Massage Parlor Reports

[Tom70]

LOL. This is true, from reports I've read blonde Jen has alot less teeth than brunette Jen. I have seen the track marks and missing teeth on brunette Jen and won't repeat. While I was reading your review on her I was very tempted to say you would be naive if you missed those things in your visit with her. But I try not to be a ballbuster, as I said before I don't slam ATF's. However I find it very confusing on how someone could be so keen to remark on the cleanliness of a Massage Parlor but completely miss some red flags on a provider.

We should all do our best to scan our surroundings and the provider to give the best review possible.

Happy Easter.

Not buying that. Nobody has claimed anything like ATF status with Jen. I described her as fun and cute, and that she didn't watch the clock, but I also pointed out the recent pregnancy, and not great BJ skills. Not exactly a ATF endorsement. Seems like most others review her the same, accurate pics, looks OK, performs OK, and also nothing in particular to write home about. Can't find any the depart much from that (other than reviews for blonde Jen, who is a decidedly different person). If you thought that you had important info about her, you should have chimed in after my review or after any of the many other reviews before and after, all of which mention nothing like this crucial missed information. None of us would have been bent out of shape by your sharing that. Just doesn't wash.

Other than me and Panacea, there's no ATF involved in this exchange.

But we'll just have to agree to disagree on these points.

Enjoy!

[Benz1]

Fair enough. But I don't recall anyone who's mentioned her teeth, and she has been reviewed a number of times. The blonde Jen is apparently missing most of her front teeth, is a horrible performer, and is really subconscious about her teeth. So I don't know how I missed anything important about the brunette Jen.

Unless I was supposed to mention that she has more teeth than the blonde Jen. LOL!

LOL. This is true, from reports I've read blonde Jen has alot less teeth than brunette Jen. I have seen the track marks and missing teeth on brunette Jen and won't repeat. While I was reading your review on her I was very tempted to say you would be naive if you missed those things in your visit with her. But I try not to be a ballbuster, as I said before I don't slam ATF's. However I find it very confusing on how someone could be so keen to remark on the cleanliness of a Massage Parlor but completely miss some red flags on a provider.

We should all do our best to scan our surroundings and the provider to give the best review possible.

Happy Easter.

[Tom70]

But there is some important things that should not be left out or left to PM.

Fair enough. But I don't recall anyone who's mentioned her teeth, and she has been reviewed a number of times. The blonde Jen is apparently missing most of her front teeth, is a horrible performer, and is really subconscious about her teeth. So I don't know how I missed anything important about the brunette Jen.

Unless I was supposed to mention that she has more teeth than the blonde Jen. LOL!

[Benz1]

Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way. And there also is no way that other places will follow Panacea's model - these are different places offereing different experiences. AMPs are different than the 44th St and 28th St places, which both are different than Panacea. There is no slippery slope here.

Here is where I think I am just not connecting with you. GPS as I understand it is not where a girl at a strip club refuses to give you a car BJ date for $20 or schedule an escort date. GPS is where a girl offers one thing and delivers another, at a much different price. Or she badgers you to upsell, or charges for each new position. Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.

Take an extreme example that I "enjoyed". I set up a visit with a chick who advertized on BP as an escort. When I showed up, the apartment was a fucking mess. Her roomate was busy in the next room behind a curtain (no door). My girls room actually had a door. She puts on these ridiculous stripper boots and outfit, and then proceeds to give me an awkward and horrible impression of a strip club lap dance, the chair lap dance like you would get out on the open floor. And she still wants top escort dollar. That is GPS in the extreme. BTW, no I did not tip her, and no I did not repeat.

By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).

All that said, I respect your opinion and input. You are one of the best resources active in this area. Your posts and PMs are invaluable. I just cannot get to the same page on the GPS thing in general and Panacea in particular. Also, I greatly appreciated your reply to that creepy woman, Lacey. Peace.

Glad you saw that post before it was removed and sorry to hear of her being a pest. We should all boycott her too.

I do my best to give accuracy in my reviewing and try to show respect in my thoughts on this Fourm however it is difficult at times. I also don't believe in slamming anyones atf. If she's not for me no big deal. But there is some important things that should not be left out or left to PM.
And telling people they are naive is not the way to start a healthy discussion about any provider or MP. We all have a different view and that would not make them naive.

[Tom70]

What if all the MP's did the same?

Right, of course, they do not all do the same thing. That is the beauty of a place like Panacea, it's not dank and grubby. And I'm not putting other places down by saying that. A lot of other places prioritize just what you seem to want, bottom dollar, a full menu, with whatever women are available. No way I'm going to a dank hole, seeing an older woman, and paying what I do at Panacea, no fucking way. And there also is no way that other places will follow Panacea's model - these are different places offereing different experiences. AMPs are different than the 44th St and 28th St places, which both are different than Panacea. There is no slippery slope here.

Here is where I think I am just not connecting with you. GPS as I understand it is not where a girl at a strip club refuses to give you a car BJ date for $20 or schedule an escort date. GPS is where a girl offers one thing and delivers another, at a much different price. Or she badgers you to upsell, or charges for each new position. Generally, GPS is expecting more money than what is delivered.

Take an extreme example that I "enjoyed". I set up a visit with a chick who advertized on BP as an escort. When I showed up, the apartment was a fucking mess. Her roomate was busy in the next room behind a curtain (no door). My girls room actually had a door. She puts on these ridiculous stripper boots and outfit, and then proceeds to give me an awkward and horrible impression of a strip club lap dance, the chair lap dance like you would get out on the open floor. And she still wants top escort dollar. That is GPS in the extreme. BTW, no I did not tip her, and no I did not repeat.

By contrast, a place that has very consistent rules, fees, and service, and does so for years, I just don't see that as GPS. Look, I can have a great experience there, not comparible to any other MP in GR, for $40 plus $40. That's with a cute, fit, American, young woman who's in her early to mid 20's. No they do not have an open menu, but they never have and doubt they ever will, no matter how much you boycott them. I'd be happy to pass along details in PM, but it is decidely not the same as staying home. I recently enjoyed a visit with Natasha, and I can say that experience is the norm (fucking great).

All that said, I respect your opinion and input. You are one of the best resources active in this area. Your posts and PMs are invaluable. I just cannot get to the same page on the GPS thing in general and Panacea in particular. Also, I greatly appreciated your reply to that creepy woman, Lacey. Peace.

[Benz1]

Ah, I get it now. Benz, none of us know the whole scene in GR, so it's cool. You mistook the brunette Jen that I was posting about for the blonde Jen. These two are not the same person, they are whole continents apart.

http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Fema...quest/24023716

http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Fema...-eyes/23923198

I've seen the first, but not the second. Although I did get a date set with another girl that the blonde Jen was working with last summer. Backed out when the scheduling went flakey and I learned from a brief phone conversation that both were working with a pimp pretty tightly.

No offense intended on the Panacea side. It's not your thing, and that is also cool. I know I am looking for some experiences that not all mongers are. But I do have a soft side for that place because they offer something I really like. It's a massage parlor that is clean (doesn't smell musty with crappy falling apart walls and nasty carpet), the girls are consistent in appearance and service (not the late 30's to mid 50's girls like you find in so many other spots), and they never pester over upselling or tips (just apply a consistent suggestion). Their tip expectations have been consistent (other than the recent shift to laying the tip out first) for the years I have been frequenting them. The cruxt of your issue seems to be that this business just doesn't offer what you are looking for. So I can see why you don't go there. I just don't understand the venom for them.

I don't go to AMPs or trashy MPs because I don't like their game. But I understand why lots of guys do like that deal, and I don't see a need to build up a lot of negative energy and trash places that I don't care for. Maybe if we all tipped her like a Panacea girl she could afford a trip to the dentist. If you like her get another appointment and look her over real close for Tracks and Teeth .

Happy hunting!

I'm still not confused, the top one Burnette Jen is missing teeth too. Maybe some mongers miss the details and maybe she doesn't smile for everyone. But if I wrote a raving review and there was this simple flaw of missing top teeth on both sides of her mouth. Possibly indicating a bad habbit. I would have said can't get enough of this chick but she is missing teeth incase anyone cares. Trackmarks and missing Teeth. If you have another appointment with her please give us an updated review. I think a couple things were left out. Or maybe I have DKS and I Don't know Shit about this chick or anything else either.


The Panacea thing is just because they have a policy about tipping that perpetuates GPS by demanding the tip to match the door fee. Keep going there and paying it their way and all MP's will jump on the GPS band wagon. Boycott it and it stops at Panacea! It's not negativity it's preventing a cancer from spreading through our GR MP's that are already lacking in service by shorting time and lousy half hated massages. There is a problem at all of them, Panacea girls still want to get paid for it up front. What if all the MP's did the same?

[Tom70]

I'm not confused, just wondering why anyone would rave about a provider that is missing teeth and gives a half assed quicky BJ. Backpage advertiser reviews 3/2/16, post #8873.

Ah, I get it now. Benz, none of us know the whole scene in GR, so it's cool. You mistook the brunette Jen that I was posting about for the blonde Jen. These two are not the same person, they are whole continents apart.

http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Fema...quest/24023716

http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Fema...-eyes/23923198

I've seen the first, but not the second. Although I did get a date set with another girl that the blonde Jen was working with last summer. Backed out when the scheduling went flakey and I learned from a brief phone conversation that both were working with a pimp pretty tightly.

And stuff they won't do? They will all do it eventually, they are in this hobby too. They just think theirs is golden and worth more than I'm will to spend on an escort. So I won't pay $40 for a HJ, I can do that myself.

No offense intended on the Panacea side. It's not your thing, and that is also cool. I know I am looking for some experiences that not all mongers are. But I do have a soft side for that place because they offer something I really like. It's a massage parlor that is clean (doesn't smell musty with crappy falling apart walls and nasty carpet), the girls are consistent in appearance and service (not the late 30's to mid 50's girls like you find in so many other spots), and they never pester over upselling or tips (just apply a consistent suggestion). Their tip expectations have been consistent (other than the recent shift to laying the tip out first) for the years I have been frequenting them. The cruxt of your issue seems to be that this business just doesn't offer what you are looking for. So I can see why you don't go there. I just don't understand the venom for them.

I don't go to AMPs or trashy MPs because I don't like their game. But I understand why lots of guys do like that deal, and I don't see a need to build up a lot of negative energy and trash places that I don't care for.

Happy hunting!

[Monger01]

What they get:

2 girls from Pacific I've known for some time told me they get a cut of the door fee but all their tips are theirs to keep.
I believe them both not because I trust them but because if they intend to lie it would benefit them ore making me believe they share tips so I'd tip more.

What I tip:
20 for mediocre or less massage with below avg. HE.
30-40 for good to great massage WITH good to great HE. Nude and at least me touching tits minimum.
I've tipped 60 only a few times for the above when I take too long to finish. I'm older, it happens. I appreciate the extra effort.
Anything higher is for BBBJ or FS. It's happened a few times with a few girls at MPs but is rare as we know.

I don't care if its hh or hour frankly. Same tip structure.

[Benz1]

All? Maybe you misread me, I was talking about the spot I know well. But like you said, you are looking for BBBJCIM w / s, and they don't do that, so you don't go there. More power to yuh. To each his own, cause not everyone is you after all.

On the second bit, you got me. No clue who wrote that and who you have me confused with.

I'm on the anti-GPS bandwagon, big time. That's why is asked about it. But I'm also anti-WSTDD (wanting shit they don't do). I find my experiences are much less frustrating than those with WSTDD syndrome.

Happy hunting.

I'm not confused, just wondering why anyone would rave about a provider that is missing teeth and gives a half assed quicky BJ. Backpage advertiser reviews 3/2/16, post #8873.

And stuff they won't do? They will all do it eventually, they are in this hobby too. They just think theirs is golden and worth more than I'm will to spend on an escort. So I won't pay $40 for a HJ, I can do that myself.

[Tom70]

Some believe what they're told by all the MP girls, we don't get shit from the door fee. Others write rave reviews about a spinner that is missing teeth and doesn't know shit about swallowing.

All? Maybe you misread me, I was talking about the spot I know well. But like you said, you are looking for BBBJCIM w / s, and they don't do that, so you don't go there. More power to yuh. To each his own, cause not everyone is you after all.

On the second bit, you got me. No clue who wrote that and who you have me confused with.

I'm on the anti-GPS bandwagon, big time. That's why is asked about it. But I'm also anti-WSTDD (wanting shit they don't do). I find my experiences are much less frustrating than those with WSTDD syndrome.

Happy hunting.

[Donntee]

Well said Charlie,
I believe all mongers should unite against GPS

I'll make the t-shirts and coffee mugs!

[Benz1]

I think that's an ingredient in the dish, but not the actual reason. Waiters are paid below minimum wage due to expected tipping. In large parties, a gratuity of 20% will be added on automatically. 20% isn't a tip (or 15% if you're a senior; will not be liked so much, but understood by most). It, 20%, is for "par" service and not really a tip -- but more like the added expected fee for service, as opposed to take out.

- Bad service brings it from 20% to 15%.

- Really bad service that ya rarely see and is solely on the weight of the waiter, and with a bad attitude, it goes down to 10%.

- Jaw-dropping WTF that would make any non-picky person not go there again, is around 0%.

The actual "tipping" in restaurants is when you go over 20%. The 20% by itself is expected-gratuity.

For massage parlors, it's not a commonly understood industry. 40/20, 60/40 is the expected price+"par" gratuity (which includes a mechanical, clothed HE). Anything more than that is the true "tip".

- 40/40 can easily be had if it was a good half hour going the Whole half hour w / HE and no rush.

- Other tips, like 60/60 or 40/50 or 40/60 or 60/80 is how much more they go beyond just a mechanical, fully clothed HE.

I agree that some people who tip as if they're getting a BBBJCIM when all they're getting is a mechanical fully clothed HE by a gal who's merely kinda cute for her age -- has made the parlors more GPS on their expectations, thus prices. I can understand willing to pay more than for an escort, because at a parlor you run no risk of LE, pimps, dungeons in grandma's basement to enter, etc. But one shouldn't be overpaying parlors, because it's unnecessary + ends up not being good for the industry in the long run, when they think they can get that out of everyone else and extra GPS sets in.

Well said Charlie,
I believe all mongers should unite against GPS

[Benz1]

Oh Snap! You busted me. I'm naive. Next thing you know, I'll be stating naiveties about the house getting 100% of the door fee. I'll try to cut back on using metaphors, since I am unable to make a point that's up to your standards. I'd like to apologize to the entire USA Monger community for wasting bandwidth. I didn't realize until just now that I don't know shit.

Please don't read any of my previous or future posts guys! Thank you.

NJ.

From the Don't Know Shit department, some mongers don't know that they Don't Know Shit.

Some believe what they're told by all the MP girls, we don't get shit from the door fee. Others write rave reviews about a spinner that is missing teeth and doesn't know shit about swallowing. I had a real hard time suppressing my opinion on that review. It begs the question, what is it about providers that are missing their top front teeth that attracts you to them? Their smile? It can't be because she knows how to give a good BJ.

If it were up to me I would definitely have them swish and swallow after I spray their tonsils.

Maybe I just don't know shit because I would rather pay for a BBBJ than a HJ anyday.

I'm with NJ, sorry if I have misslead anybody to believe that I know shit.

[NoseJelly]

You do not understand why there is tipping in the food service industry. It is because they are serving you food, which you consume. Hence you bribe them not to mess with your food. And if you do not tip them, just like mongers and elephants, servers never forget. If you think you are tipping for service, you are truly naive.

Oh Snap! You busted me. I'm naive. Next thing you know, I'll be stating naiveties about the house getting 100% of the door fee. I'll try to cut back on using metaphors, since I am unable to make a point that's up to your standards. I'd like to apologize to the entire USA Monger community for wasting bandwidth. I didn't realize until just now that I don't know shit.

Please don't read any of my previous or future posts guys! Thank you.

NJ.

[Charlie441]

You do not understand why there is tipping in the food service industry. It is because they are serving you food, which you consume. Hence you bribe them not to mess with your food. And if you do not tip them, just like mongers and elephants, servers never forget. If you think you are tipping for service, you are truly naive.

I think that's an ingredient in the dish, but not the actual reason. Waiters are paid below minimum wage due to expected tipping. In large parties, a gratuity of 20% will be added on automatically. 20% isn't a tip (or 15% if you're a senior; will not be liked so much, but understood by most). It, 20%, is for "par" service and not really a tip -- but more like the added expected fee for service, as opposed to take out.

- Bad service brings it from 20% to 15%.

- Really bad service that ya rarely see and is solely on the weight of the waiter, and with a bad attitude, it goes down to 10%.

- Jaw-dropping WTF that would make any non-picky person not go there again, is around 0%.

The actual "tipping" in restaurants is when you go over 20%. The 20% by itself is expected-gratuity.

For massage parlors, it's not a commonly understood industry. 40/20, 60/40 is the expected price+"par" gratuity (which includes a mechanical, clothed HE). Anything more than that is the true "tip".

- 40/40 can easily be had if it was a good half hour going the Whole half hour w / HE and no rush.

- Other tips, like 60/60 or 40/50 or 40/60 or 60/80 is how much more they go beyond just a mechanical, fully clothed HE.

I agree that some people who tip as if they're getting a BBBJCIM when all they're getting is a mechanical fully clothed HE by a gal who's merely kinda cute for her age -- has made the parlors more GPS on their expectations, thus prices. I can understand willing to pay more than for an escort, because at a parlor you run no risk of LE, pimps, dungeons in grandma's basement to enter, etc. But one shouldn't be overpaying parlors, because it's unnecessary + ends up not being good for the industry in the long run, when they think they can get that out of everyone else and extra GPS sets in.