Like Beef Lolo?

[ClintonPortis]

Are you a working girl? Or an AMP owner?

I've never seen you write a credible review. You are articulate, but your point of view is definitely not that of a customer. Interesting to see such activity from someone who doesn't appear to partake in this hobby.

If I had to guess, I'd speculate that your writing is coming from the perspective of a woman who is jaded and fed-up with dealing with customer demands in this industry. Still, an interesting perspective, even if very antagonistic towards mongers.

If you are a working girl, maybe I can schedule an appointment and we can talk this out face to face. You can even kick me out early!

Well, that or you are some kind of anti prostitution activist.

I answered it a long time ago but it got me in trouble. LOL. At least I can presumably answer it here in the Like Beef thread.

I was a potential monger who had come into some found money. Not exorbitant, but enough to pay for hundreds of sessions, and I was prepared to contribute an equivalent amount of reports. So I figured at peruse this forum and others to scope out the ins and outs of this "hobby". I thought this would be a fun way to pass time between civilian hookups.

I was of course instantly APPALLED at the crap I was reading here. I just assumed that since we're living in the freaking 21st century that every monger here would understand the overwhelming importance of SAFETY in this hobby. I mean MY GOD, these women are literally fukking THOUSANDS of men. I thought EVERYONE would understand the importance of not exchanging bodily fluids to protect your own health, the health of the providers, and to LOOK OUT for your brother mongers.

Of course I was dead wrong. My eyes literally bugged out when I read report after report bragging about BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and even BBFS. I read reports where mongers COMPLAINED when they didn't get to put their mouths on a hooker's cum-crusted vagina. Complaining that they didn't get to suck on a hooker's tongue that had just probed a man's shit-crusted asshole like 10 minutes earlier. I literally stared in shock for minutes reading this.

This initial shock turned to disappointment at first. All the potential sessions were gone. No way was I going to risk my freaking health and the health of my on / off SO in such a freaking SELFISH way. Then disappointment turned to resentment and contempt. I started to look at these mongers as pathetic, beta males. I made fun of those that thought they were Don Juan's making these hookers cum 10 x per session. I made fun of the poor dweebs who expected GFE from hookers, berating them to go find ACTUAL GIRLFRIENDS if they wanted it instead of expecting a hooker who services 10 guys a day to spend extra time "cuddling". But eventually this bitterness faded away as well. I realized that many of these mongers actually have no prospects, no hope, to the point where they would risk their health and their lives for just a fleeting moment of fake "connection". I noticed also that most of the providers aren't hot enough for me to notice in the real world which eased the blow of not fukking them a little. If I'm going to be spending $$ to fuck a girl one time, she better have at least a near perfect body and a decent face. I'm not into paying $$ to fuck 50 year old ajummas at Happiness. LOL. I could do much better in the civilian world. And I have a preference for white girls, which makes the pickings even slimmer.

So I've made my peace with it now for the most part. I just have fun and read the reports for entertainment value. I contribute what I can (I do see certain things happen downtown since I'm in the area a lot). But every once in awhile, something sets me off, and that old bitterness at not being able to partake in this hobby comes back. And that's when you see posts like my Tokyo Spa one.

I'm currently single again and I would love to try out a SMOKING HOTT provider (white girl Mila levels) that DOESN'T engage in fluid exchange (NO DFK, DATY, BBBJ or BBFS), trustworthy enough to bring to your home and where you don't have to worry about getting blackmailed or getting robbed, and who has "passable" mattress actress skills. Even for just an erotic strip tease and a sensual HB / BJ action which I would have no problems paying FS prices for. If I could find someone like that, I might never need another SO again. Lmao.

[Lonely Smiles]

Are you a working girl? Or an AMP owner?

I've never seen you write a credible review. You are articulate, but your point of view is definitely not that of a customer. Interesting to see such activity from someone who doesn't appear to partake in this hobby.

If I had to guess, I'd speculate that your writing is coming from the perspective of a woman who is jaded and fed-up with dealing with customer demands in this industry. Still, an interesting perspective, even if very antagonistic towards mongers.

If you are a working girl, maybe I can schedule an appointment and we can talk this out face to face. You can even kick me out early!

Well, that or you are some kind of anti prostitution activist.

[Cosmic Kid]

The only legit reason Tokyo Spa could be making as much money as those other places is if their entire business model shifted away from repeat customers and went straight for the 1 and done experience / tourist. Happiness / Rejuve / Dream all know you will come back for repeat business, that's why the service is so good. If Tokyo is consistently cutting people short on time 20-30 minutes then they are looking for 70% tourist as customers and they probably have some of the local cabbies "suggesting" they visit Tokyo Spa when looking for some action.

Well, but what if Tokyo's business model is by default preselecting for local resident repeats who are good to go with a quickie? Obviously, since this AMP is still in business in spite of numerous complaints, there's a specific demographic of guys in town who are totally good with short-time, and who knows; maybe for their own reasons these mongers even PREFER short time? Different strokes, etc. Me, I wouldn't put myself through that scenario because cuddling is to me an important aspect of the AMP experience, so I NEED that maximum time in the room. On the other hand, there's guys on this board convinced cuddling is wimpy or anti-masculine, and I'm not here to debate this topic. Either those guys think cuddling's for wimps or else they're getting that brand of intimacy taken care of by their SO. But, my point is, strictly in terms of an AMP business model, TS isn't going to have guys like me as customers and it matters not since TS is intentionally targeting the monger demographic which is entirely satisfied with a good fuck and out the door, and this business strategy seems to be a viable one for TS.

[Lonely Smiles]

The only legit reason Tokyo Spa could be making as much money as those other places is if their entire business model shifted away from repeat customers and went straight for the 1 and done experience / tourist. Happiness / Rejuve / Dream all know you will come back for repeat business, that's why the service is so good. If Tokyo is consistently cutting people short on time 20-30 minutes then they are looking for 70% tourist as customers and they probably have some of the local cabbies "suggesting" they visit Tokyo Spa when looking for some action.

I've read that tourism is one of the largest sources of private capital into the Hawaiian Islands, if not the defacto number one source. I suppose this works for places like VIP, churn the tourists in and out as fast as possible. Don't need repeat customers.

[SureYourRight]

Are you expecting to convince us that we should be happy about being rushed out?

I do believe that the next eager monger in line can wait patiently, as I always have. This is a pathetic excuse for rushing. If a mama isn't competent enough to schedule appointments without the chaos of double booking and overlapping, how is that the customers fault?

I have always told the mamasan not to rush the guy before me out, precisely because I do NOT want to be rushed when it is my turn. Simple concept.

It would be fascinating to compare the revenue that the top tier parlors bring in, like Rejuve, Happiness, and Dream, versus a place like Tokyo. If it turned out that a place like Tokyo was just as busy even with their rush policy, then in light of the evidence, I'd concede this argument. We'll never know. So I can only make an educated guess based on observation. "It stands to reason."

On an unrelated note, I thought of making a troll username called "Paragraphs are hard." But it's too long. Ironic.

The only legit reason Tokyo Spa could be making as much money as those other places is if their entire business model shifted away from repeat customers and went straight for the 1 and done experience / tourist. Happiness / Rejuve / Dream all know you will come back for repeat business, that's why the service is so good. If Tokyo is consistently cutting people short on time 20-30 minutes then they are looking for 70% tourist as customers and they probably have some of the local cabbies "suggesting" they visit Tokyo Spa when looking for some action.

[Lonely Smiles]

... when the mamasan sends you out early because another customer is waiting?

Are you expecting to convince us that we should be happy about being rushed out?

I do believe that the next eager monger in line can wait patiently, as I always have. This is a pathetic excuse for rushing. If a mama isn't competent enough to schedule appointments without the chaos of double booking and overlapping, how is that the customers fault?

I have always told the mamasan not to rush the guy before me out, precisely because I do NOT want to be rushed when it is my turn. Simple concept.

It would be fascinating to compare the revenue that the top tier parlors bring in, like Rejuve, Happiness, and Dream, versus a place like Tokyo. If it turned out that a place like Tokyo was just as busy even with their rush policy, then in light of the evidence, I'd concede this argument. We'll never know. So I can only make an educated guess based on observation. "It stands to reason."

On an unrelated note, I thought of making a troll username called "Paragraphs are hard." But it's too long. Ironic.

[Brudda1]

A monger writing about another monger's writing; about another monger's whining about another monger's whining. LOL Hash Tag Deep. Hash Tag Logic.

My brain exploded.

[ShootngStarBoy]

A monger whining about mongers whining. Logic.

A monger writing about another monger's writing; about another monger's whining about another monger's whining. LOL Hash Tag Deep. Hash Tag Logic.

[ClintonPortis]

Just for the hell of it, what would you do if you went to a legit massage place and the therapist stopped at 40 minutes and said, "Okay, done. " What would you do? You've paid for an hour but got shorted. Would you just say okay, and leave? Be honest now. Don't give an "I don't give a shit" answer just to justify what you said. I'm just curious.

Your analogy is perfect. I go to get a a specific SERVICE if I hit up a therapist. I don't go there trying to extract every single second of the hour. If the therapist has done her job and worked my sore areas right, I have NO PROBLEM leaving 10,20, 30,40 minutes early. Why am I going to waste her time and mine working over a muscle that already feels great just to fill up the hour?

Just like when you go to an AMP and the girl has done her job perfectly, giving you a great orgasm after some foreplay and 20 minutes of sex. Are you seriously going to fukking ***** when the mamasan sends you out early because another customer is waiting?

[Lonely Smiles]

I don't patronize Tokyo Spa, haven't been there since back in the day when it was RoseMarie or whatever, so I do not have a dog in this fight. However, I tend to agree that continued whining about this particular AMP's internal policies is a pointless exercise in stupidity. (Actually, IMHO kind of fun to listen to this soap opera being played out, but simultaneously a big waste of everyone's time.) Hey, the owners / mamas can set the game up any freaking way they choose and once you set foot inside Tokyo's door you are on their turf, on THEIR rules. I mean, if the TS mama wants to declare (by her actions) that an hour is actually equal to 40 minutes, them is the rules, baby. Jump down the rabbit hole and off with the Red Queen's head! In fact, if mama wants to declare that the moon is made of green cheese she's free to do that as well and in Tokyo Spa it is the god's truth!

In a market with many alternatives, people can and do vote with their dollars. This logic is strained. Fine, take another illegal "business" like a gambling house. If the house advertises a certain payout ratio and then after the fact arbitrarily decides "nah, make more money by withholding 33% of the payout", okay fine,. But word gets out and only smucks who don't care about getting ripped off will go.

I guess you could argue that "one hour" is a euphemism in this industry for 1 pop. Get your rocks off and GTFO. But not all customers want to cum in 3 minutes and be shown the door.

Word of mouth matters. Reviews matter. Businesses can do whatever they like in a vacuum with no consequences, but businesses that neglect major pain points for their customers, their target demographic, when there are superior alternatives readily available, well that's not smart business.

And yes, it matters to guys like me if I get an hour. I pay for an hour of intimacy with an attractive woman, not a 3 minute pop and walk rodeo. If I read reviews that say short time is common, I simply don't go. I'm not alone. If Tokyo can generate all the business the owners and girls want, then fine, they are meeting their own objectives.

In my mind Tokyo is in the same category as VIP, possibly viable if an existing ATF decides to work there. Otherwise, it's a joint for tourists and guys who like pay full price for "quickies".

[Cosmic Kid]

I'm sorry. But everytime I read these whiny little infants crying about being shorted on time (see Tokyo Spa thread), I just want to pull all my hair out. Are you all that pathetic that you are literally counting the seconds that you have with a hooker? Jesus fukking christ. These mongers could have gotten the best sex of their lives, fukking come in 3 minutes cause the girl was rocking them silly, and then theyre going to actually * about getting shorted 15 lousy stinking minutes?

Jesus. I hope the short time policy spreads to every damn AMP in the state. Maybe that will show the spoiled brats on here to stop bitching. Mongers here get BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and STILL cry because they didn't get their ridiculous "cuddle time" or some other such nonsense. OMG.

I don't patronize Tokyo Spa, haven't been there since back in the day when it was RoseMarie or whatever, so I do not have a dog in this fight. However, I tend to agree that continued whining about this particular AMP's internal policies is a pointless exercise in stupidity. (Actually, IMHO kind of fun to listen to this soap opera being played out, but simultaneously a big waste of everyone's time.) Hey, the owners / mamas can set the game up any freaking way they choose and once you walk in Tokyo Spa's door you are on their turf, on THEIR rules. I mean, if TS mama wants to declare (by her actions) that an hour is actually equal to 40 minutes, them is the rules, baby. (Jump down the rabbit hole and off with the Red Queen's head! It's Alice's wonderland and the Mad Hatter rules.) In fact, if mama wants to declare that the moon is made of green cheese she's free to do that as well and in Tokyo Spa it's the god's truth! What do you think, that you going to take this TS short-time situation up for arbitration to the official Board of Honolulu Fuck Houses? Or do you seriously believe you can organize class action litigation against TS and get all mongers' time / money refunded for unfair pussy practices? I don't THINK so. BTW, do they have any clocks at all visible in TS? If so, take a close look at the clock face and see if it shows one full revolution of the minute hand on the clock goes to 40 minutes rather than 60! LOL Just saying.

[Brudda1]

I'm sorry. But everytime I read these whiny little infants crying about being shorted on time (see Tokyo Spa thread), I just want to pull all my hair out. Are you all that pathetic that you are literally counting the seconds that you have with a hooker? Jesus fukking christ. These mongers could have gotten the best sex of their lives, fukking come in 3 minutes cause the girl was rocking them silly, and then theyre going to actually * about getting shorted 15 lousy stinking minutes?

Jesus. I hope the short time policy spreads to every damn AMP in the state. Maybe that will show the spoiled brats on here to stop bitching. Mongers here get BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and STILL cry because they didn't get their ridiculous "cuddle time" or some other such nonsense. OMG.

A monger whining about mongers whining. Logic.

[Chik0848]

I'm sorry. But everytime I read these whiny little infants crying about being shorted on time (see Tokyo Spa thread), I just want to pull all my hair out. Are you all that pathetic that you are literally counting the seconds that you have with a hooker? Jesus fukking christ. These mongers could have gotten the best sex of their lives, fukking come in 3 minutes cause the girl was rocking them silly, and then theyre going to actually * about getting shorted 15 lousy stinking minutes?

Jesus. I hope the short time policy spreads to every damn AMP in the state. Maybe that will show the spoiled brats on here to stop bitching. Mongers here get BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and STILL cry because they didn't get their ridiculous "cuddle time" or some other such nonsense. OMG.

Just for the hell of it, what would you do if you went to a legit massage place and the therapist stopped at 40 minutes and said, "Okay, done. " What would you do? You've paid for an hour but got shorted. Would you just say okay, and leave? Be honest now. Don't give an "I don't give a shit" answer just to justify what you said. I'm just curious.

[SureYourRight]

I'm sorry. But everytime I read these whiny little infants crying about being shorted on time (see Tokyo Spa thread), I just want to pull all my hair out. Are you all that pathetic that you are literally counting the seconds that you have with a hooker? Jesus fukking christ. These mongers could have gotten the best sex of their lives, fukking come in 3 minutes cause the girl was rocking them silly, and then theyre going to actually * about getting shorted 15 lousy stinking minutes?

Jesus. I hope the short time policy spreads to every damn AMP in the state. Maybe that will show the spoiled brats on here to stop bitching. Mongers here get BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and STILL cry because they didn't get their ridiculous "cuddle time" or some other such nonsense. OMG.

The girl isn't the one shorting you on time it's the mama. Mama doesn't do anything sexual she just collects house fee. She isn't providing the BBBJ, DFK, DATY, or anything. All she is providing is a twin size bedroom for two people to do it in. They say its $50 or $60 an hour. If you aren't going to give me an hour in the room then charge me less. If I want to give mama 50 bucks for the room and then pay the girl 150.00 to sleep next to me for an hour that's my damn business, but I paid for the full fucking hour. Doesn't matter if I want to sleep only, I still paid for the hour. Doesn't matter if I want to crawl under the bed and look for goblins and ghouls for an hour, I still paid for one full hour. If you don't mind being shorted on time let me know next time you go to Tokyo Spa and after 15 minutes with the girl you can tag me in and I'll take the other 45.

[ClintonPortis]

I'm sorry. But everytime I read these whiny little infants crying about being shorted on time (see Tokyo Spa thread), I just want to pull all my hair out. Are you all that pathetic that you are literally counting the seconds that you have with a hooker? Jesus fukking christ. These mongers could have gotten the best sex of their lives, fukking come in 3 minutes cause the girl was rocking them silly, and then theyre going to actually * about getting shorted 15 lousy stinking minutes?

Jesus. I hope the short time policy spreads to every damn AMP in the state. Maybe that will show the spoiled brats on here to stop bitching. Mongers here get BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and STILL cry because they didn't get their ridiculous "cuddle time" or some other such nonsense. OMG.