The Prickyard

[IndyGuy123]

I have stated here many times that not one person has directly said anything to Ff on this forum about anything he did wrong. I even said why I think no one will do so. The closest anyone ever comes is to say what you said which is there are problems on both sides. Even though others have said its only my fault.

So again notice how no one will directly say To FF or Sara that asking a question on this forum should never result in any threats to anyone.

You are only proving my point again by implying it's going to get worse for me! That just proves the threats are real and sends a message to everyone else that you better not post anything that will cross certain people on this board or else!

Please no one respond to this. It will be a cpl hours but I will be attempting to stop this off the forum. Off the forum is the only way that will happen.
A2,
In this case of an attept to stop this shit, hopefully this is ok.

[MrEnvious]

If you just stop everyone wins. That's probably the closest thing to a win you could possibly walk away with at this point. There have been a couple of overreactions on both sides of this argument in my opinion but I just don't see that you are helping yourself by dragging it on. And you may be the only singular person in this argument with the power to bail out of it and it dies. Just a contientious observer here. I wasn't invited to the meet and greet and don't care who was. This is just painful to see unfold.

I have stated here many times that not one person has directly said anything to Ff on this forum about anything he did wrong. I even said why I think no one will do so. The closest anyone ever comes is to say what you said which is there are problems on both sides. Even though others have said its only my fault.

So again notice how no one will directly say To FF or Sara that asking a question on this forum should never result in any threats to anyone.

You are only proving my point again by implying it's going to get worse for me! That just proves the threats are real and sends a message to everyone else that you better not post anything that will cross certain people on this board or else!

[Sara8032]

It's going to be hot, hot, hot today, so let's all take a step back, breathe in deep, and slow jam the news.

http://youtu.be/ziwYbVx_-qg

Ahhh, yes. Slow jam the news.

[LancePkrbttm]

As I already stated. The threat of banning / shunning was already made! If I stop then the ban is on!

When that threat is removed then it stops! If I just stop the ban is on and they win!

So, stopping isn't going to help others see that there is a way out of the ban. Then they won't contribute. Then the forum stops being useful. There is no way that stopping removes the threat it just reinforces it!

If you just stop everyone wins. That's probably the closest thing to a win you could possibly walk away with at this point. There have been a couple of overreactions on both sides of this argument in my opinion but I just don't see that you are helping yourself by dragging it on. And you may be the only singular person in this argument with the power to bail out of it and it dies. Just a contientious observer here. I wasn't invited to the meet and greet and don't care who was. This is just painful to see unfold.

[MrEnvious]

Option 3. STOP POSTING AND ARGUING ABOUT IT.

As I already stated. The threat of banning / shunning was already made! If I stop then the ban is on!

When that threat is removed then it stops! If I just stop the ban is on and they win!

So, stopping isn't going to help others see that there is a way out of the ban. Then they won't contribute. Then the forum stops being useful. There is no way that stopping removes the threat it just reinforces it!

[IntoAsian]

I don't weigh 300+ pounds or have a smelly ballsack. (well I can't bend over to smell it to confirm that). I do weigh 220 lbs and am willing to let you be around my ballsack than continue reading these posts. I am an unknown (not a senior member) but do look forward to hopefully meetimg you natalie. If I could get you away from everyone else.

[IndyGuy123]

a 300+ pound man's smelly ballsack

Damn girl! It is bad enough that you are letting people know how much my fat old ass weighs but don't claim it is smelly. You know I am clean as an old rusty whistle.

Redhead that curtain matches the drapes

I would say what about matching carpet but wait. There is no carpet! I'll see you again soon enough to turn that linoleum floor into a hard wood floor!

Sincerely Signed,

The Fat Ass Hardwood Layer.

[MrEnvious]

It's going absolutely nowhere. I'd rather be around a 300+ pound man's smelly ballsack than to continue reading this ongoing stalemate. Also since we love definitions here. Stalemate: "The definition of a stalemate is a deadlock, an unresolved situation which no one can win. " Go get yourselves some good pussy guys! No matter if it's UTR, SW, Freckled, Redhead that curtain matches the drapes, younger, mature, spinner, or curvy! Doesn't matter just go get your dicks wet and be happy!

Wouldn't that be nice if it were true! But, the ban is on! Want to prove me wrong?

[MrEnvious]

We have a new candidate ladies and gentlemen. You fit right in with making excuses and going after people when actually you kind of started this but just like all these great candidates we have gotten to know so very well. You will never admit that and just keep slamming people. Just like every great corrupted politician the blame is always on the other person rather than the error of their ways.

Now as far as A2 is concerned. I really don't think he needs anyone to tell him how to do his job and did any of them threaten you? Did any of them threaten to tie you up, beat you down. Have their " cronies " come do it for them? Or did they just hurt your feelings or rather try to explain what they were meaning in a sarcastic manner? I don't think I'm in a episode of Empire Boardwalk Jesus. You got defensive. Point blank. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and NO we all have not drank the FF red Kool aid however if something is pointed out like a factual statement you get defensive kind of like how you got defensive about another provider a while back. You got defensive and talked about everyone not knowing the facts when in fact in BLACK AND WHITE it stated where he MET her but just again like every great politician you are correct sir and everyone else is wrong. If you don't think people are NOT going to be defensive back on something then I'm not sure where you have been.

Dyoung35 did nothing wrong here and it wasn't his posting that actually started this shit. It was yours.

A2 I am ready for vacation and ready to return favors LOL.

Sugar I don't really read posts on the fight thread. I'm too busy having beers with FF, JJBEE62 and MWDUDE on my terrace.

This guy is just blowing hot air, anybody can report any of those guys posts, if they are ridiculing people on a review thread just report the fucking post. I threw a flag at one of those guys a couple weeks ago.

If they are ridiculing somebody on a fight thread just put them on ignore. There's a reason they don't, it's because they like fighting with guys on a sex forum more than they like researching pussy.

Pack your lip gloss and eye protection if you're coming my way.

A2

So, everyone has read this and it is clear. The threats are not physical violence they are threats of shunning and keeping providers from members who disagree. If A2 wants to support that by doing nothing then everyone will take note. You then are posting your opinions at your own risk.

Read my other post about how simply this could have ended but now it's clear this forum is meant for only a few select people!

[IndyGuy123]

I have said this three times now. This is my last attempt.

Everyone involved has clearly expressed their opinions and beliefs. We all know what they are no matter who you agree with. Now this is me asking EVERYONE involved to swallow your mountain size pride or whatever you want to call it. Don't anyone reply to anyone on this subject or anything directly related to it. I am not pointing fingers at anyone on this but this whole shit has already caused me problems that goe way beyond this board in ways that you will likely never know.

Hopefully Signed,

Indy Guy.

[MrEnvious]

First and foremost: I should have been less sarcastic and abrupt on my first post in response to MrEnvious regarding the SW / UTR / Escort that he insinuated publicly to be invited to the M&G without first consulting the party planners. For that I apologize. Had I handled it differently this my not have resulted in a war but at this point I think it would have anyway. This in no way means that I believe my criticism of the situation was incorrect. I stand by these two facts.

1. Don't publicly invite or insinuate that someone should be invited to a M&G without first clearing it through the host and / or hostess.

2. Most of the people attending the M&G, especially the owner of the facility where it is being held, don't want an unverified, brand new, unknown (3 reports is unknown) SW / UTR / Escort at a very private party. It should have been decided by a consensus of the party planners / attendee's not an invitee. By the way several senior mongers were consulted about the list of invitees both Hobbyists and Providers. I was invited but will not be attending because I had previous plans for that day.

Second: Dyoung35 You did nothing wrong in my opinion and I think in most peoples opinion. Keep up the good work.

Third: My post about UTR's is in the wrong thread. I put it in the Prickyard because that is where the discussion began. I am moving it to it's own blog so the topic can be discussed. I agree with Jjbee that there may be no clear answer but it's worth discussing. The post I made has nothing to do with Dyoung35 or MrEnvious. It was a fact finding post and I think it was interpreted to be a slam on specific mongers which it wasn't.

Fourth: It has come to my attention that some Lurkers on the board are scared to make posts and become more active on the board. I thank Nostra for this information. This goes against the purpose of this forum. So I will be starting a Lurkers blog, with A2's permission where newbies and lurkers can ask questions without concern for getting bashed in the Prickyard. Good mongers are always needed on this board and most are good. We need to respectfully exchange information. We need to watch out for each other, hobbyists and providers alike.

Fifth: I am not king of anything. I earned my stripes by getting kicked in the balls several times by older seniors, many no longer on the board, throughout my time here. Some of you need to learn that getting your balls kicked is part of the learning process. As far as who I review, I do it wisely. If someone is already getting several reviews I may not review them. I also limit the types of providers I see and over the past couple of years I seldom see a provider if she doesn't have freckles. I don't do AMPs or SW's. I lived with a provider for 5 years. I have had 5 providers stay at my house in the past 6 months with no strings attached because I wanted them to have a safe place to come to when they needed somewhere to go. Many of my good monger friends know this and they know who they are. I have made many mistakes in this hobby and all I have tried to do is help others learn from my mistakes and keep a little humanity on the board.

In regards to people attacking me, go ahead. I really don't care. I am sarcastic, blunt but I am one hell of a nice guy and just want people to be safe and show the ladies some respect. 90% of the active mongers on the Indy forum know what I have contributed in the past and would stand by me in almost any situation. MrEnvious believe it or not but you wouldn't have seen half of the providers you did without my back channel help that you never knew about. So go ahead and have me banned. I have every major providers number on my speed dial so the board is not my main source of stirring shit. I told IG months ago you were a loose cannon and to be careful. My intuition has proven to be true. Now continue your rants because I have no further response to anything you say. You, like IndyAnon, have hit my ignore button.

Here we go again. I never attacked you and no one else here would dare. I get another insult because I said something he says broke an etiquette rule. That is all it takes and the character assassinations continue. Pay close attention everyone and post at your own risk. You cross FF, then you crossed SARA. If you cross Sara then you will be banned by her circle of providers. See how the game works?

Everyone needs to go back and read my review on the new girl. Notice the one sentence that sets all this off. I never said "I'm bringing this new girl to the M&G"! That is what they are trying to imply I said or threatened to do. This is how they play the game! First they attack your character then they accuse you falsely of doing something or saying something you never said. Then they try to give an apology and at the same time insult you again - "you are a loose canon"!

Everyone reading this sees the threats and the false accusations. They can read my post and see, what I actually said!

[IndyGuy123]

I never met or talked with your girl SexyRed. I informed the forum to tread with caution as it has been said that FF has had more then just a casual interest in providers in the past. Threating to turn the provider in to CPS etc... To what each individual believes... Well that's up to them.

As for SexyRed, I heard of the STD issue but if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Why act surprised?

If you never met or talked with Red, I would love to know where you received this info. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the facts you received are wrong. This is coming from the man (not monger in this point) that spent more time with her than every member of this board combined.

the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy)

Hey you asshole! Why I got to be the mother of the bride? I can accept father of the bride (lord knows I am old enough) or sick bastard that used to bang the bride after she had drank one too many Cosmos at the Elks Lodge. LOL.

Sincerely Signed,

The Biggest Prick in the Yard.

[Untchbl]

This all started because I gave a review on a new girl. I wrote one sentence - "can she be invited to the m&g"? Then here comes the barrage of insults and threats from Sara, FF, jjbee, etc. ALL that was necessary was a simple - "No because she is not well know enough". Can it be any simpler than that? I don't think so. No harm would have been done. I didn't even expect that response publicly, for all the reasons FF gave. Hence, the reason I PM'd the question. Then Sara publicly attacks me for that too!

But, now we all have seen how things are done on this board. If you cross the wrong person you will not see any of the girls in the circle of friends. You will be banned! Really, that's suppose to make everyone feel free to join in and share information? Sure we are all anonymous but our handles are how we identify ourselves to providers.

Now everyone can see the danger. What if they say one thing wrong and get the same treatment.

The only way to fix this is for FF to fix it! Everyone wants to protect and defend him and he holds the key. He wrote apology but then says he's going to hit the ignore button on me. Guess what? That sends a message to everyone else on this board. You better ignore MrEnvious too, because FF did and you know what Sara threatened. So, just play along to get along or else you could be the next target of an "ignore" or ban. You see, he is sending a signal to everyone else! Sara already made it clear that he is the oldest and the wisest. So, if you cross him you have crossed all of us.

This won't be fixed until that nonsense ends.

So here are the two choices I can come up with for a real and final peace!

1).

A2 can fix it by banning the top few for 2 months. Make it clear that these threats are only going to stop contributions and that is contrary to the purpose of this forum. If people make mistakes or disagree, then that shouldn't be a threat to anyone.

2).

FF takes another step back and agrees to disagree with my ONE SENTENCE. Then says, no one should ignore or cause any consequences to MrEnvious because we had a difference of opinion. Then A2 can see clearly that there will be no more threats or attempts to ban someone from providers simply for disagreeing in an objective non-character attacking way.

But, right now FF left everything hanging so that the veil of threat is still hanging out there. It's up to him. He removes the ignore button or the veil of threat clearly displayed by Sara applies to everyone on this board who ever dare say the "wrong thing" again.

Option 3. STOP POSTING AND ARGUING ABOUT IT.

[MrEnvious]

The trick is, never declare the discussion over, unless you're going to stick to your decision.

Because you failed to understand anything in my post, decided it was an attack and stated I was wrong. When you choose that route, be certain.

I've spent some time in Miami and it definitely needs an active forum, much more so than Indianapolis. Every agency doesn't provide fantastic girls, they play the bait and switch game. Regardless of the agencies, any city with active mongers (every city) benefits from an active support community. Phoenix, Houston, San Diego, Seattle, Dallas / Ft. Worth, Albuquerque, all cities where I've spent a lot of time and all cities where the forums are very weak, all places where they need a strong forum. If you think there isn't a need, you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

You said:

You don't consider that criticizing his character?

See above.

I'm going to assume you made this part up. I doubt if you just read 42,000 posts, keeping track of which ones are useful. What qualifies as useful? Is a bad review that has no useful information, no link, useful? Is a post where someone explains how to keep from getting ripped off, not useful? Who decides? If I posted tips for how to make the most of an AMP visit, is that a wasted post? If FF posts more newbie tips, is that also useless? You seem to be on shaky ground here.

That's all? Just go back and read 42,000 posts, keeping a running total of reviews by everyone (because the only way to be fair is to check every single user) compared to their total posts count? Then decide which non-review posts are helpful? I'm not sure A2, or anyone has the time for that. Or did you suppose that A2 would just start banning people on your recommendation?

If you're going to use an analogy, make it relevant. We can even stick with the wedding analogy.

You've been invited to a wedding and the invitation states, this is a private affair and only close friends of the couple are invited. Just before the wedding you post, on the couple's FB, you want to bring a complete stranger. The bride and groom both say this is unacceptable. Instead of accepting they have the right to choose the wedding guests, you argue with them. That is the correct analogy.

Even if your band analogy worked, you're still wrong, as anyone who has ever planned a wedding can tell you. The proper way to handle it is to call the bride, mention the band as a possibility for the reception. You would then be told the band has already been booked, because you don't wait until 3 days before a wedding to book a band. If you push, you'll find the band is more than they can afford, the band chosen is somebody's cousin's band and it's too late to change. But you didn't suggest the band to the person responsible for planning the wedding, you shouted it out to all the guests, the whole wedding party and the band that is already booked for the wedding. Yet you fail to recognize this as a problem and insult the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy), because they won't switch to your band. For the record, you don't invite a band to play at wedding reception, you book them and pay them.

Perhaps one of us doesn't understand the purpose of a meet & greet. I never considered the providers (or myself) as entertainment. I considered it an opportunity for us all to meet, as equals, on neutral ground. Simply a chance to connect faces with names. If some other transaction occurs as a result, well and good, but I never expected any of the guests to entertain me. If you can't grasp this, you'll never understand why suggesting another unknown "entertainer" be invited (didn't you say the invite was rhetorical?) is inappropriate.

No. We (although it's a stretch to call me a friend of FF, I've never met him) said you made a mistake. A mistake isn't a character flaw. However, failing to accept the mistake and turning a simple misunderstanding into a major drama-fest is a character flaw. Maybe later we can discuss my character flaws, I have many.

Because this isn't about FF or IndyGuy. Until you recognize the mistake you made, no point you make matters. It's not because we're all ganging up on you.

As for the "veiled threat" that's only in your mind. Haven't you paid attention to the board? Haven't you seen the responses from several people when someone decides to declare war on one of the respected members? It is not something that will win you any friends. It is something that will make some providers reconsider your status.

Blame you for uninviting yourself? I suspect that your action was purely symbolic. Plus, I've never understood the obsession with blame. I don't care who caused the problem, let's focus on fixing the problem. In this case, the only person who could fix the problem is you. It was a simple fix. All you had to do is say "I understand" and the whole thing would have disappeared. Nobody would have been upset, nobody would have held a grudge and nobody would have questioned your character or judgement.

There has been no character assassinations, certainly not by me. If anything, this whole thing looks like a character suicide.

Afraid you're right? Let's test it out. I will post nothing, unless I have a review to post, for the next 2 weeks. Maybe FF, IndyGuy123, Mwdude and any others you want to single out, will do the same. I think we're averaging roughly 4 reviews per day. Since you're stating we are a major hindrance to reviews, let's set a level of 10 reviews per day, with half from new users (less than 20 posts). I can't speak for the others, but if that level is met, I'll close my account and never return. If we don't hit the mark, will you do the same?

Now, I'm done with this conversation and any others until June 25.

Nice try. I never continued to argue that the new girl should be able to come. I only argued about the etiquette of the question.

I don't need to read all 42,000 posts. I just need to read enough of yours to see the pattern! You already made the argument for me that you guys do most of the posting.

You posts don't contribute reviews. They just contribute criticisms. What people are looking for here is object information. They don't want to receive any insults or arguments about intent, character or the like.

Your self administered moratorium won't work until everyone feels safe to post here. See my other post about how that might be achieved. Again, all you do is argue. Sure, there are good and bad agencies in Miami. I never said differently but there you go again bringing up another argument that wasn't in my post.

You even want to argue over you "book" vs "invite" a band to a wedding reception. Really! I mean really! This gets tiring. What is the point of this?

BTW. I never insulted Sara, or FF or mwdude. I pointed out a pattern of behavior and that is it. I could go on with more but I think everyone gets the point. If anyone dare disagree with you it will turn into a non-stop diatribe of insults and false accusations until they submit and quit responding to you. Then you win. Everyone learns their lesson AND NO ONE WANTS to post anything on here. AND that is the point! The forum fails to achieve its purpose.

[Member #6963]

Yet you fail to recognize this as a problem and insult the bride (Sara), groom (FF) and mother of the bride (IndyGuy).

When she finds out that you are Sara's mother! So don't you think you should tell her the truth about you? It might make consummating the marriage a little difficult! Oh and don't worry Hun (Sara) I have been stocking up on Viagra for our special night together.