Massage Parlor Reports

[Zillow]

So I contacted her via text and no response. My experience is that she generally responds no more than a few hours later. I asked her if she left the business after she left Luxsa and she said no. Maybe this time is different? Anyone with the facts care to share?

[Miketastic69]

None of those could work because they would be in the hands of customers, let me tell you guys something that a "regular" did to a provider. Uncle went in and they took the provider away from the monger, they asked her if she had at any time touched or done anything for him other than a massage, she obviously said no, however when they asked the monger he said yes because they told him he'd be in trouble and his family would find out, etc etc, so they basically scared the answer out of him. Bottom point is she was busted along with other ladies now if this happens to owners it is a big deal and more charges are placed on them, they get scared girls don't want to work for them and they don't want to work inside their spa out of fear, now this next part is something you seasoned brothers might be reluctant to believe but I talk nothing but facts. The Chinese massage community know each other the community is much much smaller than you all think and owners / providers who haven't seen each other even in pictures know each other based on their Chinese name / family name and such I have a few contacts that find information for me that I can corroborate and even when they don't know the person I ask information about when and if they ask someone else or talk to provider themselves, thy recognize the dialect and know which area of China they are from and can find out things like, if are they married, have good credit, previous owner's referral, have they stolen from an owner (there many who have done this), do they have a family here, how many children and siblings they have, if they own a house, if they have a lot of money, one owner / provider shares personal information with a friend and that friend shares is with another etc, thing is everyone knows each other and as hard to believe as it is if your atf has been working all her life in Orange County, she can easily learn who a provider / owner from any cities is by just making a few calls, this has created arguments across cities in Florida and when talent comes from out of state that creates a link that goes cross state and it's just a huge mess, the important part is if there was a code or punch card even an owner could turn that information to LEO so this is more complex than just coming up with a simple way, last night I spoke to another owner in Orange County and she is going to set a list of owners who are "sisters" to her, this is the only way, if an owner has enough dirty with evidence on another they cannot backstab each other without anyone finding out in this small community, I know a lot of providers who are thieves and have stolen thousands and thousands from owners, so basically the owners I'm planning to link would be friends and even if they at some point have a dispute they cannot turn each other in because others would turn said person in out of fear she might backstab them others will do the same so that means either all the ones who I link work together or all go down at the same time and I've been around them enough (1 1/2 years in this hobby) to learn and meet key people I am glad I met 3 specific providers who are no longer working in the biz but are a link to providers, sorry for the long post brothers so I'll finish with a question, for those who were able to visit the old Lussis spa when Eva"Ivy", Judy, Joy worked there. How many of you met the actual owner? I don't mean the one mamasan, those who answer I greatly appreciate it, if you don't want to answer it in the forums send me a PM.

If the monger talks it's a game changer. They now have a non LEO witness that something actually took place. And they can lie to you and say your face is going to be in the 5 o'clock news if you don't say something. Most people will be scared to have their reputation tarnished for their friends and family and employers to see.

[LurkerBo]

I saw that on Google as well. That happens when someone tells Google that a place is closed. Talk about cat fights. This sounds like a competitor telling Google so we don't go back there. You can submit a report to Google by clicking on the red "closed" banner and telling them it is open.

Be safe and have fun.

I can confirm that Bora Bora is NOT closed. I was there yesterday.

Bo.

[Gentleman 100]

Permanently shut down according to Google Maps anyway. I can't drive by to confirm in person since I don't get in town until Friday.

I saw that on Google as well. That happens when someone tells Google that a place is closed. Talk about cat fights. This sounds like a competitor telling Google so we don't go back there. You can submit a report to Google by clicking on the red "closed" banner and telling them it is open.

Be safe and have fun.

[KalaFina]

None of those could work because they would be in the hands of customers, let me tell you guys something that a "regular" did to a provider. Uncle went in and they took the provider away from the monger, they asked her if she had at any time touched or done anything for him other than a massage, she obviously said no, however when they asked the monger he said yes because they told him he'd be in trouble and his family would find out, etc etc, so they basically scared the answer out of him. Bottom point is she was busted along with other ladies now if this happens to owners it is a big deal and more charges are placed on them, they get scared girls don't want to work for them and they don't want to work inside their spa out of fear, now this next part is something you seasoned brothers might be reluctant to believe but I talk nothing but facts. The Chinese massage community know each other the community is much much smaller than you all think and owners / providers who haven't seen each other even in pictures know each other based on their Chinese name / family name and such I have a few contacts that find information for me that I can corroborate and even when they don't know the person I ask information about when and if they ask someone else or talk to provider themselves, thy recognize the dialect and know which area of China they are from and can find out things like, if are they married, have good credit, previous owner's referral, have they stolen from an owner (there many who have done this), do they have a family here, how many children and siblings they have, if they own a house, if they have a lot of money, one owner / provider shares personal information with a friend and that friend shares is with another etc, thing is everyone knows each other and as hard to believe as it is if your atf has been working all her life in Orange County, she can easily learn who a provider / owner from any cities is by just making a few calls, this has created arguments across cities in Florida and when talent comes from out of state that creates a link that goes cross state and it's just a huge mess, the important part is if there was a code or punch card even an owner could turn that information to LEO so this is more complex than just coming up with a simple way, last night I spoke to another owner in Orange County and she is going to set a list of owners who are "sisters" to her, this is the only way, if an owner has enough dirty with evidence on another they cannot backstab each other without anyone finding out in this small community, I know a lot of providers who are thieves and have stolen thousands and thousands from owners, so basically the owners I'm planning to link would be friends and even if they at some point have a dispute they cannot turn each other in because others would turn said person in out of fear she might backstab them others will do the same so that means either all the ones who I link work together or all go down at the same time and I've been around them enough (1 1/2 years in this hobby) to learn and meet key people I am glad I met 3 specific providers who are no longer working in the biz but are a link to providers, sorry for the long post brothers so I'll finish with a question, for those who were able to visit the old Lussis spa when Eva"Ivy", Judy, Joy worked there. How many of you met the actual owner? I don't mean the one mamasan, those who answer I greatly appreciate it, if you don't want to answer it in the forums send me a PM.

Kalafina, how about digital code? Like RQ or Barcode incripted. Then every 6 months or so they have a new code. I think that would work. The hard part would be to convince other owners. Thanks Geaknow.

[Geaknow]

Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.

Kalafina, how about digital code? Like RQ or Barcode incripted. Then every 6 months or so they have a new code. I think that would work. The hard part would be to convince other owners. Thanks Geaknow.

[Jdfewf]

So there is a new AMP on Gene st.

http://orlando.backpage.com/Therapeu...-9231/18748594

I TOFTT and had a decent experience. This is NOT CB or BB. . 7 for an hour. Tip for HE was. 6 - too much but I did not feel like arguing. Overall price was about what you pay elsewhere b / c the door fee was a little less. I was seen by Lisa. There is another girl Sissy? Who was coming in the door when I left. Neither are gorgeous, but Lisa's massage skills were excellent. They are not ugly either. The HE was a workout for her but she was persistent. . Sometimes that happens. Glad she kept going. She has large mm tits that are nice to play with. Tight workout pants stayed put but I managed some roaming with some effort.

Everything was new and very clean. No table shower yet, but I prefer the stand up anyhow to wash off after.

Lisa is very accommodating and wants to make people happy and is looking for more business. So you may get more for less, or not. As always, YMMV. I will likely repeat and see if it gets better, and see if I can get away with less $ out of my wallet. Harold is right around the corner and that is always a sure bet for a good massage where you will leave happy. All in all these places are fairly comparable.

I saw Lisa as well and will likely repeat. Left. 4 for the same ending. She was very nice and although she didn't remove her top / bottoms, she did pull up her shirt / pull down her bra for me as well as pull down her tights a little and allowed some over the undies roaming. She mentioned that there are currently 3 girls atm, but there will be more next time I come. Also, I think one of you all requested her as she cut my hr session short so she could tend to you, promising to massage me longer next time, but you know how that goes. There also seems to be more available if you repeat.

[Miketastic69]

Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.

Way back in the day spas had frequent flyer cards. When they got raided the cops now had cards they took from mongers that show you've been to this bawdy place or as Florida law states entered a place of prostitution x number of times (punches).

My neighbors car got broken into the same afternoon MBI hit BB. The suspects are still at large. Glad sexy Asian masseuses are no longer causing a menace. Facetious much?

[LurkerBo]

I feel the need to point out that Uncle LEO benefits from the news media stories of rumors. In all likelihood, the therapists will not be charged and are now fully lawyered up. Uncle Leo knows they don't have a case unless the therapists talk and give them the evidence they don't have. They are using fraudulent (but legal) tactics to get evidence. Uncle Leo can lie, cheat, and be deceptive. The news media is their willing accomplice (sort of like the Vichy French to the Nazis: look it up). Uncle Leo throws in all sorts of charges with no proof, with the sole intent of getting the victim to talk or admit to some charges.

Anyone can be charged with a crime. Proving it is what matters. No proof = charges dropped. Here is some very good information to know about your rights (printable info available): https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-youre-stopped-police-immigration-agents-or-fbi.

If the girls were not being careful, they will probably be replaced with those that are more discreet. Everyone gets pinched, but not everyone gets convicted. The services they previously offered will still be there.

The girls will be fine, BB will be fine, and we all can move along with our lives and have fun at our favorite places. Naturally, this is my learned, experienced, and humble opinion.

Be safe.

G, well said. To follow up on your message to us all, I stopped by today. The lady answering the door was friendly and wore more clothing than I was used to, but I was polite, pleasant, and then recognized as a frequent flyer. While they are very obviously more careful than before, all was well, and I dreamed a wonderful dream.

Be polite to our ladies, and be safe.

Bo.

[Miketastic69]

I believe its probably the Prep school / church right across the street. I'm sure the "Massage Parlor" issue came up quite a bit during PTA meetings. Sorry but that is just plain DUMB to open that location so close to a school. LE will keep hounding them until they close up shop.

Girls scouts of America is right down the street as well. I posted a few months back about a soccer mom yelling at me through the fence near CVS asking me what goes on in there. Do I believe she made a phone call or two? No. Do I believe other places ratted them out? Maybe. Coke and Pepsi coexist, so does Home Depot and lowes (Chrysler and ford). These places about coexist because it makes everything better for all.

[Ds1359]

Permanently shut down according to Google Maps anyway. I can't drive by to confirm in person since I don't get in town until Friday.

[KalaFina]

If owners weren't so "money hungry" they could work together which is something that rarely happens and I've literally witnessed a huge argument between 5 girls just 4 days ago telling each other "something bad is going to happen to you"just wait and see what you get", "we're going to call the police". The party was 1 vs2 vs2 and I was with 2 of them after everything was done they translated, during the fight the other girls were asking why are your girls threatening us, so that idea I have about linking statewide spas isn't as simple as someone might think and I need to talk only to certain owners at first then move onto the next ones.

[BoredFlGuy]

Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.

Great point!

[SA2222]

Reading the article, I note that the website 'chatter' was not what led LE to the location. Rather is was the 'tattle' of a proactive report, or complaint, directly to a tipster-hotline type of thing from a complainant that was actually a visitor and offered first hand observations (reportedly). The remarks about the fact that "Agents found a website. . . " have nothing to do with actual probable cause, nor will anything gleaned from that website be admissible anywhere other than media reports. All for the purpose of quieting down that 'chatter' (if you ask me).

If any competitor, or other nefarious person, is seeking to create problems for the place, whatever would be learned from website reports could possibly contribute to a fictional fabric built for those purposes. Otherwise, seeking to reduce reporting runs counter to the purpose of the board. . . In my humble opinion.

The video on that link says MBI mentioned that men were talking online about getting full service from there. That said, I agree with poster who said it had more to do with the location.

[Gentleman 100]

I couldn't agree more with your post (your other posts are also very reasonable). It is easier to blame the boogeyman rather than accept responsibility for a bad business decision. BB's location was less than ideal and a few patrons pointed this out a while back. The other occupants of the strip aren't stupid, they know what is going on and they did not hide the fact with the way they behaved. I don't buy the idea that a competitor or an undercover LE (pretending to be SM) initiated the investigation. It doesn't make sense to spare the other location if this is an investigation targeting the whole establishment.

It may be the neighbors, it may also be a competitor tattling (or both). I like the location of BB. Quiet street and good dim sum next door. I don't think we will every fully know the truth about who initiated the investigation, because I predict all charges will be dropped for lack of evidence.

I think this story has played itself out, and we can get back to our hobby again. Be safe everyone.