Massage Parlor Reports

[OldBoomer]

When I frequented parlors I would place my maximum tip under my sunglasses or watch. Depending on the service I would tip appropriately after getting dressed. Second the advice on not bringing anything more than the money you plan to spend into the AMP. No I'd or cell (real or burner). I prefer the incall body rub providers now though. No negotiation, not a hard target for LE, no pretense, no other dudes. More relaxing IMO. To each their own.

Like you, I have found the Body Rub Providers to be more consistent and high quality. The one item I miss is a good table shower. I visited on provider that gave a after rub scrub that was close, however the happiness was not that good. It would be nice to know if any of the Body Rub providers have a good substitute for the Table Shower and still provide a good haplessness at the end (or the beginning or the end or throughout! .

[Mongeroose]

When I frequented parlors I would place my maximum tip under my sunglasses or watch. Depending on the service I would tip appropriately after getting dressed. Second the advice on not bringing anything more than the money you plan to spend into the AMP. No I'd or cell (real or burner). I prefer the incall body rub providers now though. No negotiation, not a hard target for LE, no pretense, no other dudes. More relaxing IMO. To each their own.

[Hariending]

Is New Sky Therapy back open?

They never closed. One of the providers told me they would close for 2-3 weeks but they never close down. 4 girls working, Nana, Kay, Jenny and Yumi.

I would rate Nana the best, Kay next and the other two in OK category. Please try and report back.

Good luck.

[TX9693]

Is New Sky Therapy back open?

[DC002]

Actually I think we are all on the same page and agree you have to play it by ear.

Yes the providers are smart about tipping, usually. Probably your experience builds expertise and confidence, and they smell that. Usually paying the upfront from a small wad of bills that is the max you are prepared to pay works as well as anything. I don't personally like money discussions during a session. Strangely, when I offer amount up front, and I put it under my glasses / watch works, and they never have just taken it and I present at end and say thank you, wonderful time (which can be a 2 way street).

Important thing is to have a fun time and levity really helps.

Someone mentioned leaving bills sticking out of his wallet. I would never bring in with you anything more than what you would be willing to pay, maybe even distributed in several pockets. Then you become a better negotiator against a sob story or a please, please. Having said that, quality of the time there is most important as I am not a wam bam type of guy and my biggest sex organ is between my ears. But everyone has different needs.

New guys, just relax and have fun. To be pretty blunt, very niely, up front, I think they appreciate and relaxes them. You set expectations. And they might set your expectations differently, right back! And also if not attractive to you, polightly ask if other provider is there or say you are leaving. (I have gotten a provider that smelled of smoke and that will never happen again.)

They DO know why we come there and they know what services they will privide, so get the cat and mouse games out of the way of having fun. Basically don't be silly, but probably all that comes with multiple experiences. I felt the same uneasyness going to an escort. I just tell them that I am a little nervous and could they help and lead me through the process and teach me. They all like to teach in my experience, even if I now don't need too much training.

Enjoy 2017 . And share the info.

DC.

[Krakatoa]

I don't have a problem with what you're calling a middle way since, as you described, it's a form of signalling or communication rather than actually paying the tip in advance. I'm curious, however, about the specifics of how you display the $. Do you fan out or spread the bills in some way so the masseuse can clearly see whether the amount is $40/$60/$80/ etc? Just asking because that would seem to be necessary to avoid any misunderstanding. And then, if you take back some of the $ because the level of the service was less than hoped (ex. HJ only when you displayed 60/80), have you gotten any negative reactions?

Full confession: I've only done this a couple of times, but yes, I would fan the bills out so they could see the amount. I also have considered leaving bills sticking out of my wallet, so my possession is even more clear. But in truth, I normally just try to initiate communication in other ways, mostly by being flirtatious. I'm probably not as charming as you are, however.

One more note about case #3 where you know the provider. I had a long-time ATF who always wanted the tip up front, the logic being she didn't want to assume the level of service I wanted. Of course, I always wanted the best, but she wouldn't know when a customer might only have $40 to spend.

[JmSuttr]

I agree in general with Krakatoa. I try to get a communication going pre massage, pre TS. Usually leaning against table and doing a big hug. "Make me happy, very happy?" If I get positive vibes the rest I know will follow. Nicely. No drama and no tension. Nice for me.

On otherhand if no hug or warmth. Not tip up front. Maybe a promise, if nice time.

I say take me to Heaven!

Key is to develop rapport early. No rapport gets poor service.

DC.

Yes, I agree with you that communication and rapport are important. And I agree with Krakatoa that displaying the cash, without actually handing it over in advance, could be a useful tactic for some hobbyists when visiting a brand new spa and girl.

But no, I don't think it's ever advisable to pay before service is received. And I especially don't see any upside to tipping in advance when you're at an AMP you've visited before and where the girls know you. In fact, it's possible that could be counterproductive.

For example, you mentioned that all three girls at Angel say "Is that all?" even after you give them a generous tip. Have you ever considered the possibility (or probability) that they've compared notes about you and have figured out which buttons to push to get an extra Jackson-wrapped piece of candy? I've visited that establishment and gotten great service for standard rates and never gotten a BS question or attitude like that.

I know you probably think you're being a nice and generous client but don't rule out the possibility that you're being played a little bit. AMP girls can be sweet and sexy but they're also pretty damn shrewd when it comes to making money. If that's the case, then you're not doing yourself or other hobbyists any favors. And, if you're successful in building good rapport up front, then paying in advance shouldn't be necessary, even with new girls.

[JmSuttr]

The argument in favor of tipping in advance is that, in those situations where you don't know the provider, she also doesn't know you. She doesn't know for sure you are looking for HE, whether you are a cheapskate who is going to undertip, or, for that matter, whether you are LE. This leaves tension around the flip that is a distraction for both of you, diminishing your enjoyment of the first 75% of the massage.

As is often the case in life, there is a middle way. In these situations, I like to lay out what I am willing to spend but with my glasses or something else clearly belonging to me on top of it. That way we are communicating--without actually talking--and I maintain control of my money.

I don't have a problem with what you're calling a middle way since, as you described, it's a form of signalling or communication rather than actually paying the tip in advance. I'm curious, however, about the specifics of how you display the $. Do you fan out or spread the bills in some way so the masseuse can clearly see whether the amount is $40/$60/$80/ etc? Just asking because that would seem to be necessary to avoid any misunderstanding. And then, if you take back some of the $ because the level of the service was less than hoped (ex. HJ only when you displayed 60/80), have you gotten any negative reactions?

It's also good to keep in mind that AMP girls see multiple clients a day and learn pretty quickly how to size up their different personalities and tendencies. From the moment you walk in the door they're taking note of your appearance, what you're wearing, your demeanor, your confidence (or lack thereof) and figuring out whether you're likely to be LE or a cheapskate or a good client. That assessment continues into the TS and is one reason that, IME, many masseuses relax quite a bit once you allow (or request) a washing of the family jewels. Then once you're on the massage table they're probing and asking (You been here before? Who did you see?) as they continue their assessment. So, again IME, there's ample opportunity to establish rapport at the beginning of the session without having to show any money. Of course, with more experience that becomes easier and it helps tremendously if you're confident, polite, decently dressed and don't look like LE.

It's also true that MMS and AMP girls talk about clients all the time. So when I'm visiting a new girl at an AMP where the MMS (or another girl) knows me, I usually hear some conversation in their native language before the girl comes into the room. While I don't know for sure, I've always guessed that the new girl is being told that I'm a good client and not a cheapskate. In one particular AMP where the MMS took a liking to me, she told me she would even tell new girls about my personal preferences.

So I can see how in scenario #1 (new AMP, unknown girl) it could be a strategy to show the cash while not actually handing it over. But I see less need for that tactic in scenario #2 situations and absolutely no need for scenario #3.

As always, YMMV, and I personally haven't seen the need but every hobbyist has to make that call and at least you're retaining control of the cash in case the service doesn't measure up.

[DC002]

I agree in general with Krakatoa. I try to get a communication going pre massage, pre TS. Usually leaning against table and doing a big hug. "Make me happy, very happy?" If I get positive vibes the rest I know will follow. Nicely. No drama and no tension. Nice for me.

On otherhand if no hug or warmth. Not tip up front. Maybe a promise, if nice time.

I say take me to Heaven!

Key is to develop rapport early. No rapport gets poor service.

DC.

The argument in favor of tipping in advance is that, in those situations where you don't know the provider, she also doesn't know you. She doesn't know for sure you are looking for HE, whether you are a cheapskate who is going to undertip, or, for that matter, whether you are LE. This leaves tension around the flip that is a distraction for both of you, diminishing your enjoyment of the first 75% of the massage.

As is often the case in life, there is a middle way. In these situations, I like to lay out what I am willing to spend but with my glasses or something else clearly belonging to me on top of it. That way we are communicating--without actually talking--and I maintain control of my money.

[Krakatoa]

1. When visiting a new MP with no reviews or intel there's no way to know the menu-price options in advance. The place could be totally legit or maybe rub-and-tug only. So a client who drops $60 or $80 on the table expecting more options is setting themselves up for disappointment. And asking for some of the $ back makes you look like a schmuck. Even if they agree (doubtful) you'll probably be a laughingstock if you show your face in that MP again.

2. When visiting a new girl in an established MP there's still an element of YMMV that goes with any session. Masseuses are not machines and the service level and attitude of different girls at the same MP can vary quite a bit. And even a girl you've seen before could be having a bad day. In those cases there's no guarantee the service provided will match your advance tip. Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but you're rolling the dice and hoping things turn out in your favor.

3. When visiting an established MP and a masseuse you've seen before, there's simply no need to tip in advance. You both know the drill and the menu-price expectations on both sides should be the same.

The way I see it, the client already gives up a measure of control when he forks over the house fee because the MP then has some of his $ without having provided any service at all. By tipping in advance he pretty much hands any control or leverage he might have had over to the MP and masseuse. If things work out and the service matches expectations then it's no harm, no foul. But, if for any reason they don't, then he's screwed out of some or all of his hard-earned cash.

Another reason I don't tip in advance is because I want to see if the masseuse is going to give me a hard sell or otherwise cop a negative attitude. If that happens, it's tells me her focus is more on the $ than it is on giving good service. So if I'm asked for the tip up front I'll usually say something like "I'll take good care of you because I want to be happy and I want you to be happy" and then I'll wait to see how she responds. If she continues with high-pressure tactics I will tell her thanks for the massage and start getting dressed to leave. If she genuinely shifts her attitude then maybe I'll change my mind and stay.

For me, money = control and I want to see the actual level of service provided before I decide the appropriate tip amount. After all, it's the same reasoning behind why wait-staff gets tipped after the meal and why you don't pay a contractor 100% of their fee up front.

The argument in favor of tipping in advance is that, in those situations where you don't know the provider, she also doesn't know you. She doesn't know for sure you are looking for HE, whether you are a cheapskate who is going to undertip, or, for that matter, whether you are LE. This leaves tension around the flip that is a distraction for both of you, diminishing your enjoyment of the first 75% of the massage.

As is often the case in life, there is a middle way. In these situations, I like to lay out what I am willing to spend but with my glasses or something else clearly belonging to me on top of it. That way we are communicating--without actually talking--and I maintain control of my money.

[Miketastic69]

1. When visiting a new MP with no reviews or intel there's no way to know the menu-price options in advance. The place could be totally legit or maybe rub-and-tug only. So a client who drops $60 or $80 on the table expecting more options is setting themselves up for disappointment. And asking for some of the $ back makes you look like a schmuck. Even if they agree (doubtful) you'll probably be a laughingstock if you show your face in that MP again.

2. When visiting a new girl in an established MP there's still an element of YMMV that goes with any session. Masseuses are not machines and the service level and attitude of different girls at the same MP can vary quite a bit. And even a girl you've seen before could be having a bad day. In those cases there's no guarantee the service provided will match your advance tip. Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but you're rolling the dice and hoping things turn out in your favor.

3. When visiting an established MP and a masseuse you've seen before, there's simply no need to tip in advance. You both know the drill and the menu-price expectations on both sides should be the same.

The way I see it, the client already gives up a measure of control when he forks over the house fee because the MP then has some of his $ without having provided any service at all. By tipping in advance he pretty much hands any control or leverage he might have had over to the MP and masseuse. If things work out and the service matches expectations then it's no harm, no foul. But, if for any reason they don't, then he's screwed out of some or all of his hard-earned cash.

Another reason I don't tip in advance is because I want to see if the masseuse is going to give me a hard sell or otherwise cop a negative attitude. If that happens, it's tells me her focus is more on the $ than it is on giving good service. So if I'm asked for the tip up front I'll usually say something like "I'll take good care of you because I want to be happy and I want you to be happy" and then I'll wait to see how she responds. If she continues with high-pressure tactics I will tell her thanks for the massage and start getting dressed to leave. If she genuinely shifts her attitude then maybe I'll change my mind and stay.

For me, money = control and I want to see the actual level of service provided before I decide the appropriate tip amount. After all, it's the same reasoning behind why wait-staff gets tipped after the meal and why you don't pay a contractor 100% of their fee up front.

What if she says massage over before the flip and you've already tipped $. 6? Sucks to be you. Or you leave $1. 6 expecting FS and she says she doesn't do it? You have the leverage until the money hits the table.

[Hariending]

Blue Therapy. Springfield. Vicky was the provider. She is good compared to standard Nova services but my personal rating would be behind my top 4 (Coco, Nana, Jenny, Kay). Her face is not that cute, old, but body is soothing hot. Great service. Jacksons on hot towels machine told her what I want so no negotiations, gave me what she could offer and I was happy with it. The location is good, and was very busy. Vicky herself had back to back appointments but showed no sign of rush. She wanted me to enjoy my time and wanted to make sure I got my $$ worth.

I won't repeat unless of course I get tired with my top 4.

Need to try Annandale wellness based on the nice reviews here. Will try and report back.

Happy New Year fellow massage lovers.

Peace.

Hariending.

[DC002]

Closed up the old year at Angel. Tried 3 different nice providers over time. All aiming yo please. None pushed tips before session but I usually tip well, maybe too well. I do tell them what kind of companionship I want up front and get no resistance when the tip is already on the side table. And they do not take it early. BUT, when actually giving the large tip, they all say, "Is that all?" I think they have been told to say that, in perfect English, and maybe usually get an extra. 2 often. Because they DO privide good service. I just thought the pattern of 3 asking the same thing was funny. And I laughed, said are you kidding and she laughed too. I guess they do good training of the staff!

DC. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

One more thing to add. They said Coco was on vacation for about 10 daysl.

[JmSuttr]

Closed up the old year at Angel. Tried 3 different nice providers over time. All aiming yo please. None pushed tips before session but I usually tip well, maybe too well. I do tell them what kind of companionship I want up front and get no resistance when the tip is already on the side table. And they do not take it early. BUT, when actually giving the large tip, they all say, "Is that all?" I think they have been told to say that, in perfect English, and maybe usually get an extra. 2 often. Because they DO privide good service. I just thought the pattern of 3 asking the same thing was funny. And I laughed, said are you kidding and she laughed too. I guess they do good training of the staff!

DC. HAPPY NEW YEAR!

1. When visiting a new MP with no reviews or intel there's no way to know the menu-price options in advance. The place could be totally legit or maybe rub-and-tug only. So a client who drops $60 or $80 on the table expecting more options is setting themselves up for disappointment. And asking for some of the $ back makes you look like a schmuck. Even if they agree (doubtful) you'll probably be a laughingstock if you show your face in that MP again.

2. When visiting a new girl in an established MP there's still an element of YMMV that goes with any session. Masseuses are not machines and the service level and attitude of different girls at the same MP can vary quite a bit. And even a girl you've seen before could be having a bad day. In those cases there's no guarantee the service provided will match your advance tip. Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but you're rolling the dice and hoping things turn out in your favor.

3. When visiting an established MP and a masseuse you've seen before, there's simply no need to tip in advance. You both know the drill and the menu-price expectations on both sides should be the same.

The way I see it, the client already gives up a measure of control when he forks over the house fee because the MP then has some of his $ without having provided any service at all. By tipping in advance he pretty much hands any control or leverage he might have had over to the MP and masseuse. If things work out and the service matches expectations then it's no harm, no foul. But, if for any reason they don't, then he's screwed out of some or all of his hard-earned cash.

Another reason I don't tip in advance is because I want to see if the masseuse is going to give me a hard sell or otherwise cop a negative attitude. If that happens, it's tells me her focus is more on the $ than it is on giving good service. So if I'm asked for the tip up front I'll usually say something like "I'll take good care of you because I want to be happy and I want you to be happy" and then I'll wait to see how she responds. If she continues with high-pressure tactics I will tell her thanks for the massage and start getting dressed to leave. If she genuinely shifts her attitude then maybe I'll change my mind and stay.

For me, money = control and I want to see the actual level of service provided before I decide the appropriate tip amount. After all, it's the same reasoning behind why wait-staff gets tipped after the meal and why you don't pay a contractor 100% of their fee up front.

[Jimmy Luv]

And you get accurate pictures and descriptions on their web sites.

Those places are like strip clubs. The exception is you get a private Lapdance and handjob after your 7-minute rubdown.