Strip Club Reports

[FourStroke]

I am a GR guy that visits the Detroit area about once a month. I have dropped about 1. 5 K in H8S each year for the last five years, I'm no Incognito but I was as much of a regular as I could be. I was in the habit of visiting with Deanna each time I went over there, we get along great and I like her S&F program. I stopped in a while back and got the two drink see-Block going into VIP. Told her sorry, I'm not paying it. I sent her a text asking her to let me know if they drop the policy, she said that she has lost a few regulars. I can't believe it is working out for them.

Am I reading that right, $150,000 each year?

[WaltK]

SC taxes do suck but its still better then living in a city that doesn't allow extras. Anyone been to Grand Rapids lately?

I am a GR guy that visits the Detroit area about once a month. I have dropped about 1. 5 K in H8S each year for the last five years, I'm no Incognito but I was as much of a regular as I could be. I was in the habit of visiting with Deanna each time I went over there, we get along great and I like her S&F program. I stopped in a while back and got the two drink see-Block going into VIP. Told her sorry, I'm not paying it. I sent her a text asking her to let me know if they drop the policy, she said that she has lost a few regulars. I can't believe it is working out for them.

[DutchCourage3]

I tried heading up there before I read all the posts you made and turned around when I asked the bouncer what the deal was and he said two drink minimum. I have also turned around and left at the places where they try forcing you to take valet or pay to park. I don't have time for that shit. A couple nights of people protesting the clubs would change their tunes. Has anyone tried calling and talking to the owners or manager?

Yes, they are referring to $10 a dance in the VIP. H8's, H8 N and Bogart's do it on different days. To be honest, I have no clue which days are $10 dance nights, because I always negotiate a standard price, regardless of what night it is. Quite honestly, with my semi-regular / regular girls, it goes without even saying a price. We both know what the deal is and just go back and take care of business. Apparently though, Wednesday is $10 dance night at H8's.

[Pussylicker2]

The older waitress (mom) walks by..., looks at me, leans back "If a guy is too cheap to buy another drink on $10 dance night, I don't know what to tell ya" and walks on.

"Last night, Kayla didn't make her money off of me and tonight, you didn't. Things have to change up there".

If a waitress said that about me, I'd say "I'm going somewhere where I don't get insulted" and leave. And I wouldn't feel too sorry for Kayla, she could have bought your second drink herself.

A good strategy for us on the forum might be to all flat refuse to buy the second drink, but ask the dancer if she wants to buy it. If she doesn't, just leave, and say "This is the only club in Detroit that does this, I'm going somewhere else".

If the dancer does pay for the drink, get a bottled water and don't open it. The dancer can use it as part of her tip-out. Wouldn't that hack off the manager.

In defense of the bar, they might have big expenses in bribing the powers that be to be allowed to operate like they do. I wouldn't mind if they raised the VIP fee to 20, but the 2 drink crap is quite petty.

[FourStroke]

Well guys, I'm just going to tell you, I went back up there tonight and I guess you could say the story gets even more entertaining. To start, Nate wasn't working tonight. Yesterday, during the argument over the drin, at one point, I thought maybe the two drink rule where the customer themselves had to buy and drink two drinks themselves was a misunderstanding. NOPE, not at all. I thought there wouldn't be a problem since he wasn't working but I was wrong.

Now, I see Sky on a semi regular basis. I had texted her through the day earlier, telling her what had happened the previous night, so she was aware of the situation. It was late, I was bored and thought "fuck it", I'll just go up there and see what's going on. I walk in and I think there was 7 or 8 girls working, which is a huge difference from last Wednesday, when there were more like 15. No Kayla tonight though. There's not many guys in the bar but I look over and see Sky sitting andtalking to someone. He looks interested in her and it seems like they might be going in the back. I just say hello as I pass by, sit down and order my drink.

Well, about ten minutes later, I see the guy get up and walk with her toward the back room. He gets to the point to buy his bracelet, turns around without going back, walks back to the bar and finishes what's left of his beer and leaves. A few minutes later, she comes down to sit with me, obviously upset. I've never seen her so down before. Now, I'm not going to get into the personal details of her life, so all I'm going to say is that she has things going on to where she needs money. Anyway, as we're talking, I asked what happened with the other guy. She said, they told him he had to buy a second drink to go back and he didn't want too, so he left. She goes on to tell me that the same thing happened to her twice the night before. So, there's no doubt that the two drink minimum is an issue with a lot of guys and the girls are suffering for it. Well, she's so down at this point, it looks like she's on the verge of tears. She tells me that she didn't make anything the night before and hadn't gone back tonight either. About this time, the waitress comes around and asks if we need anything. Sky and I talk enough to where I don't mind buying her a drink and since she was so down, I bought her one.

Sky is always a fun experience and I was back and forth about whether I was going to go in the back tonight when I went up there. Between her being so down (yes, I kinda felt sorry for her) and me, being the walking hormone that I am, I was ready to fuck, so I told her we could go to the back and asked if the two drink minimum was an issue. She said just tell the waitress and VIP guy that you ordered two and I took a sip of one. Ok, no problem. I go to the bathroom to wash my hands and come back out and Sky tells me, the waitress already told her mom (the other waitress) that I'd just bought one for myself, so I'd have to buy another. Talk about eyebrow raising, mine was.

Now, you might think that's the end of it but it continues to get better yet. So, another waitress comes back with her shot tray and asks if I want to buy one. So, we ask, almost simultaneously, if that shot covers the second drink for me. The answer: Nope! Apparently, shots bought from the shot tray don't count toward your second drink either. I was then told for a shot to count as my second drink, I had to order it from the bar AND it had to be FOR ME. Well, I'd had enough. I said that I wasn't going to do that. I told Sky that it was the principal of it and that I just wasn't doing it. Just after I told her this, insult was added to injury. The older waitress (mom) walks by, looks at me, leans back to Sky and says "If a guy is too cheap to buy another drink on $10 dance night, I don't know what to tell ya" and walks on. I tell Sky that I'm going to go and I'll talk to her later. At that point, I stand up, walk out of the bar and come home.

When I got home, I texted her back and said "I'm sorry about that. I really am but at this point, it's just the principle of the way they're doing things. It's certainly not helping the bar and it's certainly not helping the girls. Then, I went on to tell her "Last night, Kayla didn't make her money off of me and tonight, you didn't. Things have to change up there".

As it stands, Sky lost two guys last night because of this bullshit and at least two tonight because of it. I left around 12:30, so maybe she had time to lose another guy before closing time.

I guess you could say, to my benefit, these two nights have "saved" me enough (as in not spending my monger money on girls that are there) to go see my ATF without digging deeper into my funds. It looks like I'm going to be taking a ride out to see her next week, since I found out that she was out of town at the moment. Based on this and the fact that I still have a few days off for vacation, I'm sure I'll be hitting the clubs again this weekend. I can't say that I won't visit H8's for social activity but if I do, it's quite obvious that I'm not going to be going to the VIP room as things stand. My weekend mongering adventures will likely include H8 N, Bogart's or the Criket. At least at those clubs, I don't need a rulebook and drink chalkboard before I can go into the VIP.

There's no way this isn't hurting the club, because they're not getting their extra cash from the girls going in the back but in truth, it's the girls that are suffering the most. The problem is that even though the back rooms are nicer now, if the girls aren't making their money, they have no choice but to quit or go to work elsewhere. When girls start leaving, especially the attractive ones, guys stop coming in and then, there's no incentive for girls to come back or new girls to come in. Why would they? Word spreads fast, especially among strippers.

Now, you can agree or disagree but all of this has a cascade effect and all of that is stemming from the fact that they're trying to squeeze out one extra drink per customer. As we all can see, that one extra drink is costing them a whole lot more than they're making off of the guys who do buy it. As it stands, things are moving back to the way it was two or three years ago. A dead bar with 3 or 4 unattractive women working the night shift.

Ok, so that's my mini novel or do I call it a blog at this point? For those of you who follow my posts, I hope you're find this all very interesting. Happy Mongering!

What the customers and dancers need to start doing is seeing each other outside the club.

[FourStroke]

Damn! This was some good reading (LOL)! But it's still sad to see a club with its head up its azz.

So, I'll bite. What the heck is $10 dance night, as I thought most clubs are $10 a dance on the main floor? Are they referring to $10 a dance in VIP?

Most clubs are 25 a song now.

[FourStroke]

Yes, they are referring to $10 a dance in the VIP. H8's, H8 N and Bogart's do it on different days. To be honest, I have no clue which days are $10 dance nights, because I always negotiate a standard price, regardless of what night it is. Quite honestly, with my semi-regular / regular girls, it goes without even saying a price. We both know what the deal is and just go back and take care of business. Apparently though, Wednesday is $10 dance night at H8's.

Very well put. I'm there for extras, it wouldn't matter if it was dollar dance night LOL.

[Costanza]

How do you know it's the same Paris MitcheyB1 was posting about, Paris is kind of a common stripper name.

It is almost certainly the same Paris. Very well known at BT's. The timeframe is the same; Club is the same; description of her is the same; being greek-friendly (and 'friendly' is an understatement! She lives in Allen Park. The question and answer was also posted on another site.

[Incognito1234]

Damn! This was some good reading (LOL)! But it's still sad to see a club with its head up its azz.

So, I'll bite. What the heck is $10 dance night, as I thought most clubs are $10 a dance on the main floor? Are they referring to $10 a dance in VIP?

Yes, they are referring to $10 a dance in the VIP. H8's, H8 N and Bogart's do it on different days. To be honest, I have no clue which days are $10 dance nights, because I always negotiate a standard price, regardless of what night it is. Quite honestly, with my semi-regular / regular girls, it goes without even saying a price. We both know what the deal is and just go back and take care of business. Apparently though, Wednesday is $10 dance night at H8's.

[Wleakr]

The older waitress (mom) walks by, looks at me, leans back to Sky and says "If a guy is too cheap to buy another drink on $10 dance night, I don't know what to tell ya" and walks on.

Damn! This was some good reading (LOL)! But it's still sad to see a club with its head up its azz.

So, I'll bite. What the heck is $10 dance night, as I thought most clubs are $10 a dance on the main floor? Are they referring to $10 a dance in VIP?

[Incognito1234]

Well guys, I'm just going to tell you, I went back up there tonight and I guess you could say the story gets even more entertaining. To start, Nate wasn't working tonight. Yesterday, during the argument over the drin, at one point, I thought maybe the two drink rule where the customer themselves had to buy and drink two drinks themselves was a misunderstanding. NOPE, not at all. I thought there wouldn't be a problem since he wasn't working but I was wrong.

Now, I see Sky on a semi regular basis. I had texted her through the day earlier, telling her what had happened the previous night, so she was aware of the situation. It was late, I was bored and thought "fuck it", I'll just go up there and see what's going on. I walk in and I think there was 7 or 8 girls working, which is a huge difference from last Wednesday, when there were more like 15. No Kayla tonight though. There's not many guys in the bar but I look over and see Sky sitting andtalking to someone. He looks interested in her and it seems like they might be going in the back. I just say hello as I pass by, sit down and order my drink.

Well, about ten minutes later, I see the guy get up and walk with her toward the back room. He gets to the point to buy his bracelet, turns around without going back, walks back to the bar and finishes what's left of his beer and leaves. A few minutes later, she comes down to sit with me, obviously upset. I've never seen her so down before. Now, I'm not going to get into the personal details of her life, so all I'm going to say is that she has things going on to where she needs money. Anyway, as we're talking, I asked what happened with the other guy. She said, they told him he had to buy a second drink to go back and he didn't want too, so he left. She goes on to tell me that the same thing happened to her twice the night before. So, there's no doubt that the two drink minimum is an issue with a lot of guys and the girls are suffering for it. Well, she's so down at this point, it looks like she's on the verge of tears. She tells me that she didn't make anything the night before and hadn't gone back tonight either. About this time, the waitress comes around and asks if we need anything. Sky and I talk enough to where I don't mind buying her a drink and since she was so down, I bought her one.

Sky is always a fun experience and I was back and forth about whether I was going to go in the back tonight when I went up there. Between her being so down (yes, I kinda felt sorry for her) and me, being the walking hormone that I am, I was ready to fuck, so I told her we could go to the back and asked if the two drink minimum was an issue. She said just tell the waitress and VIP guy that you ordered two and I took a sip of one. Ok, no problem. I go to the bathroom to wash my hands and come back out and Sky tells me, the waitress already told her mom (the other waitress) that I'd just bought one for myself, so I'd have to buy another. Talk about eyebrow raising, mine was.

Now, you might think that's the end of it but it continues to get better yet. So, another waitress comes back with her shot tray and asks if I want to buy one. So, we ask, almost simultaneously, if that shot covers the second drink for me. The answer: Nope! Apparently, shots bought from the shot tray don't count toward your second drink either. I was then told for a shot to count as my second drink, I had to order it from the bar AND it had to be FOR ME. Well, I'd had enough. I said that I wasn't going to do that. I told Sky that it was the principal of it and that I just wasn't doing it. Just after I told her this, insult was added to injury. The older waitress (mom) walks by, looks at me, leans back to Sky and says "If a guy is too cheap to buy another drink on $10 dance night, I don't know what to tell ya" and walks on. I tell Sky that I'm going to go and I'll talk to her later. At that point, I stand up, walk out of the bar and come home.

When I got home, I texted her back and said "I'm sorry about that. I really am but at this point, it's just the principle of the way they're doing things. It's certainly not helping the bar and it's certainly not helping the girls. Then, I went on to tell her "Last night, Kayla didn't make her money off of me and tonight, you didn't. Things have to change up there".

As it stands, Sky lost two guys last night because of this bullshit and at least two tonight because of it. I left around 12:30, so maybe she had time to lose another guy before closing time.

I guess you could say, to my benefit, these two nights have "saved" me enough (as in not spending my monger money on girls that are there) to go see my ATF without digging deeper into my funds. It looks like I'm going to be taking a ride out to see her next week, since I found out that she was out of town at the moment. Based on this and the fact that I still have a few days off for vacation, I'm sure I'll be hitting the clubs again this weekend. I can't say that I won't visit H8's for social activity but if I do, it's quite obvious that I'm not going to be going to the VIP room as things stand. My weekend mongering adventures will likely include H8 N, Bogart's or the Criket. At least at those clubs, I don't need a rulebook and drink chalkboard before I can go into the VIP.

There's no way this isn't hurting the club, because they're not getting their extra cash from the girls going in the back but in truth, it's the girls that are suffering the most. The problem is that even though the back rooms are nicer now, if the girls aren't making their money, they have no choice but to quit or go to work elsewhere. When girls start leaving, especially the attractive ones, guys stop coming in and then, there's no incentive for girls to come back or new girls to come in. Why would they? Word spreads fast, especially among strippers.

Now, you can agree or disagree but all of this has a cascade effect and all of that is stemming from the fact that they're trying to squeeze out one extra drink per customer. As we all can see, that one extra drink is costing them a whole lot more than they're making off of the guys who do buy it. As it stands, things are moving back to the way it was two or three years ago. A dead bar with 3 or 4 unattractive women working the night shift.

Ok, so that's my mini novel or do I call it a blog at this point? For those of you who follow my posts, I hope you're find this all very interesting. Happy Mongering!

[Incognito1234]

I have nothing for that (LOL)! I didn't pick that up in your original account. It seemed like he asked the question and then you stated you had 1 and got her 2. But I'm guessing you released that info after being grilled?

So did he ask about your drinks, you said "yes" and then he called you out that you didn't? At which point you went into the "I had 1, I bought her 2" line? Or did the girl say something that called attention?

I'm just throwing it out there, because in my reasoning, he could only be asking because he has no idea, and if you're both saying "yes" then he would have to go to a 3rd option (waitress or bartender) to try to refute what you say (although the girl vouching should be enough).

Still, he shouldn't have asked anyway. Just took the VIP fee and let ya'll handle business.

I did say, yes that I got one and got her two. The reason I said that it because I thought that I'd bought the required two drink minimum. I've never heard of anything so absurd that I had to personally drink two drinks myself to meet the required minimum to go in the back, regardless of how many were bought for anyone else. How crazy is that?

The other thing was that I was ten feet or less from where he was sitting, so he could see everything very well. I have a tendency to sit closer to the VIP area, because that's where the TV's are closest and I'm slightly near sighted. Additionally, if there's someone I want to see and she's roaming around, sooner or later she comes that way to go to the VIP or bathroom anyway. As a side note, another added bonus to sitting by the TVs is that when some really horrid looking girls are dancing, I'd rather try to lip read Sportscenter than to watch them dance.

For added comedy, when I was drinking my first drink and was about halfway through it, the waitress came over to pick up some mint wrappers and a napkin and as she was reaching to grab them, she knocked my drink over. Of course, she replaced it. So, I guess that counts as the bar buying me one too? I pay for one, they knock it over and pay for the second one, then I buy Kayla two. How many paid drinks does that count for?

I agree. He should have just let it go, especially with so little time left in the night.

[Wleakr]

I told him "Yes" and she told him "Yes" and that still wasn't good enough. He pushed the issue from there.

I have nothing for that (LOL)! I didn't pick that up in your original account. It seemed like he asked the question and then you stated you had 1 and got her 2. But I'm guessing you released that info after being grilled?

So did he ask about your drinks, you said "yes" and then he called you out that you didn't? At which point you went into the "I had 1, I bought her 2" line? Or did the girl say something that called attention?

I'm just throwing it out there, because in my reasoning, he could only be asking because he has no idea, and if you're both saying "yes" then he would have to go to a 3rd option (waitress or bartender) to try to refute what you say (although the girl vouching should be enough).

Still, he shouldn't have asked anyway. Just took the VIP fee and let ya'll handle business.

[Incognito1234]

Can't agree with the "at least he got his $20 back" comment. There was no service rendered (VIP access), so he had no right to keep it. Even if was going to be an azz, he would still have to give him $10 in return.

Also, can't say the 2 drink policy isn't working either. Now a lot of clubs "say" they have a 2 drink policy. Most don't enforce it, because most aren't willing to spend enough for the employees needed to keep track of it. Even for the ones that tried, I'd make a game of it and move to different areas of the club, as clubs with waitresses tend to work certain sides. At the end of it all, no one knows what you had, which is why VIP guy / mgr had to even ask "did you have your 2 drinks". The answer to give is "yes", which is all they want to hear and keep it moving.

Is this 2 drink policy something new? I haven't been there (H8 N) since late February night.

At H8N, there is no minimum drink policy. Only H8S has started a two drink minimum.

[Incognito1234]

Can't agree with the "at least he got his $20 back" comment. There was no service rendered (VIP access), so he had no right to keep it. Even if was going to be an azz, he would still have to give him $10 in return.

Also, can't say the 2 drink policy isn't working either. Now a lot of clubs "say" they have a 2 drink policy. Most don't enforce it, because most aren't willing to spend enough for the employees needed to keep track of it. Even for the ones that tried, I'd make a game of it and move to different areas of the club, as clubs with waitresses tend to work certain sides. At the end of it all, no one knows what you had, which is why VIP guy / mgr had to even ask "did you have your 2 drinks". The answer to give is "yes", which is all they want to hear and keep it moving.

I told him "Yes" and she told him "Yes" and that still wasn't good enough. He pushed the issue from there.