Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Fdx17]

Once, a session ended early, because, as the lady and I were getting undressed, she said, "Aren't you related to. ," a friend of hers outside of the hobby / business, and we decided that we couldn't go through with it.

I am sure it happens that some of the ladies we encounter knows someone we know but that would freak me out.

I think you did the right thing. I could not imagine if some one in my family were to say "Oh provider so and so said you stopped by. Did you have a good time?

I try my best to stay anonymous. If it happened to me I probably would not come out for a while.

Now go have fun.

Fdx.

[Golden3]

I don't usually tip independent providers (I am not going into the question of whether they are truly independent. I consider them to be independent if they make their own appointments). On a few occasions, when I have seen a particular lady several times, I may bring a gift. I do tip massage parlor ladies. That is part of the whole deal there.

Part of my judgment about whether or not I feel safe in a place is whether or not I am willing to leave my car parked there for an hour or so. I have a parking tag from my work, and I take it down when I am pursuing the hobby. Probably doesn't make much difference, because my license plate is the real identifier, but I do it anyway.

On two occasions, I have been out with members of my family and encountered providers whom I have used. On one occasion, we passed each other on the street. On the other, the provider was working in a restaurant where I ate. In both cases, we ignored each other. I don't even know if they recognized me, but I recognized them. Once, a session ended early, because, as the lady and I were getting undressed, she said, "Aren't you related to. ," a friend of hers outside of the hobby / business, and we decided that we couldn't go through with it.

[IslandDreams]

I then told him what Crissee had texted me earlier that day. I had texted her "I love all the gossip on the Octagon, don't you? I was surprised when she responded, her first response in weeks, with "Yep reading gossip reminds me of the girls bathroom in Jr High. Amazing how spiteful and nasty people get for attention but you got to do what you got to do to fulfill whatever emptiness one may have inside. I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it".

Mongers experiences with her are much more that a bunch of High school girls talking in the bathroom.

Its sharing experiences of how dangerous she is including, theft from other mongers, turning in drug dealers and being instrumental in sending them to prison, comments from her own family that she may have killed her father, being an active drug addict and placing everyone that she is with at risk, turning her ex brother in law into ICE and getting him deported, actively working with LEO to diminish her charges. And on and on. Those are not rumors a bunch of high school girls talk about those are personal experiences many of us have had, including me. When I quit seeing her it was because she felt invincible (after all she was THE Crissee) and her last comment is absolutely true " I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it". Most business women work hard at making sure their brand is not tainted, not her.

Like I said before, pick anyone you want to play with including her, but whether it is her or any other woman, do your research and know what risk your putting yourself in.

[UOnlyLiveOnce]

I have been doing this for 6 months and being careful and picky on who I choose to see I have not had any serious issues. Have some questions for everyone out there.

How often and how much do you tip a provider? Do you tip on a first visit or only after you have seen her a time or two?

I often as the provider if I can bring them anything on my way. Typically it's a coffee or soda of some type which is no big deal. A few weeks ago I stopped at McDs to get a drink for someone. As I walked in I saw a friend of mine, no big deal, I have a good excuse for being where I was. But it got me thinking, to what extent to you go to make sure you can't be recognized or your car recognized anywhere?

I don't monger close to home. But I do have some small recognizable things on my car. Do you take these things off? Or don't worry about it?

I don't usually tip. When I do, it's because I didn't have the exact amount on me, so I end up tipping by default. I prefer to keep it simple and not create an expectation that I have more than what I really do.

I have an old car that I keep partly because it's great for mongering. It won't stand out in a lower income neighborhood or notel parking lot, but it's still in good enough shape that it won't draw attention in a nicer area either. When possible, I park out of sight from the provider's place about a block away and walk over. If you're talking about a distinctive bumper sticker or something like that, you may want to get rid of it. You never know which providers have lurkers close by.

I've encountered a provider in public only once in the last 5-6 years. This provider is no longer active. It was very close to a place I was working at the time, so I was worried she'd put two and two together and find me through social media or something. She definitely recognized me and her demeanor was unfriendly, but she didn't say anything and I acted as though I didn't recognize her. Not sure why she gave me a bad vibe, as our one encounter was ok. I guess she was afraid I would out her or she didn't feel too good about having been a provider.

[HuntLadys29]

I don't think any of them saw me, but I saw them. If they were alone, I may have said something. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate one of us approaching them, when they are with someone. Just as you or I wouldn't appreciate them approaching us.

When Remmy & I used to go to the Race track she'd always say In a whisper, "oh I see one of my clients" she never did anything to bring attention to any of them. I think in most cases even if both parties see each other it will be nothing more than a glance or a smile and that'd be it.

One, that I saw a couple times at the Taco Bell in Cov, was Fantacy Fancy aka Felicia. She has disappeared. Anyone know about her where abouts or well being? She was always super cool with me. Not to mention she could suck the chrome off a Harley. I hope she is well. If anyone knows her contact info and cares to share, pm me.

Funny you should mention Fantacy Fancy haven't heard that name in a while, she had the biggest clit I've seen in a while. I saw Little Allie once at a Thorntons I was with the wife she just smiled and said nothing. I wonder what happened to her I know she ripped some people off but I never had a problem with her, she even came to my house a few times never anything missing. She was very cool once you got to know her. HL29.

[CoriCooper]

The other thing I wonder a what if situation is. After I meet her and it goes good or bad and pass one another in public what coild happen or be said / or they had a SO with them. As always you never know. Be safe and think with the big head as well.

The answer to this, whether you are a man or woman-- is keep your mouth shut and keep on walking. Discretion is the name of the game. There is no reason that we should be speaking at Walmart or Applebee's. Nothing good comes from a lack of discretion and you never know what is going on the personal lives of others!!

[Member #6963]

If your addicted friend wrote that then she has some pretty lucid moments and apparently sees you in a different light than your close friend. Would probably be a good session for you and the shrink to discuss. Your post do tend to be vindictive and obsessed. If you want to report about someone using report it then let it go. If mongers still want to see them its on them. After your Ursula writing your credibility on the drug issue is suspect. You don't help addiction by taking a person to their pharmacies. As far as this being for principle addicts have none and you know this. If your going to give money to addicts quit crying when you don't get it back because you know its lost. Make your post about known addicts and move on. You might also touch on the drama issue with the shrink. That seems like something that you relish and actively seek out.

She has very lucid moments, that's the times I saw the true potential in her. Of course she doesn't see me in the same light as my friend because she was caught being a liar and a master at deception. Active addicts hate it when they are caught and called out on their addictive behavior. You see vindictive and obsessed, I see passionate resolve. Ursula was a unique situation, something that most people could never understand. However if you really read the story, you would remember that I admitted my mistakes and my enabling behavior. I never cried about the money with Crissee, hell I even joked about it. Money was never the issue. As far as the drama, well as my friend has said in the past, you have always been the crusader not the pragmatist. I keep him around because he is pragmatic and I keep hoping some of it will rub off on me.

Now here is a suggestion for you. If you don't like what is on television stop watching the same distasteful show and change the channel to something more palatable. The same goes for my posts.

[DennyTime]

It is always a chance you will be seem. My fear is my vechile will get messed with or damaged while I am busy inside. The other thing I wonder a what if situation is. After I meet her and it goes good or bad and pass one another in public what coild happen or be said / or they had a SO with them. As always you never know. Be safe and think with the big head as well.

That has happened with me and a local provider. Luckily she is very cool and didn't say anything. Smile and move on.

[BuyingSmiles]

It is always a chance you will be seem. My fear is my vechile will get messed with or damaged while I am busy inside. The other thing I wonder a what if situation is. After I meet her and it goes good or bad and pass one another in public what coild happen or be said / or they had a SO with them. As always you never know. Be safe and think with the big head as well.

I don't think any of them saw me, but I saw them. If they were alone, I may have said something. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate one of us approaching them, when they are with someone. Just as you or I wouldn't appreciate them approaching us.

When Remmy & I used to go to the Race track she'd always say In a whisper, "oh I see one of my clients" she never did anything to bring attention to any of them. I think in most cases even if both parties see each other it will be nothing more than a glance or a smile and that'd be it.

One, that I saw a couple times at the Taco Bell in Cov, was Fantacy Fancy aka Felicia. She has disappeared. Anyone know about her where abouts or well being? She was always super cool with me. Not to mention she could suck the chrome off a Harley. I hope she is well. If anyone knows her contact info and cares to share, pm me.

[Velvet Rayne]

Who left there phone out and about so your fiance could get a hold of it? I just got this message " How do you know my fiance?" First time ever in this hobby for me.

I only have one thing to say, " Gentlemen hide your phone's, delete your messages, bury your burner phone. I do not like to be put in this spot. ".

VR.

[TapThat]

I have been doing this for 6 months and being careful and picky on who I choose to see I have not had any serious issues. Have some questions for everyone out there.

How often and how much do you tip a provider? Do you tip on a first visit or only after you have seen her a time or two?

I often as the provider if I can bring them anything on my way. Typically it's a coffee or soda of some type which is no big deal. A few weeks ago I stopped at McDs to get a drink for someone. As I walked in I saw a friend of mine, no big deal, I have a good excuse for being where I was. But it got me thinking, to what extent to you go to make sure you can't be recognized or your car recognized anywhere?

I don't monger close to home. But I do have some small recognizable things on my car. Do you take these things off? Or don't worry about it?

It is always a chance you will be seem. My fear is my vechile will get messed with or damaged while I am busy inside. The other thing I wonder a what if situation is. After I meet her and it goes good or bad and pass one another in public what coild happen or be said / or they had a SO with them. As always you never know. Be safe and think with the big head as well.

[CinciScubaDude]

I have been doing this for 6 months and being careful and picky on who I choose to see I have not had any serious issues. Have some questions for everyone out there.

How often and how much do you tip a provider? Do you tip on a first visit or only after you have seen her a time or two?

I often as the provider if I can bring them anything on my way. Typically it's a coffee or soda of some type which is no big deal. A few weeks ago I stopped at McDs to get a drink for someone. As I walked in I saw a friend of mine, no big deal, I have a good excuse for being where I was. But it got me thinking, to what extent to you go to make sure you can't be recognized or your car recognized anywhere?

I don't monger close to home. But I do have some small recognizable things on my car. Do you take these things off? Or don't worry about it?

[John HandCock]

I read this post and thought, wow this is a good analogy of some aspects of my life. It was well written, intellectual with some truly insightful thoughts and comments. It made me step back and think to the point that I discussed it with a very good monger friend of mine who knows me very well. His comment about it was. "That from an outsiders viewpoint, someone who would read a few of your posts, that would be the normal conclusion of the average reader. However they don't know you like I do and they don't know what you have been through or had to deal with over the past few years. They don't know where your heart truly is".

I then told him what Crissee had texted me earlier that day. I had texted her "I love all the gossip on the Octagon, don't you? I was surprised when she responded, her first response in weeks, with "Yep reading gossip reminds me of the girls bathroom in Jr High. Amazing how spiteful and nasty people get for attention but you got to do what you got to do to fulfill whatever emptiness one may have inside. I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it".

We both reached the same conclusion that it's very possible that this post and her text had some very similar verbiage. A similar analogy. It was also interesting that the monger that posted this has only two other posts in the past two weeks in the mongers in search or thread. Both of those posts could have been a provider inquiry looking for a partner for duos. That being said I really don't know if this is a long time lurker with new posts or Crissee. It really doesn't make any difference either way because the intellect behind the post is good and Crissee has a very intellectual side when she want's use it.

So my short answer to the post is thank you for your insight. Yes I am involved in other organizations that help addicts. I am a long time member of NA and Nar-Anon as well as other organizations that work with addicts in many ways. I find it fulfilling. I try not to see addicts, but as we all know, sometimes it's difficult to determine that until you meet them. When I discover they are addicts, I stop seeing them. However, even then addicts, like Crissee, are great liars and deception is paramount. The key here is am I like the Tinder example. I do play the "Good Guy" however when I get a match and I don't get a response, I move on. The reason is because it's only a simple inquiry, nothing more. Why get pissed at someone you know nothing about. Crissee however, was not an inquiry, when sober, she showed me a side of her that gave me hope that she was on the path to regaining her humanity. That in itself is worth the fight, the posts, the embarrassment of myself on this board. I have nothing to lose but my reputation and that would only be with those that don't truly know me. Yet she has everything to gain if something good, something clean, something positive results from my behavior.

So whether the above post is Crissee or a monger named Eajry. Thank you for the insight it was a pleasure to interact with your intellect.

If your addicted friend wrote that then she has some pretty lucid moments and apparently sees you in a different light than your close friend. Would probably be a good session for you and the shrink to discuss. Your post do tend to be vindictive and obsessed. If you want to report about someone using report it then let it go. If mongers still want to see them its on them. After your Ursula writing your credibility on the drug issue is suspect. You don't help addiction by taking a person to their pharmacies. As far as this being for principle addicts have none and you know this. If your going to give money to addicts quit crying when you don't get it back because you know its lost. Make your post about known addicts and move on. You might also touch on the drama issue with the shrink. That seems like something that you relish and actively seek out.

[Member #6963]

"People just aren't that affiliative. Everyone is working an angle, and in most cases altruism is non-existent. While I don't know you, the behavior I see follows a predictive path. You offer yourself up as a savior to these girls, and when they don't respond appropriately, you become coercive and spiteful. Filling pages of the forum about them, mainly trying to punish them. Example here:

The personality type is very, very easy to identify. It's kinda like the "good guy" angle people play, or I see on tinder, how they're a nice guy and they get a match, don't get a response from their "Hey, what's going on?" message, and proceed to say things "your just like the rest stupid ****, always chasing the ass holes". Like lmao, the most contradicting shit I've ever seen! It's unbelievable. This is no different; its borderline sociopathic even- where the guy doesn't get the response that aligned with their intentions, and proceed to be vengeful, spiteful, and malicious in all there intents, in order to get back at them. All while trying to play this fucking card as if they're doing the right thing to help them. No, ironically you're not. If you want to TRULY help them, you wouldn't see a single, fucking, one of these people. Stop the fucking facade, the only person you're fooling is, at best, yourself.

And if you / really / want to help addicts, guess what, there's places that you can do that! Rooms, service centers, churches, prisons- there are plenty of people on the front line that genuinely need help. They have to be seeking it though. Recovery is for the people that want it, not the ones that need it. But I know you know this, or you should if you're this self-righteous healer and prosperity provider that you assert you are. Your motives are spoken by your actions- and going through a few posts indicates your personality type is easily identifiable as the previous fore mentioned "good guy". It comes down to this cycle, that you quite honestly have probably practiced in your real relationships as well.

Expectation. Motive - Unmet Expectation / Possibly hurt feelings (key) - Spite and retaliation to those that hurt / didn't meet expectations. When you wan't to objectively look at your own actions and own part in any or all of this, you can make progression in correcting your behavior, and possibly even attain a zen moment where you're like "Holy shit, I was in the wrong". Until then, stop the childish posting attacking them (and the mongers that are feeding their addiction! Crowning yourself as this savior is so fake and so absolutely appalling that it's embarrassing and not attractive.

I read this post and thought, wow this is a good analogy of some aspects of my life. It was well written, intellectual with some truly insightful thoughts and comments. It made me step back and think to the point that I discussed it with a very good monger friend of mine who knows me very well. His comment about it was. "That from an outsiders viewpoint, someone who would read a few of your posts, that would be the normal conclusion of the average reader. However they don't know you like I do and they don't know what you have been through or had to deal with over the past few years. They don't know where your heart truly is".

I then told him what Crissee had texted me earlier that day. I had texted her "I love all the gossip on the Octagon, don't you? I was surprised when she responded, her first response in weeks, with "Yep reading gossip reminds me of the girls bathroom in Jr High. Amazing how spiteful and nasty people get for attention but you got to do what you got to do to fulfill whatever emptiness one may have inside. I don't pay it no mind I don't even read it".

We both reached the same conclusion that it's very possible that this post and her text had some very similar verbiage. A similar analogy. It was also interesting that the monger that posted this has only two other posts in the past two weeks in the mongers in search or thread. Both of those posts could have been a provider inquiry looking for a partner for duos. That being said I really don't know if this is a long time lurker with new posts or Crissee. It really doesn't make any difference either way because the intellect behind the post is good and Crissee has a very intellectual side when she want's use it.

So my short answer to the post is thank you for your insight. Yes I am involved in other organizations that help addicts. I am a long time member of NA and Nar-Anon as well as other organizations that work with addicts in many ways. I find it fulfilling. I try not to see addicts, but as we all know, sometimes it's difficult to determine that until you meet them. When I discover they are addicts, I stop seeing them. However, even then addicts, like Crissee, are great liars and deception is paramount. The key here is am I like the Tinder example. I do play the "Good Guy" however when I get a match and I don't get a response, I move on. The reason is because it's only a simple inquiry, nothing more. Why get pissed at someone you know nothing about. Crissee however, was not an inquiry, when sober, she showed me a side of her that gave me hope that she was on the path to regaining her humanity. That in itself is worth the fight, the posts, the embarrassment of myself on this board. I have nothing to lose but my reputation and that would only be with those that don't truly know me. Yet she has everything to gain if something good, something clean, something positive results from my behavior.

So whether the above post is Crissee or a monger named Eajry. Thank you for the insight it was a pleasure to interact with your intellect.

[Hillbilly Bob]

I would like a little feedback on a couple of questions. Regarding my low post count I can assure you that I have been around the block a few times and I still miss the ole girl from Erlanger and Dani from Cov. Question # 1 Lets say you made a appointment yesterday for a dream today at 10 am, do you wait to hear from back from them on the morning or do you hit the road and send them some text along the way since it will take a hour to get there. Question #2 How many text are to many, I sent three during that hour in witch Busty Red finely responded at 10:15 text stating "she over slept""and"why I would come without talking to her Hun" and then she went crickets on me so who is wrong. By the way this would have been my third visit with her. Question #3 why can't they just phone you instead of a sorry ass text, I would like to hear a voice at times. Question#4 Does't 10 mean 10 or is it 10:25? I did text back and told her I'll stay close and get back to me. She did text back at 10;50 thanking me for my business but she will pass from now on Ha Ha. So now I'm blackballed with her since she can't keep time. Sorry about all of this just had to get it off of my.

Chest. Be safe out there.

This is normal for her. I have seen her 2 times first when she was UTR and again after she started posting. Tried a couple times after that and got the run around. As others have said always get a confirmation before leaving. If you are traveling very far always have a couple other providers numbers in the same area so its not a total loss even if they were not your first choice.