sure was his goal. So, he gets right in my face before saying anything then starts screaming and spitting asking why I'm in his place. I calmly replied that I was invited in by a girl that I assumed lived there. He says she's only 16 and you were going to mess with a minor. I said bullshit. Show me her I'd. She told me she was 19. Plus, this girl did not look under 18. He ignored this and started going on and on about having cameras all over the apartment and calling the police. At which point I started laughing at him and I said I'm not stupid. If the cops did come, they'd find the drugs you have here. At this point, I believe he's wondering how he is going to get me out of his apartment. So, it's January and he heads to the front door, opens it, and chucks my shoes 20 yards out the door. That was it for me. I calmly walked over and grabbed him by the throat against the wall. I said if you think I'm walking through 6 inches of snow in 0 degree weather to get those, you are mistaken. Then I told him if he wanted me to leave. He only had to do 2 things. Go get my shoes and give me my money back. He started to argue so I shoved him out the door. He retrieves the shoes and heads upstairs. I'm somewhat worried about a weapon so I follow, but he enters a room and shuts the door. So, I'm thinking the money isn't worth it at this point and I'm headed down the stairs to get out. He comes out of the room and says here is half your money. I asked where's the rest. He said they already spent it because she had a dealer come to their back door while I was there. At this point, I'd had enough and just left, but I wonder how many guys they'd pulled this hoax on successfully. He was obviously waiting for me to get comfortable and take pictures for blackmail. This happened about a year ago in Lincoln, NE. It's the only time I've ever been robbed, but I've showed up to plenty of incalls with fake pictures and poor service. Think about it. If you're using fake pics, you don't want to show up for an outcall. The client would simply not let you in. I've also been shuffled out of incalls after 15 min. Another thing that can't happen at outcall. She can leave early and I can complain but she can't push me out of my outcall. I've also showed up at incalls and found someone hiding in the bathroom. It's usually a gf of theirs but who cares. It's weird, and it can't happen if you're doing outcall. Cash and dash is possible with either in or outcall, but many types of robberies that these lowlifes conjure up are not possible at an outcall. Paying $60-$80 for a cheap hotel is a small price to pay for my safety. So, I've been in the hobby for about 10 years. And my experiences have improved when I started doing all first time visits as outcall. And I get your point about the girls being safer. But, how much are you willing to do for these gals to give them money? We are the customer, and they know the risks when they go into this. A popular hobbyist site lists one of the reasons that escorts get $$$ per hour because they are taking risks with LE and their safety. And I agree with that, so they should be willing to take those risks or they should not be charging so much $$ I'd say you are extremely lucky only having one occurrence in 20 years. I don't think that is anywhere near the average unless you are seeing one girl per year. I'd say I've been ripped off in one way or another about 1 out of 5 meetings with a new escort. Since I started doing outcalls, 0 in about 20 meetings. So, it works for me. And I've saved enough money to cover the hotel costs IMO.

When I first started hobbying I traveled for work, so most of my dates were out of town. I found TER and this site helpful as well as EROS in weeding out the fakes. Back then though it seemed to be a "cleaner" sport I don't remember Craigs List and BP were not around like they are now. Here we had a local board, Heaven or Hell and a shorter lived site WI Nights, both had good intel from locals and the girls on there were more local but some were visiting ladies. At one time we had it pretty good around here, a good stable of local ladies, some came from around the state on a regular schedule. But the going rate was also higher, the norm was $300 and a few were $200 hour, no halfs. So could the advent of CL and BP have helped the price, yes. Has it effected the quality of provider. To a degree I'd say so but it has brought in more scammers, fake ad and the like. I've been careful in my research and dealings which may be the reason I've been "lucky". I may pass on a provider if my gut tells me to. Having issues with 1 out of 5 dates seems high to me I'd be re-thinking the hobby LOL. Sounds like you found a new system that works for you. Out call can still bring its issues, fakes are still possible, cash and dash possible even violence. Lets face it, this can be a great fun time or the worse day of your life, to some degree it a roll of the dice. Play safe and go get that pussy!

[RandomMadison]

Been seeing the same SA girl since December. She is no longer on SA, and our arrangement has turned into dating. So I spend my $ on dinners, lunches and gifts. So it's like I'm still paying for it, but I feel less guilty. I have also seen hot blonde named Alyssa. Been thinking about hooking up with Skyler again. Let my SA membership expire, but it looks like there is some nice new talent. May sign up for another month to find a couple more.

Sorry if this is a dumb question but what does SA stand for? I have seen it a lot on this thread and can't figure it out and I have been out of the loop for a while now.

Does anyone have great recommendations for a massage and something extra?

[Howard5354]

Been seeing the same SA girl since December. She is no longer on SA, and our arrangement has turned into dating. So I spend my $ on dinners, lunches and gifts. So it's like I'm still paying for it, but I feel less guilty. I have also seen hot blonde named Alyssa. Been thinking about hooking up with Skyler again. Let my SA membership expire, but it looks like there is some nice new talent. May sign up for another month to find a couple more.

Looks like you have mo booty than you can handle. Go get this pussy while it lasts.

[DowntownMad]

Any good finds on SA?

Been seeing the same SA girl since December. She is no longer on SA, and our arrangement has turned into dating. So I spend my $ on dinners, lunches and gifts. So it's like I'm still paying for it, but I feel less guilty. I have also seen hot blonde named Alyssa. Been thinking about hooking up with Skyler again. Let my SA membership expire, but it looks like there is some nice new talent. May sign up for another month to find a couple more.

[NoDamage]

I went there specifically​ to see Ivy because I read a great review about her on here. I'm not sure if it was Ivy I couldn't really understand when she said her name. I was the only dude there when I first arrived and there was a girl laying on the couch, I didn't get a good look at her. The one I was seeing was maybe 5'2" ish, and maybe a 6 , we went upstairs and I gave her the donation with a small tip. She scrubbed me up in the shower.

Then gave me a half way decent back rub, flipped me over, BBBJ, cowgirl, mish, doggy, light kissing then a shower. All in all it was ok.

I think that was ivy. Coco is at least a couple of inches taller and skinny as hell. Also, ivy will scub you off in the shower and dry you afterwords. Coco left it up to me to clean up. But, YMMV.

I'm kinda tired of this place and not sure I'll be going back. On the way out last time, the girls suggested a duo (ivy was watching TV on the couch), but I dunno. Not feeling it, and another member mentioned they won't touch each other.

Out of curiosity, did you tip her before hand? I always wait until I'm leaving.

[DreamerMan]

I went there specifically​ to see Ivy because I read a great review about her on here. I'm not sure if it was Ivy I couldn't really understand when she said her name. I was the only dude there when I first arrived and there was a girl laying on the couch, I didn't get a good look at her. The one I was seeing was maybe 5'2" ish, and maybe a 6 , we went upstairs and I gave her the donation with a small tip. She scrubbed me up in the shower.

Then gave me a half way decent back rub, flipped me over, BBBJ, cowgirl, mish, doggy, light kissing then a shower. All in all it was ok.

It was NOT a BBBJ, was a CBJ.

[ToolMan347]

We went back and forth yesterday. No details but she did say the photos are her, she is off Fish Hatch Rd. I asked if she is visiting or lives here and she said live here. 150 hr. 250 hr.

If you see her, let us know. I have no problem seeing her, but my feeling on her was that at minimum her pics are fake. And they all live here till they decide to leave next week so I take that with a grain of salt.

[ToolMan347]

Huh, been involved in this thing we call a hobby for 20 plus years and have not had the experience you speak of. Yes I've ran into a fake photo that pictured a skinny white girl when the door opened a short fat black gal was there. And No I can't say for sure all the photos in ads were real but a very close representation of the actual goods. I've found that incall is more convient for the lady, safer for her for the most part. It's more convenient and cheaper for most hobbies as well. I've been ripped off at an outcall, I went into the bathroom and when I came out, they (double) were both gone. Lucky all they took was the money. The laptop, Phone and other stuff they left.

One of the last incalls I did was not around here, but this is how it went down. I contacted a BP gal that had an ad saying 19. Younger than I actually prefer, but I got no responses from others. Set the date and she asks me to me her in a park half a block away from her apartment. Fake pics when I showed up but the pics showed like a 7 or 8 and she was probably still a 5 or 6, so I stayed. I walked with her back to the apartment. Seemed like a normal, nice girl. Once inside, she promptly asked for the donation so I complied. She said she'd go get comfortable and asked that I do the same. Now, I don't ever take that bait. I stayed fully clothed and I only took my shoes off. She headed up the stairs in her apartment I assumed to change. I sat in her living room recliner and watched TV. Several minutes passed and something was definitely up. Probably at least 15 min. So, I stood up in the chair and went to look up the stairs when I see there's a guy on the stairs with a phone that I assume he intended to use as a camera watching me. As soon as he sees that I noticed him he bolts down the stairs towards me. Now I assume at this point he may be questioning his plan. I'm 6'2" about 200 lbs and in pretty good shape for my age. He's a somewhat scrawny druggy at probably 5'8" and maybe 150 lbs soaking wet. I did not back away and I did not run out which I'm sure was his goal. So, he gets right in my face before saying anything then starts screaming and spitting asking why I'm in his place. I calmly replied that I was invited in by a girl that I assumed lived there. He says she's only 16 and you were going to mess with a minor. I said bullshit. Show me her I'd. She told me she was 19. Plus, this girl did not look under 18. He ignored this and started going on and on about having cameras all over the apartment and calling the police. At which point I started laughing at him and I said I'm not stupid. If the cops did come, they'd find the drugs you have here. At this point, I believe he's wondering how he is going to get me out of his apartment. So, it's January and he heads to the front door, opens it, and chucks my shoes 20 yards out the door. That was it for me. I calmly walked over and grabbed him by the throat against the wall. I said if you think I'm walking through 6 inches of snow in 0 degree weather to get those, you are mistaken. Then I told him if he wanted me to leave. He only had to do 2 things. Go get my shoes and give me my money back. He started to argue so I shoved him out the door. He retrieves the shoes and heads upstairs. I'm somewhat worried about a weapon so I follow, but he enters a room and shuts the door. So, I'm thinking the money isn't worth it at this point and I'm headed down the stairs to get out. He comes out of the room and says here is half your money. I asked where's the rest. He said they already spent it because she had a dealer come to their back door while I was there. At this point, I'd had enough and just left, but I wonder how many guys they'd pulled this hoax on successfully. He was obviously waiting for me to get comfortable and take pictures for blackmail. This happened about a year ago in Lincoln, NE. It's the only time I've ever been robbed, but I've showed up to plenty of incalls with fake pictures and poor service. Think about it. If you're using fake pics, you don't want to show up for an outcall. The client would simply not let you in. I've also been shuffled out of incalls after 15 min. Another thing that can't happen at outcall. She can leave early and I can complain but she can't push me out of my outcall. I've also showed up at incalls and found someone hiding in the bathroom. It's usually a gf of theirs but who cares. It's weird, and it can't happen if you're doing outcall. Cash and dash is possible with either in or outcall, but many types of robberies that these lowlifes conjure up are not possible at an outcall. Paying $60-$80 for a cheap hotel is a small price to pay for my safety. So, I've been in the hobby for about 10 years. And my experiences have improved when I started doing all first time visits as outcall. And I get your point about the girls being safer. But, how much are you willing to do for these gals to give them money? We are the customer, and they know the risks when they go into this. A popular hobbyist site lists one of the reasons that escorts get $$$ per hour because they are taking risks with LE and their safety. And I agree with that, so they should be willing to take those risks or they should not be charging so much $$ I'd say you are extremely lucky only having one occurrence in 20 years. I don't think that is anywhere near the average unless you are seeing one girl per year. I'd say I've been ripped off in one way or another about 1 out of 5 meetings with a new escort. Since I started doing outcalls, 0 in about 20 meetings. So, it works for me. And I've saved enough money to cover the hotel costs IMO.

[DreamerMan]

My current go-to took the day off and headed out of town. So, I decided to try Mcf again. Didn't see coco when she was here before, so picked her instead of ivy. She's skinny. Like, you can clearly see and feel her hip bones skinny. I don't really care for that. Girl needs to eat a burger or something. I am also on the skinny side, and her hip bones keep banging into mine; it actually kind of hurt. However, she would not do anything other than mish. I'm still a little sore in places I should not be sore in. Other than that, it was a nice session. She was into it / able to fake being into it.

I'd rate ivy 6/10 on appearance and I guess coco might be a 7/10. I'm a little turned off by her anorexic appearance though. If you like skinny Asians, you'll probably be happy.

No one else there when I got there or left. Coco told me I was the first visitor of the day. No attempt to rush me out or end the session early this time. So I guess, use your psychic abilities and try to go when no one else is.

Also. Are you guys tipping? Based on coco's surprise, I'm starting to think it's not common there. Maybe I've been wasting $. Whoops.

I went there specifically​ to see Ivy because I read a great review about her on here. I'm not sure if it was Ivy I couldn't really understand when she said her name. I was the only dude there when I first arrived and there was a girl laying on the couch, I didn't get a good look at her. The one I was seeing was maybe 5'2" ish, and maybe a 6 , we went upstairs and I gave her the donation with a small tip. She scrubbed me up in the shower.

Then gave me a half way decent back rub, flipped me over, BBBJ, cowgirl, mish, doggy, light kissing then a shower. All in all it was ok.

[Mad Jockey]

We went back and forth yesterday. No details but she did say the photos are her, she is off Fish Hatch Rd. I asked if she is visiting or lives here and she said live here. 150 hr. 250 hr.

That's 150 hhr.

[Member #6005]

I've been spending most of my $ on college girls found on SA. I need something new. Any prospects?

Any good finds on SA?