Massage Parlor Reports

[Wenger]

Weeknight evenings seem to be pretty busy at the parlors and girls usually shorten your massage. When do you find the best time to go?

Right when they open, everything is fresher and they're more energized.

-w.

[Ron M]

Weeknight evenings seem to be pretty busy at the parlors and girls usually shorten your massage. When do you find the best time to go?

How about going anytime other than week night evenings?

[CraigGerton]

Weeknight evenings seem to be pretty busy at the parlors and girls usually shorten your massage. When do you find the best time to go?

[Castlerae]

You see they have to be either licensed as an LMT or the Asian bodywork therapies which is 500 to 600 hours of training in those modalities, I. E licensed by the state for the individual. What cities like St. Charles, Wheaton are doing is creating a adminstrative license for a massage business and if you want to operate a business that massages people (except those already exempted like RN, Dr's, chiropractors by the state) then YOU as the applicant for the massage license agree that those who you hire as massasge therapists meet all state licensing requirements.

See what they did there, the vetting of therapists falls on the applicant who swears under oath that therapists hired meet all state standards. When they show up and ask questions after you open and they ask for an individual's massage license and they can't or they are unable to verify said license, that allows the orange sticker of death to go on the door. Before, it was only the individual massage therapist who was arrested, charged with prostitution but the business could reopen.

By the way, in St. Charles when you fill out the application for a massage business license, if you attempt to hide behind a partnership or corporation, St. Charles says if you benefit materially by receiving more than 10% of the business, you must provide to St. Charles the following: full name, address, SSN, drivers license number,DOB, sex including a physical description including height, weight hair and eye color.

All names and addresses of the massasge therapists, (to prevent them from living in the business) including anyone therapists who will be a manager, assistant manaager or possibly be left in a supervisory capacity during business hours. Additionally the appicant agrees to provide their work history including the name of, business and occupation for the 3 years preceding the date of the application. Obtain general commericial liability insurance ($1 million /$2 million) for any injuries that could be suffered at said establishment.

Finally, no massage can be given in a cubicle or a room fitted with a door capable of being locked.

For those of you wondering how can one city have these rules, the answer to your questions is: we are the government, so fukt you.

When the cops or the city want to shut a massage place down, they need some sort of pretext. The most common way, if they have complaints about the spa offering 'happy endings', is to send in an undercover cop to see if they can catch a massage worker offering "sexual services". That, however, takes time, money and is not a 100% sure thing. If the city passes all these requirements, then they have a lot of ways to close a spa without having to bother to do more than send a few cops out and catch them in violation of some provision of their license. In other words, it's lazy cops, not 'big government' at work here.

[Wirelessone]

You are so darn depressing. So you are saying, I could spend $12,000 sending her to school. Another $50,000 on building a nice place. And the very next day they can take it all away!

Bob.

that mimic St. Charles. That being said, I swear Bob I am alot of fun. LOL.

Wired.

[Bob521]

You are so darn depressing. So you are saying, I could spend $12,000 sending her to school. Another $50,000 on building a nice place. And the very next day they can take it all away!

Bob.

You see they have to be either licensed as an LMT or the Asian bodywork therapies which is 500 to 600 hours of training in those modalities, I. E licensed by the state for the individual. What cities like St. Charles, Wheaton are doing is creating a adminstrative license for a massage business and if you want to operate a business that massages people (except those already exempted like RN, Dr's, chiropractors by the state) then YOU as the applicant for the massage license agree that those who you hire as massasge therapists meet all state licensing requirements.

See what they did there, the vetting of therapists falls on the applicant who swears under oath that therapists hired meet all state standards. When they show up and ask questions after you open and they ask for an individual's massage license and they can't or they are unable to verify said license, that allows the orange sticker of death to go on the door. Before, it was only the individual massage therapist who was arrested, charged with prostitution but the business could reopen.

By the way, in St. Charles when you fill out the application for a massage business license, if you attempt to hide behind a partnership or corporation, St. Charles says if you benefit materially by receiving more than 10% of the business, you must provide to St. Charles the following: full name, address, SSN, drivers license number,DOB, sex including a physical description including height, weight hair and eye color.

All names and addresses of the massasge therapists, (to prevent them from living in the business) including anyone therapists who will be a manager, assistant manaager or possibly be left in a supervisory capacity during business hours. Additionally the appicant agrees to provide their work history including the name of, business and occupation for the 3 years preceding the date of the application. Obtain general commericial liability insurance ($1 million /$2 million) for any injuries that could be suffered at said establishment.

Finally, no massage can be given in a cubicle or a room fitted with a door capable of being locked.

For those of you wondering how can one city have these rules, the answer to your questions is: we are the government, so fukt you.

[MarkLipper]

You see they have to be either licensed as an LMT or the Asian bodywork therapies which is 500 to 600 hours of training in those modalities, I. E licensed by the state for the individual. What cities like St. Charles, Wheaton are doing is creating a adminstrative license for a massage business and if you want to operate a business that massages people (except those already exempted like RN, Dr's, chiropractors by the state) then YOU as the applicant for the massage license agree that those who you hire as massasge therapists meet all state licensing requirements.

See what they did there, the vetting of therapists falls on the applicant who swears under oath that therapists hired meet all state standards. When they show up and ask questions after you open and they ask for an individual's massage license and they can't or they are unable to verify said license, that allows the orange sticker of death to go on the door. Before, it was only the individual massage therapist who was arrested, charged with prostitution but the business could reopen.

By the way, in St. Charles when you fill out the application for a massage business license, if you attempt to hide behind a partnership or corporation, St. Charles says if you benefit materially by receiving more than 10% of the business, you must provide to St. Charles the following: full name, address, SSN, drivers license number,DOB, sex including a physical description including height, weight hair and eye color.

All names and addresses of the massasge therapists, (to prevent them from living in the business) including anyone therapists who will be a manager, assistant manaager or possibly be left in a supervisory capacity during business hours. Additionally the appicant agrees to provide their work history including the name of, business and occupation for the 3 years preceding the date of the application. Obtain general commericial liability insurance ($1 million /$2 million) for any injuries that could be suffered at said establishment.

Finally, no massage can be given in a cubicle or a room fitted with a door capable of being locked.

For those of you wondering how can one city have these rules, the answer to your questions is: we are the government, so fukt you.

My fellow Geneva friends say the city will adopt the St. Charles code as soon as the next council meeting.

[Wirelessone]

Thanks very much. Bob.

You see they have to be either licensed as an LMT or the Asian bodywork therapies which is 500 to 600 hours of training in those modalities, I. E licensed by the state for the individual. What cities like St. Charles, Wheaton are doing is creating a adminstrative license for a massage business and if you want to operate a business that massages people (except those already exempted like RN, Dr's, chiropractors by the state) then YOU as the applicant for the massage license agree that those who you hire as massasge therapists meet all state licensing requirements.

See what they did there, the vetting of therapists falls on the applicant who swears under oath that therapists hired meet all state standards. When they show up and ask questions after you open and they ask for an individual's massage license and they can't or they are unable to verify said license, that allows the orange sticker of death to go on the door. Before, it was only the individual massage therapist who was arrested, charged with prostitution but the business could reopen.

By the way, in St. Charles when you fill out the application for a massage business license, if you attempt to hide behind a partnership or corporation, St. Charles says if you benefit materially by receiving more than 10% of the business, you must provide to St. Charles the following: full name, address, SSN, drivers license number,DOB, sex including a physical description including height, weight hair and eye color.

All names and addresses of the massasge therapists, (to prevent them from living in the business) including anyone therapists who will be a manager, assistant manaager or possibly be left in a supervisory capacity during business hours. Additionally the appicant agrees to provide their work history including the name of, business and occupation for the 3 years preceding the date of the application. Obtain general commericial liability insurance ($1 million /$2 million) for any injuries that could be suffered at said establishment.

Finally, no massage can be given in a cubicle or a room fitted with a door capable of being locked.

For those of you wondering how can one city have these rules, the answer to your questions is: we are the government, so fukt you.

[Bob521]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0tCMSN-tw5hoDA Here is a link to the article about Wheaton. They ended up passing an ordinance to close the loophole. Some towns might still have the loophole and then you could get around having the girls get massage licenses. It might vary from town to town. SaintChuck.

Thanks very much. Bob.

[GothBoi30]

Hoping some members might be able to help me out here. I'm looking for a good older Asian provider. 40+ please. Anywhere in the greater Chicago area is ok. If you can help, please post or pm me. Thanks.

[SaintChuck]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...0tCMSN-tw5hoDA Here is a link to the article about Wheaton. They ended up passing an ordinance to close the loophole. Some towns might still have the loophole and then you could get around having the girls get massage licenses. It might vary from town to town. SaintChuck.

[SaintChuck]

The government all reaching and all knowing self. Look at the hoops you have encountered in trying to start a business, regulation, schooling, licensing literally none of which existed just 50 years are now mandatory, yet we survived back then but somehow can't now. I did see in the massage regulations that there are exemptions for practicing the Chinese modalities of Tui Na, Shiatsu and Jin Shin Do which means they do not have to be licensed massage therapist (LMT) but must be certified practitioner or member of American Organization of Bodywork Therapies of Asia. What's the difference you ask? Well an LMT cannot use any device that mimics the use of the hands as in a electric massager but practitioners of Chinese modalities are exempt because they use cupping and accupuncture needles but the illinois massage act does not specifically mention cupping or accupressure except for the exemption of practitioners of Asian bodywork from the massage therapy act.

Got that Bob,. LOL.

Therefore, practitioners of Asian bodywork therapies have no restrictions on their practice, are not considered massage therapists not acupuncturists and can do whatever they want and claim whatever they want without legal restrictions.

However neither you nor your friend can advertise a massage business in a home while she waits builds clientele (I believe that if I see a massage business advertised as being home based, I am smart enought to know that she may not know everything about muscle groups but she would charge a lower price to me, so its up to me to assume risks and to make the decision, not for the government to prevent her from getting started).

These types of regulations are all over the country, mostly in cosmotology and are now moving into regulating the gig economy like AirBnb and Uber. We are in a constant battle with our lease-holder (the government) not enslaved but not free, not in jail but not able to excercise complete liberty either.

Wired

Members of the forum never cease to amaze me! Thank you for the PMs and posts. So (LOL) I am inferring from your post that the St Charles Police would have no objection to Asian Bodywork establishments. Actually, this really is interesting since my friend is already certified in Chinese traditional medicine. It's an interesting field. Thanks again. If / when we open I'll have to invite you guys. An hour of "cupping" (LOL). Bob.

I will have to find the article because it was a few years back. The village of Wheaton wanted to shut down an AMP, but they were having a hell of a time because the women had some certificates from the Asian Body Work Organization. I will have to find the article because there was some kind of a loop hole in regards to that certificate. SaintChuck.

[Bob521]

Members of the forum never cease to amaze me! Thank you for the PMs and posts. So (LOL) I am inferring from your post that the St Charles Police would have no objection to Asian Bodywork establishments. Actually, this really is interesting since my friend is already certified in Chinese traditional medicine. It's an interesting field. Thanks again. If / when we open I'll have to invite you guys. An hour of "cupping" (LOL). Bob.

The government all reaching and all knowing self. Look at the hoops you have encountered in trying to start a business, regulation, schooling, licensing literally none of which existed just 50 years are now mandatory, yet we survived back then but somehow can't now. I did see in the massage regulations that there are exemptions for practicing the Chinese modalities of Tui Na, Shiatsu and Jin Shin Do which means they do not have to be licensed massage therapist (LMT) but must be certified practitioner or member of American Organization of Bodywork Therapies of Asia. What's the difference you ask? Well an LMT cannot use any device that mimics the use of the hands as in a electric massager but practitioners of Chinese modalities are exempt because they use cupping and accupuncture needles but the illinois massage act does not specifically mention cupping or accupressure except for the exemption of practitioners of Asian bodywork from the massage therapy act.

Got that Bob,. LOL.

Therefore, practitioners of Asian bodywork therapies have no restrictions on their practice, are not considered massage therapists not acupuncturists and can do whatever they want and claim whatever they want without legal restrictions.

However neither you nor your friend can advertise a massage business in a home while she waits builds clientele (I believe that if I see a massage business advertised as being home based, I am smart enought to know that she may not know everything about muscle groups but she would charge a lower price to me, so its up to me to assume risks and to make the decision, not for the government to prevent her from getting started).

These types of regulations are all over the country, mostly in cosmotology and are now moving into regulating the gig economy like AirBnb and Uber. We are in a constant battle with our lease-holder (the government) not enslaved but not free, not in jail but not able to excercise complete liberty either.

Wired

[Wirelessone]

I'm in the process of looking for an existing, or building a start-up, massage spa. Strictly legit, as a stake-hold for my friend. I've posted other related questions about running a legit spa.

So one of the important requirements, (as we've read recently) is bona-fide massage certificates for the owner / manager (at a minimum) and preferably for all employees. In some cites, all MTs must be licensed. In others, a non-licensed person can be there if there is a licensed manager on duty. I think this is correct.

I have also researched massage schools and found the price range to be about $7,300 (College of Lake County) $8,700 (Harper) to north of $11,000 at most private places. Not only is there the cost of tuition, but also the work-time lost while in class. I think about 600 clinical hours, plus passing the national exam. Also, these classes include a fair amount of anatomy, and are taught in English. I've heard there are schools in California (one quoted $3,100, as I spoke to him, and he teaches in Chinese, three month course). I can't be sure which of these programs is good, and which are bad. Or downright frauds.

I've heard the idea that a license is a waste of time. But lately with all the closures of spas for unlicensed spas, I'm finding owners of legit places getting very reluctant to hire unlicensed workers. And basically impossible to be the owner / manager without a license.

Finally the question: Does anybody know of decent schools that offer massage training? Hopefully taught in Chinese? I've heard of license "rentals" which I'm not sure about (since the name on the certificate would not match the "ID" of the person, not to mention it is fraudulent). I'm interested in any suggestions. While this is a matter of self interest, I would imagine there are a lot of people trying to get proper licenses these days. Thanks in advance. Bob.

The government all reaching and all knowing self. Look at the hoops you have encountered in trying to start a business, regulation, schooling, licensing literally none of which existed just 50 years are now mandatory, yet we survived back then but somehow can't now. I did see in the massage regulations that there are exemptions for practicing the Chinese modalities of Tui Na, Shiatsu and Jin Shin Do which means they do not have to be licensed massage therapist (LMT) but must be certified practitioner or member of American Organization of Bodywork Therapies of Asia. What's the difference you ask? Well an LMT cannot use any device that mimics the use of the hands as in a electric massager but practitioners of Chinese modalities are exempt because they use cupping and accupuncture needles but the illinois massage act does not specifically mention cupping or accupressure except for the exemption of practitioners of Asian bodywork from the massage therapy act.

Got that Bob,. LOL.

Therefore, practitioners of Asian bodywork therapies have no restrictions on their practice, are not considered massage therapists not acupuncturists and can do whatever they want and claim whatever they want without legal restrictions.

However neither you nor your friend can advertise a massage business in a home while she waits builds clientele (I believe that if I see a massage business advertised as being home based, I am smart enought to know that she may not know everything about muscle groups but she would charge a lower price to me, so its up to me to assume risks and to make the decision, not for the government to prevent her from getting started).

These types of regulations are all over the country, mostly in cosmotology and are now moving into regulating the gig economy like AirBnb and Uber. We are in a constant battle with our lease-holder (the government) not enslaved but not free, not in jail but not able to excercise complete liberty either.

Wired

[MrSmartyPants]

One quick note -- talking with MTs (whom I see pretty often), it turns out that male MTs have a hard time in the industry. From what I've heard, the only reliable ways for a masseur to make a living wage are to work in Boystown and offer extras, or outside of gay neighborhoods, satisfy clients looking for discreet down-low pay-for-play M4 M action. (I'm not saying that all masseurs do this, or even that this is universally true; it's hearsay, but from multiple sources.).

Complicating it is that for legitimate massage seekers, (1) most guys won't want a masseur, only a masseuse, and (2) many women are more comfortable with a masseuse than a masseur, to the point where only a relatively low percentage of women will see a masseur.

I'm by no means a homophobe. "I have many gay friends, really", but I would rather not have a masseur. I've had a few and it's always been fine. It's not like I've spent the session wondering if I'm going to get felt up or anything. As a bonus, I've never had a problem getting a masseur to really dig into the muscle like I sometimes have masseuses afraid to do; however, on some gut level it's my least preferred option. (Plus I'm probably subconsciously afraid of a George Costanza "it moved"-type scenario.).

So if your friend can hire a masseur, that'd probably be generally good for sending the no extras message; but in addition to difficulty getting one, it might attract a separate group of unwanted clientele.

It does seem the Legit places and especially Foot places have lots of Masseurs. I even have been to one or two Foot places that ONLY had male MT's in there. Not my cup of tea either. Usually when I walk in and see that, I'll still go ahead with it anyway because it seems rude (to me) to make a big deal and leave.

I have gotten some good Masseurs massages though, often they are stronger than the women. Even though that's true I still TRY to get one of the females if possible. I just seem to get "something" out of a legit massage by a female that you don't get when it's a male. I'm hesitant to put a name on it. But it feels very different even though it's strictly non-sexual. Not sure if I'm getting a buzz from being in close proximity to female pheromones or what, but there's SOMETHING there to it.

There was one Masseur at Foot Place who I never want to get stuck with again- His hands were like 400 grit sandpaper. Was an awful sensation no matter where he touched you, it was just a terrible disturbing feeling. Luckily that guy isn't the norm.

And no, thank god, it never Moved.